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Next year's schedule is brutal - has BB even looked at it?

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is this what you call objective????

That IS objective, and if you want to put your money where your "objective" mouth is let me know. Closer to 12-4 than 8-8 means 10-6 is a push, 9-7 or worse you win and 11-5 or better I win.

Put up or shut up
 
do you think the 2010 schedule is tougher than 2009?

I never said anything about number of wins......

saying next year's schedule is tougher is just as valid as saying that signing bodden was a good thing.....are we supposed to be objective, or are we just supposed to think of beautiful places?

OK. That's a question I can understand.

My answer is simple. The schedule looks tough on paper at this time.

The right comparison is to try to put myself back in March, 2009, and ask myself whether the 2010 schedule looks tougher to me now than the 2009 schedule did at that time, because that is the only relevant comparison.

The division looks just a little tougher this year. The Jets have gotten better, but I think the Bills have gone backwards and the Dolphins are stuck in the water, maybe moving backwards. In 2009, I'd have thought the Dolphins had gotten better, that the Jets were a big unknown w a new HC and QB and that the Bills were probably about the same, despite the addition of TO. But, I'm really not sold on the Sanchize, I think they'll miss Washington, might be a little better with Cromartie if he cleans up his act. But all in all, not enough to change how I'd view the outcome of six games vs. a year ago.

Of the non division teams, we got the Ravens and Colts again. The Ravens are getting better and embarrassed us in the Playoffs; but that could motivate us esp early on in the season. The Colts, though, I think are going to have a rough time next year and we get both the Ravens and Colts at home. So, I have a hard time saying 0--2 there.

Going into last season, JAX and TEN and ATL looked like tough games. Didn't turn out that way. So, will GBP and MIN and CHI be tough? Sure, but who knows how any of those teams will be playing when we meet them. In other words, I'm conceding nothing there, but it could be 0--3 as well as 3--0. I have no freakin' idea this far out.

I was afraid of Denver going into last season and I'm afraid of SDG away this year as well. But it will all depend on "which San Diego" shows up when we play them, just ask the Jests.

Steelers? Lots of uncertainty surrounding Big Ben IMO and they didn't do too well last year. How the heck am I supposed to know how they'll be playing when we meet them.

Lions? Easy to write off, but ya never know. We get em away. Maybe on Thanksgiving. Could be a statement game for them.

Cleveland? Away. Depends on when we play them and how they're coming together. I was more worried about Carolina last year. Still. What do we know now?

Most importantly. New England.

Too soon to tell, but a young team in many areas starting to get it together. Secondary is coming together. Wilfork is in the House and making field leader like noises. Tommy will come into the year with a chip on his shoulder after the Peyton talk cum bust. Welker's a big, big question mark. LB? Pass rush? Another WR? Big question marks, but I'm willing to wait and see how things move.

So, no "beautiful places," but a few bright spots, a few clouds and a long way to go.

Now, you be as specific back to me so I don't feel I wasted my time writing that.
 
That IS objective, and if you want to put your money where your "objective" mouth is let me know. Closer to 12-4 than 8-8 means 10-6 is a push, 9-7 or worse you win and 11-5 or better I win.

Put up or shut up

what's the vegas over/under right now for the pats? I might have to take you up on that.

it is no more objective the the OP
 
what's the vegas over/under right now for the pats? I might have to take you up on that.

it is no more objective the the OP

Don't ask me anything, Put up or SHUT up.

If my statement was NOT objective, then that means the odds are in your favor. If the odds AREN'T in your favor, then that means you are not objective.

So once again, put up... or SHUT UP.
 
OK. That's a question I can understand.

My answer is simple. The schedule looks tough on paper at this time.

The right comparison is to try to put myself back in March, 2009, and ask myself whether the 2010 schedule looks tougher to me now than the 2009 schedule did at that time, because that is the only relevant comparison.

The division looks just a little tougher this year. The Jets have gotten better, but I think the Bills have gone backwards and the Dolphins are stuck in the water, maybe moving backwards. In 2009, I'd have thought the Dolphins had gotten better, that the Jets were a big unknown w a new HC and QB and that the Bills were probably about the same, despite the addition of TO. But, I'm really not sold on the Sanchize, I think they'll miss Washington, might be a little better with Cromartie if he cleans up his act. But all in all, not enough to change how I'd view the outcome of six games vs. a year ago.

Of the non division teams, we got the Ravens and Colts again. The Ravens are getting better and embarrassed us in the Playoffs; but that could motivate us esp early on in the season. The Colts, though, I think are going to have a rough time next year and we get both the Ravens and Colts at home. So, I have a hard time saying 0--2 there.

Going into last season, JAX and TEN and ATL looked like tough games. Didn't turn out that way. So, will GBP and MIN and CHI be tough? Sure, but who knows how any of those teams will be playing when we meet them. In other words, I'm conceding nothing there, but it could be 0--3 as well as 3--0. I have no freakin' idea this far out.

I was afraid of Denver going into last season and I'm afraid of SDG away this year as well. But it will all depend on "which San Diego" shows up when we play them, just ask the Jests.

Steelers? Lots of uncertainty surrounding Big Ben IMO and they didn't do too well last year. How the heck am I supposed to know how they'll be playing when we meet them.

Lions? Easy to write off, but ya never know. We get em away. Maybe on Thanksgiving. Could be a statement game for them.

Cleveland? Away. Depends on when we play them and how they're coming together. I was more worried about Carolina last year. Still. What do we know now?

Most importantly. New England.

Too soon to tell, but a young team in many areas starting to get it together. Secondary is coming together. Wilfork is in the House and making field leader like noises. Tommy will come into the year with a chip on his shoulder after the Peyton talk cum bust. Welker's a big, big question mark. LB? Pass rush? Another WR? Big question marks, but I'm willing to wait and see how things move.

So, no "beautiful places," but a few bright spots, a few clouds and a long way to go.

Now, you be as specific back to me so I don't feel I wasted my time writing that.

my issue with the pats is pretty simple.........in 2009, good QB's killed the pats.....in 2010, there are many more good QB's on the schedule than in 2009.

then you look at the situation on defense. in my opinion, the LB group is an utter mess. the pats do not have an ILB who can make a big play in the passing game, and the really don't scare anyne in the passing game. couple that with a pass rush that disappears for weeks, and you have a 'no lead is safe' situation. as of right now, what's the best case improvement that anyone can REASONABLY expect for the LB group? I just don't see much there.

the other point is the coaching........its mostly the same guys, so what can be expected in terms of improving the offensive playcalling.....not the plays themselves, but actually getting them into the huddle so the offense does not look like keyston cops?

and then what of halftime adjustments? other teams made them, and the pats did not.....a total reversal from the good years.

the bottom line is that I see the ability for any good QB to be able to have a good day against the pats......I can see rodgers, palmer, favre, manning, rivers, cutler, roethlisberger all having relatively easy days against the pats....on top of that, teams like the jets and ravens can be expected to simply be patient and run the ball until the pats make them stop.

so here goes:
AFCE: split with the jets and dolphins, and beat the the bills twice (4-2)
AFCN: beat the bengals and browns, lose to the ravens and steelers....the steelers, in their world of alternating years, they will be on, but without roethlisberger, this is a win for the pats (2-2)
AFC1: lose to the colts and chargers......the colts might slip, but manning will pick apart the pats defense......(0-2)
NFC: beat the bears,packers, and lions, lose to the vikings(3-1)
...the pats will split the packers/vikings....beat one lose to the other

I think 9-7 is where it is at right now......
 
Don't ask me anything, Put up or SHUT up.

If my statement was NOT objective, then that means the odds are in your favor. If the odds AREN'T in your favor, then that means you are not objective.

So once again, put up... or SHUT UP.

heh....I'll take it....10-6 is a push
 
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tanked, $100... deal or no deal?
 
That IS objective, and if you want to put your money where your "objective" mouth is let me know. Closer to 12-4 than 8-8 means 10-6 is a push, 9-7 or worse you win and 11-5 or better I win.

Put up or shut up

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tanked, $100... deal or no deal?


sorry it took so long.....once in a while, I need to take a work break

deal.......but if you try to get me banned, the deal is off......

Quoted, bookmarked, all we need now is a 3rd-party witness to verify the bet is on. Anyone?

PS: There is no backing out, and there are no extenuating circumstances that can cancel this bet.
 
Quoted, bookmarked, all we need now is a 3rd-party witness to verify the bet is on. Anyone?

PS: There is no backing out, and there are no extenuating circumstances that can cancel this bet.

You are probably wasting your time.

Tanked is one of two things.

1. A troll who enjoys stirring up negative sentiment on this board.

2. A Patriots fan with a need for attention similar to that of an infant.

I kinda hope for his sake that its the former.
 
You are probably wasting your time.

Tanked is one of two things.

1. A troll who enjoys stirring up negative sentiment on this board.

2. A Patriots fan with a need for attention similar to that of an infant.

I kinda hope for his sake that its the former.

An attention-starved troll-child. Who drinks. Alot.
 
An attention-starved troll-child. Who drinks. Alot.

I had to run this one through translation party

Troll attention to child hunger. Everyone drinks. Much.
 
your 2 pet canaries?

I limit my responses to you, but you do realize that you are rooting AGAINST the Patriots next year right? Troll or miserable "fan", doesn't matter to me. It's easy money, even though I highly doubt you'll be good for it.
 
I limit my responses to you, but you do realize that you are rooting AGAINST the Patriots next year right? Troll or miserable "fan", doesn't matter to me. It's easy money, even though I highly doubt you'll be good for it.

see...that's where your lack of objectivity gets in the way

the last time I was like you, I sincerely thought the pats were going to beat the bears in the super bowl

its good to be a fan.....I want the pats to win just as much as you do......doesn't mean I would turn down a good bet

the thing that you don't grasp is the difference between what you really want to happen and what is logical

I'm not rooting against the pats......I would pay $100 to see them go 11-5 next year

and if you don't think I am good for it, why'd you make the bet?
 
see...that's where your lack of objectivity gets in the way

the last time I was like you, I sincerely thought the pats were going to beat the bears in the super bowl

its good to be a fan.....I want the pats to win just as much as you do......doesn't mean I would turn down a good bet

the thing that you don't grasp is the difference between what you really want to happen and what is logical

I'm not rooting against the pats......I would pay $100 to see them go 11-5 next year

and if you don't think I am good for it, why'd you make the bet?

The fact that you just used that quote to use your lame "objectivity" argument proves you have NO idea what on earth you are talking about in that department.

I made the bet with the hopes that you will be good for it, it's very very very low risk for me as it would take catastrophe for a 9-7 season. Thank you for the (hopefully) easy money though
 
The fact that you just used that quote to use your lame "objectivity" argument proves you have NO idea what on earth you are talking about in that department.

I made the bet with the hopes that you will be good for it, it's very very very low risk for me as it would take catastrophe for a 9-7 season. Thank you for the (hopefully) easy money though

its not an argument.....its plain as day that you're not objective....just listen to yourself.....you chide the OP's notion yet you are doing the same thing youorself......not only are you not objective, you are kind of hypocritical, too
 
its not an argument.....its plain as day that you're not objective....just listen to yourself.....you chide the OP's notion yet you are doing the same thing youorself......not only are you not objective, you are kind of hypocritical, too

Just have the money ready
 
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