O'Connell: Information man

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Nothing earth shattering but interesting piece by Lombardi today:
DMN: Jets, ?Skins add information men | National Football Post

INFORMATION MEN

The Jets traded for Kevin O’Connell (have you ever seen a team more obsessed with the Patriots than the Jets?), and the ‘Skins signed former Giants quarterback Andre Woodson, so now both players will face their former teams in Week 1 (Woodson) and Week 2 (O’Connell) of the season. Does this mean the new teams will have insight and privileged information coming from the two quarterbacks? Yes, they’ll know all the calls and all the checks, and they’ll know the philosophy behind the schemes. But will it help their new teams win? In my mind, knowing what will happen and preventing it from happening are two different things.

The Jets have had a personnel obsession with the Patriots, often claiming players the Pats let go, but rarely do those players make significant contributions in helping the Jets win. Many thought it was because former Jets coach Eric Mangini knew the Patriots players who were available, so it was a natural process. But the obsession has not ended, as evidenced by some recent claims. Now, the Jets are carrying four quarterbacks on their roster. With the exception of starter Mark Sanchez, carrying three backups fits perfectly with the John Madden creed: “When you have a lot of something, you got nothing.” You have to wonder what the Jets’ real motivation is in acquiring O’Connell.

Will Andre Woodson and Kevin O'Connell provide their new teams with an edge against their former clubs?
The last thing they need is a another weak-armed quarterback who’s best suited to play the shotgun and didn’t look good in any preseason game. The Jets will claim they had a high grade on O’Connell coming out of college, so it made sense to them to make the trade. But does this make sense at a time when you have two players suspended for the opening game? This means you roster is light on kicking game players and could use a little help. I’m not against the trade for O’Connell, but what I don’t understand is why a team would carry three quarterbacks with very little game experience. Isn’t two enough? Something seems a little fishy here.

The Lions put in a claim for Kevin O’Connell knowing two things: One, they really didn’t want him, and two, they knew that among the Jets, Browns and Broncos, one of those teams would be willing to give them a late draft choice. Clearly, the Jets, Browns and now the Broncos are very predictable with their personnel acumen.

So can O’Connell help the Jets learn more about the Patriots’ personnel and scheme? I’m not sure he can offer any more than former Patriots coach Brian Daboll could during his stint with the Jets. O’Connell can help Jets coach Rex Ryan understand their protection patterns and how they might block certain looks, but that information is nothing that Ryan or Mike Pettine, the defensive coordinator, can’t determine off game tape. So the claiming of O’Connell must be talented related or obsession related, but not insider information related.
 
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I don't see him as a "weak armed QB." He had arm strength, but was inaccurate and didn't appear to be learning the system well.
 

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They asked BB about this on WEEI today and he said pretty much the same thing. If you study tape you know what's coming and the few wrinkles they might unmask (balanced against all the other plays to be made) doesn't warrant a roster spot for information gathering when those are so valuable.
 

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Unless their coaches are so freakin' dumb they NEED our warmed over QBs to help them...

And it's not like O'Connell understood the offense anyway.
 

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They asked BB about this on WEEI today and he said pretty much the same thing. If you study tape you know what's coming and the few wrinkles they might unmask (balanced against all the other plays to be made) doesn't warrant a roster spot for information gathering when those are so valuable.

It doesn't if you're BB... it might if you're a fathead shhh for brains like Rex Ryan.
 

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I hope the pats had O'Connell running wildcat in the preseason. Then the Jets will gameplan for it!

I think by now, if the Jets don't know what is coming, they never will.
 

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I hope the pats had O'Connell running wildcat in the preseason. Then the Jets will gameplan for it!

I think by now, if the Jets don't know what is coming, they never will.

I think that that is a VERY fair statement.

I also think the Jets will handily start the season at 0-5 .. :cool:
 

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The Lions put in a claim for Kevin O’Connell knowing two things: One, they really didn’t want him, and two, they knew that among the Jets, Browns and Broncos, one of those teams would be willing to give them a late draft choice. Clearly, the Jets, Browns and now the Broncos are very predictable with their personnel acumen.




That paragraph indicates to me that the Lions are smarter than the Jets.
 

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They asked BB about this on WEEI today and he said pretty much the same thing. If you study tape you know what's coming and the few wrinkles they might unmask (balanced against all the other plays to be made) doesn't warrant a roster spot for information gathering when those are so valuable.

That kind of insight and thinking is probably beyond Wrecks' IQ level.
 

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The Lions put in a claim for Kevin O’Connell knowing two things: One, they really didn’t want him, and two, they knew that among the Jets, Browns and Broncos, one of those teams would be willing to give them a late draft choice. Clearly, the Jets, Browns and now the Broncos are very predictable with their personnel acumen.

BTW . . . anyone else think that the rule should be changed to the PS signing rule? [If you sign a player off someone else's practice squad, you have to keep that player on your 53-man roster for a minimum of three weeks.]
 
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