Mount Cody

[Ochmed Jones]

Weighed in at 354 and put up 44 reps.

BB please draft this kid at #22 and plug him in at NT. He will improve our run defense immediately and make the ILB's that much better.

 

[WaterfallJumper]

I'm pretty sure Cody elected not to lift. Jeff Owens got 44 reps, but he's not Cody.

I do hope we take him, though. As much as I like Wilfork, he has a tendency to get pushed around, a bit. Cody would be an absolute rock in the middle. I'm all for a tag-and-trade, or a move to a 4-2-5 with the two giants in the middle. I'd like to see people try to run on us then.

 

[DW Toys]

Weighed in at 354 and put up 44 reps.

BB please draft this kid at #22 and plug him in at NT. He will improve our run defense immediately and make the ILB's that much better.

Touche sir. He is the one player in this Draft who teams had to scheme for more than any RB, WR or QB or any defensive player in the NCAA. During his career there, no individual has rushed for 100 yards since Cody arrived at Alabama.
If he plays nose and Wilfork DE (and a rejuvenated Warren), we can dominate against the run.
He changes the whole makeup of the N.E. Patriots as much as a Steven Jackson or a Julius Peppers (on his best days) can do. I would rather have him than any other D lineman in this Draft.
He has quick hands and blocked two Field Goals in one game.

This is the only player in the Draft that you can be assured he is a difference maker and will win a couple games for you because a Team like the Jets will have to throw.

I take him over Kindle, Hughes, Suh, Spiller, McClain or anyone else.

I think the Browns or the Broncos grab him. I hope not.

DW Toys

 

[Patriot Missile]

Weighed in at 354 and put up 44 reps.

BB please draft this kid at #22 and plug him in at NT. He will improve our run defense immediately and make the ILB's that much better.

I've made up my mind who's name will be first on my mock and it's a no brainer now. This guy will not only make our run defense top 5 by plugging the gaps like Ted Washington. He will also make the pass defense far better. It is so much easier for Belichick to scheme and stunt when he knows the opposition has no chance of running the ball. When this occurs the coaches are able to game plan almost entirely for the pass which puts players in position to make safe gambles on the ball and rush the passer.Guyton and Banta-Cain are not engaged quite so much and the team is much more able to utilize their speed.. Especially if the opposition is taking on the likes of Warren,Wilfork and Cody.

Ochmed has convinced me that Cody is the right pick for this team. The rest of the picks will be gravy on top.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

As reamer noted there is some confusion with Cody's reps. On NFLTA tonight the host closed out an argument between Mooch, Dukes, and Billick over the problems of guys like Cody maintaining the right weight by stating Cody had lifted 44 times - according to all web listings of the DL scores Cody "DNP" for the lifting. I also have a memory of Mayock and Co. complaining that he didn't lift during their poorly managed coverage. Owens of GA did have 44 reps.

 

[SanAngeloState]

I've made up my mind who's name will be first on my mock and it's a no brainer now. This guy will not only make our run defense top 5 by plugging the gaps like Ted Washington. He will also make the pass defense far better. It is so much easier for Belichick to scheme and stunt when he knows the opposition has no chance of running the ball. When this occurs the coaches are able to game plan almost entirely for the pass which puts players in position to make safe gambles on the ball and rush the passer.Guyton and Banta-Cain are not engaged quite so much and the team is much more able to utilize their speed.. Especially if the opposition is taking on the likes of Warren,Wilfork and Cody.

Ochmed has convinced me that Cody is the right pick for this team. The rest of the picks will be gravy on top.

Cody is fat and immobile. He didn't lift because he's not very strong in the upper body at all...hasn't put in the time, too busy eating cheeseburgers.

I see him slipping to the 3rd/4th.

A great NT would be great...although I think we should go 4-3 and be done with the difficulties staffing our defense. BB has kept trying to get "veteran" talent to man the LB positions as they are the only ones smart enough to understand waht's gonig on....how's that worked (AD).

 

[signbabybrady]

From what I have heard Cody could be a 2nd or third Rd pick. I would love to have him in the second but not sure if the need is big enough to use a first on him.

 

[TriplecHamp]

I honestly dont think we need a third NT, Right now we have Brace, Wilfork. If we ship Wilfork out Im all for it but for now I wouldn't move the best NT in the NFL for a rookie especially if we pay to keep Wilfork then it makes even less sense. Another note, what do we do with Brace whom we spent a second round pick on?

 

[mgteich]

My choice is to extend Wilfork for 5 years.

Weighed in at 354 and put up 44 reps.

BB please draft this kid at #22 and plug him in at NT. He will improve our run defense immediately and make the ILB's that much better.

 

[VJCPatriot]

The thing is that if we extend Wilfork and pay him as a DT, then move him to DE, we actually gain value. This is because Defensive Ends usually command higher salaries than DTs. I'm not sold on Cody yet, but the Wilfork-Cody-Warren DL idea does have some merit to it. Assuming that Cody makes a worthwhile NT and can control his weight issues.

 

[yopats]

The thing is that if we extend Wilfork and pay him as a DT, then move him to DE, we actually gain value. This is because Defensive Ends usually command higher salaries than DTs. I'm not sold on Cody yet, but the Wilfork-Cody-Warren DL idea does have some merit to it. Assuming that Cody makes a worthwhile NT and can control his weight issues.

I was thinking the same concept yesterday.. It allows the Pats to concentrate on getting a guy like Peppers and resigning TBC and would make Mayo and Guyton/ McKenzie very effective in the middle..


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[signbabybrady]

The thing is that if we extend Wilfork and pay him as a DT, then move him to DE, we actually gain value. This is because Defensive Ends usually command higher salaries than DTs. I'm not sold on Cody yet, but the Wilfork-Cody-Warren DL idea does have some merit to it. Assuming that Cody makes a worthwhile NT and can control his weight issues.

This would seem an ok first down and short yardage package but it leaves you with two guys who you would be trying to get off the field for passing situations and would be a match up nightmare.

I think people are taking to much stock into the Vince at end stuff last year. To me that was done with the idea of neutrilizing a specific tackle that was causing problems against our smaller RE. If we get a RE who has the proper size for the 5 technique this would not be needed. And would seem like a better plan than playing two NT one of whom you have to draft anyway.

For me MT Cody is intriguing but because of Vince I would not use a first on him it would be hard to pass up on him if he was there in the second because he seems like the perfect NT.

If in the second RD we have found a pass rusher and a RB than fine but if we use one of those top four picks on WRs, TE, DBs than I think we have bigger needs than NT.

 

[BradyManny]

This would seem an ok first down and short yardage package but it leaves you with two guys who you would be trying to get off the field for passing situations and would be a match up nightmare.

Not necessarily - presumably the reason Wilfork is off the field on 3rd downs has less to do with his capabilities and more to do with how the Patriots want to use him. If Wilfork we're at end, he might take less a beating, and might be able to play more than 50-60% of the snaps. We've seen Wilfork - at times - collapse the pocket and get upfield, it's just the Patriots don't ask him to do it a lot to keep him fresh for his run-stuffing duties.

Unless the D-Line gets bigger and stouter, I can't see how we'll be effective with Mayo and Guyton at LB. Even with Wilfork, we'll get run on with decent success by good running teams (ie, Ravens game). Frankly, I think Wilfork's play against the run is mildly overrated - I don't think he faces as many double teams as people think (at least when I'm paying attention) and he is not always dominant as he's given credited for. Don't get me wrong, he is a very good player, but I've long thought that Seymour was our best run defender, and I stand by that.

Perillo was on EEI recently and said that the Patriots wanted to keep Seymour over Wilfork, and approached Big Sey first, but then realized it wasn't going to happen.

 

[lostjumper]

I would not want to draft Cody in the first round. He seems to be the type who would get a 5 year gauranteed contract and show up to training camp over 400 pounds. He showed up to the senior bowl incredibly out of shape. Looks like he lost some wieght for the combine, but he could put it back on as we speak. With all the sure picks in the draft, Cody in the first round seems dicey to me.

 

[SanAngeloState]

Cody looks like a huge bust. He'd take up blockers making Guyton and Mayo so much more effective? Says who? So you're saying he's better than wilfork right off the bat? Cause we already have a guy named wilfork and guyton isn't too effective with him in there and he's supposed to be pretty good.

Lindval Joseph I predict will be better overall than this fat Cody. Cody has huge problems with motivation, conditioning, and intelligence. Yeah, he's a game changing guy we have to reach for in the first round? He didn't get that physique by pumping iron. He's going to need breast reduction surgery at the very least (no, I'm not being mean there is actual surgery for guys who have grown breasts).

 

[Metaphors]

Not necessarily - presumably the reason Wilfork is off the field on 3rd downs has less to do with his capabilities and more to do with how the Patriots want to use him. If Wilfork we're at end, he might take less a beating, and might be able to play more than 50-60% of the snaps. We've seen Wilfork - at times - collapse the pocket and get upfield, it's just the Patriots don't ask him to do it a lot to keep him fresh for his run-stuffing duties.

Makes sense but that really isn't the question. If you were faced with a DL of Warren/Cody/Wilfork, what would you do? Exactly what the Pats did when facing the Vikings...spread the field to wear them out and/or get them off the field in sub packages. So while that front looks formidable, it is way too easy to counter them on offense.

I've asked this question a million times in the various Cody threads. What teams are you trying to defend against? Certainly not the Colts, Chargers or Steelers. The Jets? Bengals? Ravens? Titans? I'm not worried about any of these teams running through the Pats defense like in 2002. Are you?

Unless the D-Line gets bigger and stouter, I can't see how we'll be effective with Mayo and Guyton at LB. Even with Wilfork, we'll get run on with decent success by good running teams (ie, Ravens game).

Let me state up front that I believe the Pats can stand to improve their run defense. That being said, in what way were the Pats run on with "decent success" by anybody? Against the Ravens? In the reg season and playoffs, the Ravens had one big play in each but were hardly dominating otherwise (4.1 ypc on only 16 carries in the reg season and under 3 ypc in the playoffs). You want to remake their run defense based on two blown plays?

Outside of those games, there were 3 guys that got 100 yds:

- Chris Johnson in a 59-0 loss in the snow
- Thomas Jones in a game the Pats gave up only 1 real drive all game
- Arien Foster in the final game when Wilfork and Warren (among others) sat

This is classic throwing out the baby with the bath water. The Pats schedule included a lot of running teams and the offense generally struggled (by their standards) through the season. And the Pats more than held their own on run defense.

Now look at the QBs (again, on primarily running teams) that had great success against the Pats this season. You still want to "bulk up" to better defend the run? I'd rather "speed up" to stop Henne, Orton and even Matt F-in Moore from getting decent QB ratings.

Frankly, I think Wilfork's play against the run is mildly overrated - I don't think he faces as many double teams as people think (at least when I'm paying attention) and he is not always dominant as he's given credited for. Don't get me wrong, he is a very good player, but I've long thought that Seymour was our best run defender, and I stand by that.

I don't agree with you, but at least that is a reasonable perspective. Wilfork (when healthy) controls his gaps as well as anyone I've seen. That is what he is asked to do. In addition to just taking up space and holding the LOS, he makes a good number of plays in the A gap.

If it were a generally held belief that Cody could man the nose in a 3-4 even close to the level of Wilfork, he would be a top 15 player. The fact that Cody is being projected in the 2nd round leads me to the conclusion that I'm not missing anything.

Perillo was on EEI recently and said that the Patriots wanted to keep Seymour over Wilfork, and approached Big Sey first, but then realized it wasn't going to happen.

I don't doubt it to be true...I just doubt that Perillo (or anyone) knows that it IS true. Only Belichick would know that information (relative value of Seymour and Wilfork to the Pats) and he would be insane to give that info to the media unless he was trying to pump up Seymour's value.

 

[BillBelichickFan79]

It's an interesting idea, but Vince would have to slim down, add some muscle, and get in better shape. I think if he did, he'd be a very good DE and could be a 3 down player. But at this point in his career I don't know if you can go down that route of changing Wilfork's position, especially when he's been so good for us at NT, and Cody hasn't proven anything except the fact that he likes the buffet even more than Rex Ryan.

We're probably better off leaving Vince at NT and letting him do his thing. Hopefully we have something in Brace. We can look for a DE in the draft (Carrington, Odrick, Houston, Cam Thomas, Geno Atkins, etc.) and we can give Wright a shot a the starting job, which I actually think he's earned with his play this past season. He's never going to be a Seymour or have the upside of some of the guys we could draft in the first round, but he's your typical Patriots blue collar guy who works and scraps for everything and does a good job of getting pressure on the QB.

 

[dryheat44]

I don't doubt it to be true...I just doubt that Perillo (or anyone) knows that it IS true. Only Belichick would know that information (relative value of Seymour and Wilfork to the Pats) and he would insane to give that info to the media unless he was trying to pump up Seymour's value.

Great, great, all around post. I'm calling shenanigans on Perillo, who likely just wants to feel important. It is much harder to find a 2-gap NT than a 2-gap DE. Is Seymour a better football player? Arguably, he is. But he's also easier to replace. How many 3-4 NT studs are in the draft any given year? Usually 1. Sometimes 2. But there are typically 5-6 DE prospects, and many more that could succeed after a conversion and learning process. You can't learn to be a 320+ pounder with enough agility to dunk a basketball. That's genetics and bacon double cheeseburgers.

 

[HarkDawg]

The thing is that if we extend Wilfork and pay him as a DT, then move him to DE, we actually gain value. This is because Defensive Ends usually command higher salaries than DTs. I'm not sold on Cody yet, but the Wilfork-Cody-Warren DL idea does have some merit to it. Assuming that Cody makes a worthwhile NT and can control his weight issues.

1. Do you understand football at all? Are you kidding?

2. too fat/big and far too slow to play DE...... he would be the biggest and most ineffective DE everm if he converted. He is a NT for a reason.

3. I think I have become less intelligent reading your post.

4. Thank you for wasting 20 seconds of my life reading that nonsense.

5.

 

[DaBruinz]

1. Do you understand football at all? Are you kidding?

2. too fat/big and far too slow to play DE...... he would be the biggest and most ineffective DE everm if he converted. He is a NT for a reason.

3. I think I have become less intelligent reading your post.

4. Thank you for wasting 20 seconds of my life reading that nonsense.

5.

1) See your #4..
2) No, he's not too big/fat/Slow to play 3-4 DE. 4-3 DE, yes. But not 3-4 DE
3) It's likely you actually became more intelligent with the stuff you actually post.
4) See your #4
5) :bricks: