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My Thoughts on Monty Beisel: He is Still Horrible

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RoughingthePasser said:
Monty is here with us. We really need to egg him on and give him our support.

You never know if he might check this board out.

He has my support.

Right, everyone. Let's not criticize or discuss anything related to the Pats that could be negative. Meanwhile, let's start working on our cheers! Who's got the pom-poms?

edit: fixed my spelling, thanks to PromisdLand.
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maverick4 said:
Right, everyone. Let's not criticize or discuss anything related to the Pats that could be negative. Meanwhile, let's start working on our cheers! Who's got the pon-pons?

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What are "pon-pons"? Those things cheerleaders cover the good parts with are called "pom poms"!
 
Re: Monty Beisel is Still Horrible

patsox23 said:
My Thoughts on Your Thoughts on Monty Beisel:

I understand, but you guys really do need to give it a bit more time.

How much time though? We've already given him a season, in which he failed. So far in TC and the 1st preseason game, there has been no significant improvement. He simply isn't good enough.
 
Going through all of Beisel's plays in the Atlanta game, I had the following tally:

1 Really Good
1 Good
1 OK ??
4 Poor
1 Very Poor
1 Bad
8 Terrible

I think you have to read what he is doing to get an idea of whether there is any hope of him improving enough to start or even make the team. One thing is for sure - If the ratio of plays where he gets taken out of the play to plays where he does OK or Good doesn't change, I can't imagine how the team can get by with him playing ILB.

2nd - 12:33 - 1st and 10 - terrible
Run to Beisel's gap. He moves up DIRECTLY behind DE (Thomas) rather than rushing his gap. Thomas is double teamed by OLG and OLT so Beisel is effectively blocked by the same guys blocking Thomas. After the intial double team of Thomas, the OLG slides thru and picks Beisel off of Thomas' back and blocks him outside and back completely away from the runner. Beisel ends up 5 yards from the LOS on his back. The runner makes 4 yards thru the OLG gap.
2nd - 11:50 - 2nd and 6 - good
Run to Beisel's gap. He does a really good job of meeting the block and holding position so runner cuts outside of block. Thomas pursues quick !! Sullivan did a pretty decent job of sliding off of his block to get the legs of the runner.
2nd - 11:21 - 3rd and 1 - terrible
Run over ORG which is Beisel's gap. Meets block but let's it tie him up and move him outside away from gap rather than taking the block so he's on the gap side to get the RB or at least hold the block to clog the hole. This is totally Beisel's gap to seal. Result: 21 yard gain.
2nd - 10:42 - 1st and 10 - can't tell anything
2nd - 10:01 - 1st and 1 - can't tell anything (incomplete pass)
2nd - 9:56 - 2nd and 1 - can't evaluate
Beisel at LILB. Rushed up and took on block in gap. Run went to the other side of the line. Not really any way to tell what would have happened if the run had come thru Beisel's gap, but it looked like the way he was blocked it left his gap open - the way he was blocked looked eerily similar to the play where the run did go thru that gap and picked up 21 yards.
2nd - 9:10 - 1st and 10 - can't tell
Pass to TE who had come from the left TE position across the middle with Banta-Cain pursuing. Catch ended up on Beisel's side of field. I don't think he was Beisel's coverage altho Beisel might have had some underneath responsibility once he crossed to that side of the field. Beisel did end up dropping to that area but was maybe 5 yards from the TE when he made the reception.
2nd - 8:32 - 1st and 10 - bad
Beisel rushes forward but is met by blocker who blocks him straight back 5 yards from the line of scrimmage before Beisel gets off of the block.
2nd - 7:54 - 2nd and 8 - very poor
Quick pass to TE coming over the middle - Beisel's coverage. He was 4 yards off of TE, basically giving him the reception. Poor tackle - TE picked up 2 or 3 yards after the catch. 5 yard gain.
2nd - 7:10 - 3rd and 3 - don't think Beisel was in play - incomplete pass
2nd - 5:32 to 3:45 - Beisel not in
2nd - 2:19 to 0:36 - Beisel not in
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3rd - 13:30 - 1st and 10 - poor
Run thru other ILB gap. Beisel steps up and stops 3 yards from the LOS waiting for blocker to come out. Runner comes thru about a yard from Beisel but he can't get up quick enough to try to tackle. Not Beisel's gap, but he didn't shed block to be able to come across and help. Result: 11 yard gain.
3rd - 12:55 - 1st and 10 - terrible
Run thru Beisel's gap. Beisel doesn't rush his gap, but pulls up 1 yard directly behind NT. Why does he do that ?? ?? ?? Then as FB comes thru gap, Beisel starts to slide toward gap but he's moving toward the gap and not set up in the gap so the RB just takes him on and shoves him back inside to the ground away from the runner coming thru. Result: 5 yard gain.
3rd - 12:12 - 2nd and 5 - terrible
Run thru Beisel's gap. Beisel doesn't rush his gap - AGAIN - but keeps sliding over and over staying DIRECTLY behind the DE. Why does he do this ?? ?? FB comes thru the gap and picks up Beisel still behind the DE. From this leverage it is simple for him to keep Beisel outside away from the gap. RB comes thru and picks up 8 yards.
3rd - 11:32 - 1st and 10 - no evaluation
Pass play to TE out in right flat. Pierre Woods pursued and made tackle but gave up 6 yard gain.
3rd - 11:07 - 1st and 10 - terrible
RB starts to Beisel's gap. OLT and OLG double team DE. Once again, I simply don't get it - Beisel rushes up DIRECTLY behind DE instead of rushing into his gap. Why does he do that ?? ?? So, by doing that, he basically lets the ORG do his double team on the DE AND then slip off and totally block Beisel away outside from the gap - which is left wide open. Why the RB doesn't go thru the gap, I don't know but he pulls up and cuts outside. Looks like he messed up the play. By the way, Mincey stood up the RB and fought him off to step up and stop the RB at the LOS. Kid could have potential.
3rd - 10:29 - OK ??
Pass - designed roll out. Pass intended for TE who has left other side of LOS and come across into Beisel's drop zone. Beisel is 5 yards off of the TE when the pass misses. TE is 15 yards from LOS so this could well be past Beisel's zone unless he's supposed to stay with the TE in man coverage. No way to tell
3rd - 8:50 - 1st and 10 - Poor ?
Pass. Pretty clear that Beisel had coverage on TE coming across the middle. When ball was thrown (not to his guy) he was about 3 yards off of his guy. He couldn't have defensed a pass to his guy - and if his guy had caught a ball in full stride I doubt that Beisel could have caught him for the tackle. The TE was only 11 yards from LOS. Isn't Beisel supposed to defense the pass in that zone ??
3rd - 8:44 - 2nd and 10 - terrible
Deja Vu all over again (as Yogi would say). Run to Beisel's gap. This time he doesn't move up directly behind the NT, But he does push up directly against the blocker who has blocked the NT toward the center of the LOS. Why doesn't he push up into the gap ?? ?? ?? This is exceedingly strange. Result is same as on several previous plays. The FB comes thru and since Beisel is still behind the other blocker, simply seals Beisel to the inside. Result: RB goes thru Beisel's gap for 9 yards.
3rd - 8:05 - 3rd and 1 - terrible
I have mentioned this in the past. Even with the 3-4 defense, the DL doesn't always line up in the 'conventional' manner of NT over OC and DEs over OT. In this play, the RDE lined up on ORG. So in this defense, the gap that Beisel is responsible for is between ORG and ORT or over ORT. Beisel rushes up to the ORT and takes him on. The ORT blocks him back and to the outside several yards clearing the hole. RB comes thru and makes 1st down.
3rd - 7:27 - 1st and 10 - terrible
Run to other ILB gap. Beisel again moves up DIRECTLY behind NT and sticks his hands out against NT and blocker. When he sees RB heading towards other gap, he bounces back and BACKPEDALS without anybody blocking him for 3 1/2 yards until he is 6 1/2 yards behind the LOS before he starts to cut back towards the RB. Needless to say, starting from that far back he is nowhere near the play.
3rd - 6:52 - 2nd and 10 - can't evaluate
pass play. no action in Beisel's area
3rd - 6:09 - 3rd and 1 - Poor
broken pass play. QB ends up scrambling thru LOS directly at Beisel. But before he gets to Beisel, Beisel gets pushed sideways to the ground and QB runs right thru where Beisel was. QB picks up 29 yards.
3rd - 5:32 - 1st and 10 - really good
This was a really good play. RB heading thru other ILB gap. Beisel pushes up to LOS and stands up blocker and then turns and dives across players on the ground to grab the runner. Best play I've ever seen him make. Textbook ILB play. 3 yard gain.
3rd - 4:54 - 2nd and 7 - You tell me
Quick pass play over the middle. Beisel had dropped back maybe one yard or so when the QB zipped the ball right at him. Who is it that does the drill with the LBs throwing balls right at them as hard as he can ? Scarnecchia ? Whoever - whatever practice Beisel had in that drill didn't seem to do him much good. By the way, the drive then went on to score a TD.
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Didn't see Beisel anymore after that play. Maybe just a coincidence.
 
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Great Thread

I can't believe that anyone has rated this thread at less than five stars.

It discusses a football issue. There is evidence and argument on both sides. It is, indeed, critical of a player -- but no one who is critical of MB doesn't hope that they are wrong and that he will help to solidify the ILB position. What more do you want?

As far as I'm concerned, it's threads like this that make the board an absolute must-read. Thanks to all!
 
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Great job arellbee, you analysis points out many of the flaws in Beisel's game. He did NOT improve last year at the end of the season, he sucked in the few plays in Denver. I think BB is starting to realize Beisel sucks too.

I still don't understand the people who want to give this guy a break, especially after the un-patriots like temper tantrum he had last year in front of Tom Curran and when he yelled at Stacey James. He can't play and he screams at the media? Get him outta here
 
Monty Beisel is improving!! If a player is showing improvement, than Belichick will always keep him on the roster. That's the key!

He was not consistent the other night and that is ultimately what determines a starter from a backup. But it was clear to me that he has come leaps and bounds further than where he was at this time last year.

It was also clear to me that he needs to work on his tackling. a lot!

As others have said, we need to be patient with this kid, he may not be a starter, but he's working hard and improving and Rome wasn't built in a day.
 
belichickaholic said:
He was not consistent the other night and that is ultimately what determines a starter from a backup. But it was clear to me that he has come leaps and bounds further than where he was at this time last year.

According to arrellbee, Beisel only had 3 plays out of 17 that were 'ok' or better. 14 of his 17 plays were poor to terrible.

Any non-horrible NFL player, if he spends enough time, could probably become an average player in Belichick's defense. How much should we be devoting our resources/time/coaching to Beisel over an alternative candidate? Why spend 5 years developing Monty to play for 2 years, when we could find someone better?

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PatsWickedPissah said:
Try explaining to us why BB has him on the roster then...


The only reason he is still on the team is because the depth behind him is horrible. They are at the point where they just need bodies..
What makes YOU and OTHERS think he actually will contribute??
His stats and play last year don't show it at all.. He started playing less as the season went on.. And not to mention, hurt or not, he is healthy enough to play later in the game.. So don't give me the injury issue..
 
 
To arrellbee nice JOB.. I have to agree with you on a lot of the plays.. Actually I might be a little kinder but I agree with your assessment..

Now to PATSWICKEDPISSah & ROUGHINGTHE PASSER:

1. Beisel has had two full offseasons now and should know where to be.. I'm sorry but he is way out of position to many times.. This shouldn't happen for a 2nd year player
2. He has actually gotten worse. Look at last years stats and you will notice that as the season went on, he played less.. He actually didn't suite up 4 games at the end.
3. ILB must shed blockers, he still can't do that while younger players like Mincy can..
4. When he does get into position he fails to make the tackles way to often. As Arrelbee pointed out, he missed a few.
5. I love the patriots but I'm not a homer.. The fact is the guy has never been a great player. He is was a project.> Well its year 2 of this project and he didn't even start the 1st preseason game.> YEs he was injured by he was well enough to play. And if he was well enough to play then he should have started.. So that excuse goes out the window..
6. I could continue if you like but the fact is the PATRIOTS are already looking at ILB on the waiver/streets.. So that doesn't bold well for your HERO
 

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PATSNUTme said:

I don't think it is, based on how much interest this thread has gathered.
Linebacker is one of our most pressing issues, and Monty Beisel is candidate #1 to fill that hole for us.
 
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Interesting tidbit from BB today about TBC:

Asked about outside linebacker Tully Banta-Cain, he said: “I think this has been Tully’s best camp. It’s also the one where he’s probably gotten the most opportunity in a couple years.
http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/reiss_pieces/2006/08/bills_take_12.html
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Wishful thinking that Tully is stepping up, but when Tedy gets back would you rather have Colvin,Bruschi,Beisel,Vrabel or Colvin,Bruschi, Vrabel, TBC?

I know BB could be blowing smoke but when does he actually mention a guy's doing good? Either that or there going to cut him in 2 weeks.
 
mcsully said:
To arrellbee nice JOB.. I have to agree with you on a lot of the plays.. Actually I might be a little kinder but I agree with your assessment..

Now to PATSWICKEDPISSah & ROUGHINGTHE PASSER:

1. Beisel has had two full offseasons now and should know where to be.. I'm sorry but he is way out of position to many times.. This shouldn't happen for a 2nd year player
2. He has actually gotten worse. Look at last years stats and you will notice that as the season went on, he played less.. He actually didn't suite up 4 games at the end.
3. ILB must shed blockers, he still can't do that while younger players like Mincy can..
4. When he does get into position he fails to make the tackles way to often. As Arrelbee pointed out, he missed a few.
5. I love the patriots but I'm not a homer.. The fact is the guy has never been a great player. He is was a project.> Well its year 2 of this project and he didn't even start the 1st preseason game.> YEs he was injured by he was well enough to play. And if he was well enough to play then he should have started.. So that excuse goes out the window..
6. I could continue if you like but the fact is the PATRIOTS are already looking at ILB on the waiver/streets.. So that doesn't bold well for your HERO


I noticed no comments regarding play by play analysis that I posted previously. You disregard any evidence that tends to dispute your emotional position regarding Beisel.

Item 6: By your reasoning if BB signs a DB then the DBs playing must be horrible. Maybe BB is looking at LBs on the waiver wire because (1) his starting ILB is out with an injury (2) He simply wants to pas up no opportunity to improve the roster.

You are impervious to rational discussion having gone way out on a limb re: Beisel. Characterizing a player I said "the jury is still out" as being my hero is an example of your polemics.
 
PATSNUTme said:
Ok, Ok he sucks!

He a coward. He's stupid. He's just the worst player that ever put on a Patriots uniform.

He will not make the team. BB should have made him walk home from Atlanta.

When he's cut, which should be tomorrow, I will start a thread and say how wrong I was and beg for forgiveness.


PatNut,

You can't say that. Satire and Irony are beyond the ken for some of the ten year old, instant gratification types, posting here...
 
Apologies for repeating the post, but the edit option had expired on the original post and I wanted to add some correlation to the gamebook and an important correction on 3rd - 12:54 which gives credit to Beisel for a tackle and changes that rating from a Terrible to a Good (my bad).

Going through all of Beisel's plays in the Atlanta game, I had the following tally:

1 Really Good
2 Good [edit] Was 1 before - see 3rd - 12:54
1 OK ??
4 Poor
1 Very Poor
1 Bad
7 Terrible [edit] was 8 before - see 3rd - 12:54

I think you have to read what he is doing to get an idea of whether there is any hope of him improving enough to start or even make the team. One thing is for sure - If the ratio of plays where he gets taken out of the play to plays where he does OK or Good doesn't change, I can't imagine how the team can get by with him playing ILB.

2nd - 12:33 - 1st and 10 - terrible
Run to Beisel's gap. He moves up DIRECTLY behind DE (Thomas) rather than rushing his gap. Thomas is double teamed by OLG and OLT so Beisel is effectively blocked by the same guys blocking Thomas. After the intial double team of Thomas, the OLG slides thru and picks Beisel off of Thomas' back and blocks him outside and back completely away from the runner. Beisel ends up 5 yards from the LOS on his back. The runner makes 4 yards thru the OLG gap.
2nd - 11:50 - 2nd and 6 - good
Run to Beisel's gap. He does a really good job of meeting the block and holding position so runner cuts outside of block. Thomas pursues quick !! Sullivan did a pretty decent job of sliding off of his block to get the legs of the runner.
2nd - 11:21 - 3rd and 1 - terrible
Run over ORG which is Beisel's gap. Meets block but let's it tie him up and move him outside away from gap rather than taking the block so he's on the gap side to get the RB or at least hold the block to clog the hole. This is totally Beisel's gap to seal. Result: 21 yard gain.
2nd - 10:42 - 1st and 10 - can't tell anything
2nd - 10:01 - 1st and 1 - can't tell anything (incomplete pass)
2nd - 9:56 - 2nd and 1 - can't evaluate
Beisel at LILB. Rushed up and took on block in gap. Run went to the other side of the line. Not really any way to tell what would have happened if the run had come thru Beisel's gap, but it looked like the way he was blocked it left his gap open - the way he was blocked looked eerily similar to the play where the run did go thru that gap and picked up 21 yards.
2nd - 9:10 - 1st and 10 - can't tell
Pass to TE who had come from the left TE position across the middle with Banta-Cain pursuing. Catch ended up on Beisel's side of field. I don't think he was Beisel's coverage altho Beisel might have had some underneath responsibility once he crossed to that side of the field. Beisel did end up dropping to that area but was maybe 5 yards from the TE when he made the reception. [edit] Gamebook gives Beisel a tackle on this one. I thought Banta-Cain touched the TE as he fell to the ground, but let the scorer prevail. Beisel's 'tackle' was to reach down and touch the TE while he was on the ground.
2nd - 8:32 - 1st and 10 - bad
Beisel rushes forward but is met by blocker who blocks him straight back 5 yards from the line of scrimmage before Beisel gets off of the block.
2nd - 7:54 - 2nd and 8 - very poor
Quick pass to TE coming over the middle - Beisel's coverage. He was 4 yards off of TE, basically giving him the reception. Poor tackle - TE picked up 2 or 3 yards after the catch. 5 yard gain.
2nd - 7:10 - 3rd and 3 - don't think Beisel was in play - incomplete pass
2nd - 5:32 to 3:45 - Beisel not in
2nd - 2:19 to 0:36 - Beisel not in
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3rd - 13:30 - 1st and 10 - poor
Run thru other ILB gap. Beisel steps up and stops 3 yards from the LOS waiting for blocker to come out. Runner comes thru about a yard from Beisel but he can't get up quick enough to try to tackle. Not Beisel's gap, but he didn't shed block to be able to come across and help. Result: 11 yard gain.
3rd - 12:55 - 1st and 10 - good [edit change from terrible]
Run thru Beisel's gap. Beisel doesn't rush his gap, but pulls up 1 yard directly behind NT. Why does he do that ?? ?? ?? Then as FB comes thru gap, Beisel starts to slide toward gap but he's moving toward the gap and not set up in the gap so the FB [edit] just takes him on and shoves him back inside to the ground away from the runner coming thru. Result: 5 yard gain. [edit] My bad. Looked like the play was designed to go off guard, but Pierre Woods did a great job of fighting off his block and turning the runner to the guard gap which is where FB had pushed Beisel. Beisel got an arm tackle on RB and hung on. Santonio Thomas came from other side RDE to also wrap up RB (popped up from ground and pursued well). This was Beisel's gap and a good ILB play. I would rate it very good except that since Beisel was still tied up with the block he couldn't stop the runner dead and the pickup was 5 yards. Gamebook gives Beisel solo credit for tackle which looks proper.
3rd - 12:12 - 2nd and 5 - terrible
Run thru Beisel's gap. Beisel doesn't rush his gap - AGAIN - but keeps sliding over and over staying DIRECTLY behind the DE. Why does he do this ?? ?? FB comes thru the gap and picks up Beisel still behind the DE. From this leverage it is simple for him to keep Beisel outside away from the gap. RB comes thru and picks up 8 yards.
3rd - 11:32 - 1st and 10 - no evaluation
Pass play to TE out in right flat. Pierre Woods pursued and made tackle but gave up 6 yard gain.
3rd - 11:07 - 1st and 10 - terrible
RB starts to Beisel's gap. OLT and OLG double team DE. Once again, I simply don't get it - Beisel rushes up DIRECTLY behind DE instead of rushing into his gap. Why does he do that ?? ?? So, by doing that, he basically lets the ORG do his double team on the DE AND then slip off and totally block Beisel away outside from the gap - which is left wide open. Why the RB doesn't go thru the gap, I don't know but he pulls up and cuts outside. Looks like he messed up the play. By the way, Mincey stood up the RB and fought him off to step up and stop the RB at the LOS. Kid could have potential.
3rd - 10:29 - OK ??
Pass - designed roll out. Pass intended for TE who has left other side of LOS and come across into Beisel's drop zone. Beisel is 5 yards off of the TE when the pass misses. TE is 15 yards from LOS so this could well be past Beisel's zone unless he's supposed to stay with the TE in man coverage. No way to tell
3rd - 8:50 - 1st and 10 - Poor ?
Pass. Pretty clear that Beisel had coverage on TE coming across the middle. When ball was thrown (not to his guy) he was about 3 yards off of his guy. He couldn't have defensed a pass to his guy - and if his guy had caught a ball in full stride I doubt that Beisel could have caught him for the tackle. The TE was only 11 yards from LOS. Isn't Beisel supposed to defense the pass in that zone ??
3rd - 8:44 - 2nd and 10 - terrible
Deja Vu all over again (as Yogi would say). Run to Beisel's gap. This time he doesn't move up directly behind the NT, But he does push up directly against the blocker who has blocked the NT toward the center of the LOS. Why doesn't he push up into the gap ?? ?? ?? This is exceedingly strange. Result is same as on several previous plays. The FB comes thru and since Beisel is still behind the other blocker, simply seals Beisel to the inside. Result: RB goes thru Beisel's gap for 9 yards.
3rd - 8:05 - 3rd and 1 - terrible
I have mentioned this in the past. Even with the 3-4 defense, the DL doesn't always line up in the 'conventional' manner of NT over OC and DEs over OT. In this play, the RDE lined up on ORG. So in this defense, the gap that Beisel is responsible for is between ORG and ORT or over ORT. Beisel rushes up to the ORT and takes him on. The ORT blocks him back and to the outside several yards clearing the hole. RB comes thru and makes 1st down.
3rd - 7:27 - 1st and 10 - terrible
Run to other ILB gap. Beisel again moves up DIRECTLY behind NT and sticks his hands out against NT and blocker. When he sees RB heading towards other gap, he bounces back and BACKPEDALS without anybody blocking him for 3 1/2 yards until he is 6 1/2 yards behind the LOS before he starts to cut back towards the RB. Needless to say, starting from that far back he is nowhere near the play.
3rd - 6:52 - 2nd and 10 - can't evaluate
pass play. no action in Beisel's area
3rd - 6:09 - 3rd and 1 - Poor
broken pass play. QB ends up scrambling thru LOS directly at Beisel. But before he gets to Beisel, Beisel gets pushed sideways to the ground and QB runs right thru where Beisel was. QB picks up 29 yards.
3rd - 5:32 - 1st and 10 - really good
This was a really good play. RB heading thru other ILB gap. Beisel pushes up to LOS and stands up blocker and then turns and dives across players on the ground to grab the runner. Best play I've ever seen him make. Textbook ILB play. 3 yard gain. Gamebook gives him solo tackle which looks correct.
3rd - 4:54 - 2nd and 7 - You tell me
Quick pass play over the middle. Beisel had dropped back maybe one yard or so when the QB zipped the ball right at him. Who is it that does the drill with the LBs throwing balls right at them as hard as he can ? Scarnecchia ? Whoever - whatever practice Beisel had in that drill didn't seem to do him much good. By the way, the drive then went on to score a TD.
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Didn't see Beisel anymore after that play. Maybe just a coincidence.
 
I have to agree with pats and the others saying that beisel cant be judged by this game simply because no one on here has anything more than conjecture about his (beisel's) responsibilities on those plays.
arrellbee gives beisel terrible and poor grades for plays where beisel plugged a hole by the de when the de was taking on two blockers, and askes why he did that instead of attacking the hole. perhaps, just perhaps, that was his responsibility for those plays. if so then he gets good marks for actually being where he is supposed to be. the same can be applied for the rest of arrellbee's grades. if beisel missed a tackle then was it a tackle in his area of responsibility? if so he deserves his grade, if not then he deserves a good grade for at least getting to someone elses area and attempting to make a play.
I'm not saying beisel will be the next bruschi or even that he will make the team, but grading him without having any clue as to what he was required to do on a specific play, with only hindsight to go on, saying that the play went one way and beisel was just standing by a de doing nothing is doing a disservice to him.
Personally, I felt that he was tentative in the game, slow to make decisions. That may be, as many have said on here, because he is just no good. doesnt have the nose for contact the way bruschi and johnson and vrabel do. It could, however, simply be that he is struggling to read the plays and spending to much time thinking about where he is supposed to be in that specific situation. Going into his second year, I was hoping for more, but if I remember correctly, even bruschi took a few years to fully learn and understand this system and he was not exactly the shining example we see today.
As for his KC days, he was in the starting rotation his last year untill he was injured, and it took him a while to get there because they constantly moved him from de to olb to ilb.
I just think that he should actually be given the same chances that other linebackers on this team have been given (how many seasons did johnson miss with torn biceps? how many games did mcginnest miss with injuries? how long did bruschi take to get comfortable inside?). He has potential, and if anyone can get it out of him then its Belichick. If he cant, then I have no doubt that there will be little hesitation in cutting him in favor of someone that can do that job.
I guess thats the bottom line for me, Belichick doesnt play favorites. Anyone making the team makes it because Belichick feels that is the best player to do the job. So as long as he feels there is something in beisel, then I will show some patience and see. He may not be right every time, but he is often enough.
 
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Mike the Brit said:
..... -- but no one who is critical of MB doesn't hope that they are wrong and that he will help to solidify the ILB position. ....
You certainly have that right !!
 
More proof that Monty doesn't get it.
http://www.patriots.com/news/index.cfm?ac=latestnewsdetail&pid=20466&pcid=44
Who’s Not: Monty Beisel – What in God’s name happened to Beisel? The projected starter by many at inside linebacker for the Patriots now finds himself lining up next to undrafted free agent Freddie Roach in the second half of a preseason game. Beisel did miss some practice time last week but he was obviously healthy enough to play in the game because he was on the field for a majority of the third and fourth quarters. One play, in particular, against the Falcons epitomizes Beisel’s performance in New England thus far. Falcons backup receiver Kevin Youngblood caught a pass across the middle and Beisel was in perfect position to stop him in his tracks. Instead of laying a good lick on him, Beisel reached up high and brought Youngblood down by the jersey. That allowed the receiver to fall ahead for three more yards. Tackling high was Beisel’s problem last year and it doesn’t appear that he’s broken the habit. Perhaps the Patriots coaching staff was just shuffling things around to get a look at some other players but this can’t bode well for Beisel.

I said it last year, and I'll say it again. This guy has the worse football fundamentals I have ever seen. I didn't understand it when they signed him last year.
Every Kansas City fan I've spoken to had nothing good to say about him. It's still early, and I'm holding out hope that he figures things out, but man, other than special teams, I would rather not see him starting in our defense.
 
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