Mangini Accepts Jets Offer - ESPN.com

[Seymour93]

He'll resign within the next 24 hours after realizing what he's gotten himself into.

 

[SoonerPatriot]

He'll resign within the next 24 hours after realizing what he's gotten himself into.

And I would love to be there to see BB tell the disloyal, wet behind the ears pretty boy to go F himself.

 

[Larry Whigham]

Rumor has it that Bates will get the DC job. He & BB go way back. Done deal that won't be announced tomorrow to let Mangini have his day.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

give me a break. the guy did a great job. Why else is he now a head coach?

Because apparently he isn't any brighter than his new employer. He was in a little over his head in his first season as a DC on a 2-3 time SB defense plagued with injuries. But here he had a veteran Belichick coached team and the genius himself to fall back on (and apparently at one point he did). In the Meadowlands......he'll have QB controversy, contract disputes, cap troubles, discipline issues (is Eric a hugger), guys who don't know the only system he's ever coached. Not to mention an offense to run and assistants to hire (unless he didn't get that authority) and Bradway shopping for the groceries. And the media - has Eric ever uttered an official word to them? I'd think not since only our coordinators were allowed to do interviews and then only before the Superbowl. Position coaches never saw a podium.

Well after this season we all realize BB is not infallible. It appears he was wrong about how brilliant Mangini was too.

DEAD TO ME.

 

[PromisedLand]

Rumor has it that Bates will get the DC job. He & BB go way back. Done deal that won't be announced tomorrow to let Mangini have his day.

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[Seymour93]

Rumor has it that Bates will get the DC job. He & BB go way back. Done deal that won't be announced tomorrow to let Mangini have his day.

Were'd ya hear that one from?

 

[SoonerPatriot]

Because apparently he isn't any brighter than his new employer. He was in a little over his head in his first season as a DC on a 2-3 time SB defense plagued with injuries. But here he had a veteran Belichick coached team and the genius himself to fall back on (and apparently at one point he did). In the Meadowlands......he'll have QB controversy, contract disputes, cap troubles, discipline issues (is Eric a hugger), guys who don't know the only system he's ever coached. Not to mention an offense to run and assistants to hire (unless he didn't get that authority) and Bradway shopping for the groceries. And the media - has Eric ever uttered an official word to them? I'd think not since only our coordinators only were allowed to do interviews and then only before the Superbowl. Position coaches never saw a podium.

Well after this season we all realize BB is not infallible. It appears he was wrong about how brilliant Mangini was too.

DEAD TO ME.

Well said, Mo. I can't stand people who think they're too good to earn their chops and pay their dues like Weis and Crennel did for DECADES. Mangini falls into that category. Too cool for school.

I'll relish every defeat. Every failure. Dead to me as well.

 

[tombonneau]

Wow, I'm surprised about the anti-EM posts. I don't know what he was making, but lets say $500k. And lets say he gets $2.5MM from Jets.

I work in marketing. If I recently got a promotion at a company that the boss was nice & loyal to me, worked for a year and did a good job, and then the CEO of a competitor offered me a CMO job, even though I might not be ready for it, and quintupled my salary, I would take it.

I'm pretty sure most of you would to whatever your professions.

Anyway, as to the Bats buzz, where is this from?

Also, anyone have a quick Bates bio out there??

 

[SoonerPatriot]

I work in marketing. If I recently got a promotion at a company that the boss was nice & loyal to me, worked for a year and did a good job, and then the CEO of a competitor offered me a CMO job, even though I might not be ready for it, and quintupled my salary, I would take it.

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And you would almost certainly crash and burn thus setting yourself back on the long term. Sometimes the big picture is lost when immediate gratification feels so much better.

 

[VrabelMayeWin]

I was kind of intrigued by Rob Ryan, who may end up in NY, but Bates is a veteran coach who Belichick knows well. If Bill picks him there is no reason to think he's not a good choice.

 

[tombonneau]

I work in marketing. If I recently got a promotion at a company that the boss was nice & loyal to me, worked for a year and did a good job, and then the CEO of a competitor offered me a CMO job, even though I might not be ready for it, and quintupled my salary, I would take it.

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And you would almost certainly crash and burn thus setting yourself back on the long term. Sometimes the big picture is lost when immediate gratification feels so much better.

You're right. I'd say there would be a 66% chance of failure, 33% chance of success. But when you weigh the positives of success (tenure at a high salary, set for life) vs. negatives of failure (going back to your old job, prob. at an even better salary with a chance to redeem yourself in a few years anyway) its a no-brainer.

I know it sucks to lose EM and I'd rather keep him, but I cannot fault the guy for the once-in-a-lifetime chance he had.

I mean, look at how long it took for Weis & Crennel to get their jobs. Or tons of other coordinators who are always on the verge of HC jobs but don't get them.

I think what is lost sight of here is how rare & difficult it is to get a HC job in the NFL. There are only 32 of them available, and maybe 5-6 on average openings a year.

If you have a chance at one, you jump at it. You're an idiot not to. Strike while the iron is hot. What happens if there are more injuries and the D tanks it next year, and never recovers, and some of the golden boy sheen rubs off EM? He might have to wait years and years for another chance, if one even materializes.

He did the right thing for him and his family. Yeah, its not an ideal HC situation, but at the end of the day its a HC situation.

Any other coordinator or asst. coach in the league would have done the same thing.

 

[Larry Whigham]

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Sorry - nothing confirmed yet. I hate it when people post without a link but it will be in your newspaper by morning.

 

[tombonneau]

I was kind of intrigued by Rob Ryan, who may end up in NY, but Bates is a veteran coach who Belichick knows well. If Bill picks him there is no reason to think he's not a good choice.

Are you talking about Jim Bates (?)

 

[Seymour93]

This one's for you Sooner...



Surely one of you photoshop nuts can do better than that.

 

[SoonerPatriot]

You're right. I'd say there would be a 66% chance of failure, 33% chance of success. But when you weigh the positives of success (tenure at a high salary, set for life) vs. negatives of failure (going back to your old job, prob. at an even better salary with a chance to redeem yourself in a few years anyway) its a no-brainer.

I know it sucks to lose EM and I'd rather keep him, but I cannot fault the guy for the once-in-a-lifetime chance he had.

I mean, look at how long it took for Weis & Crennel to get their jobs. Or tons of other coordinators who are always on the verge of HC jobs but don't get them.

I think what is lost sight of here is how rare & difficult it is to get a HC job in the NFL. There are only 32 of them available, and maybe 5-6 on average openings a year.

If you have a chance at one, you jump at it. You're an idiot not to. Strike while the iron is hot. What happens if there are more injuries and the D tanks it next year, and never recovers, and some of the golden boy sheen rubs off EM? He might have to wait years and years for another chance, if one even materializes.

He did the right thing for him and his family. Yeah, its not an ideal HC situation, but at the end of the day its a HC situation.

Any other coordinator or asst. coach in the league would have done the same thing.

Funny you mention Crennel and Weis because they're the exact opposite of Mangini. Those two willingly paid their dues for DECADES and learned their craft. Mangini thinks he's too good to do that.

And frankly, when you're making 750k a year and you suddenly make 2 million, it's not as if your lifestyle makes the kind of jump it would if someone on this board went from making 50k to 500k, to use your logic which is to base the decision entirely on money.

I'm not saying your point isn't a valid one. But there are arguments to be made for him to NOT take the job as well.

But whatever. He's the enemy now. And in the same division, too. EM has bigger balls than I thought. BB will be scraping him off his boot for years to come.

 

[VrabelMayeWin]

Are you talking about Jim Bates (?)

Yes. Jim Bates.

 

[BradyisGod]

You're right. I'd say there would be a 66% chance of failure, 33% chance of success. But when you weigh the positives of success (tenure at a high salary, set for life) vs. negatives of failure (going back to your old job, prob. at an even better salary with a chance to redeem yourself in a few years anyway) its a no-brainer.

I know it sucks to lose EM and I'd rather keep him, but I cannot fault the guy for the once-in-a-lifetime chance he had.

I mean, look at how long it took for Weis & Crennel to get their jobs. Or tons of other coordinators who are always on the verge of HC jobs but don't get them.

I think what is lost sight of here is how rare & difficult it is to get a HC job in the NFL. There are only 32 of them available, and maybe 5-6 on average openings a year.

If you have a chance at one, you jump at it. You're an idiot not to. Strike while the iron is hot. What happens if there are more injuries and the D tanks it next year, and never recovers, and some of the golden boy sheen rubs off EM? He might have to wait years and years for another chance, if one even materializes.

He did the right thing for him and his family. Yeah, its not an ideal HC situation, but at the end of the day its a HC situation.

Any other coordinator or asst. coach in the league would have done the same thing.

Flawed Logic: "Once in a lifetime"

Flawed Logic: "Years and Years for another chance" , but 5-6 openings a year?

Flawed Logic: "You're an idiot...not to jump at it" Do you take the job if the team is the equivalent of Enron?

 

[Tunescribe]

He'll be looking for a defensive coordinator/position coach job within 3 seasons. Mark it down. Wrong place, wrong time, E.

On edit: This puts Crennel's struggle to get a HC job into even better perspective. Here he was a salty, grey beard of a coach who had accomplished more than Mangini could ever hope, yet had to help win 3 SBs as a coordinator to prove himself worthy of a sniff....from Cleveland.

I wish Mangini nothing but failure, but I have a hunch that'll take care of itself. He's not ready to be a head coach -- he's not that strong a leader (yet) and he has no expertise on offense. I hope we clean the Jets' clock each and every time.

 

[Willie55]

You're right. I'd say there would be a 66% chance of failure, 33% chance of success. But when you weigh the positives of success (tenure at a high salary, set for life) vs. negatives of failure (going back to your old job, prob. at an even better salary with a chance to redeem yourself in a few years anyway) its a no-brainer.

I know it sucks to lose EM and I'd rather keep him, but I cannot fault the guy for the once-in-a-lifetime chance he had.

I mean, look at how long it took for Weis & Crennel to get their jobs. Or tons of other coordinators who are always on the verge of HC jobs but don't get them.

I think what is lost sight of here is how rare & difficult it is to get a HC job in the NFL. There are only 32 of them available, and maybe 5-6 on average openings a year.

If you have a chance at one, you jump at it. You're an idiot not to. Strike while the iron is hot. What happens if there are more injuries and the D tanks it next year, and never recovers, and some of the golden boy sheen rubs off EM? He might have to wait years and years for another chance, if one even materializes.

He did the right thing for him and his family. Yeah, its not an ideal HC situation, but at the end of the day its a HC situation.

Any other coordinator or asst. coach in the league would have done the same thing.

He jumps now and in three years he gets fired by the Jets and he's stuck coaching high school football in Connecticut.

or;

He stays here, maybe 2 or 3 years. The Pats have one of the top D's in the league those three years. He can then write his ticket to where he wants to coach.

Do you want to make $2-3 million now and in a couple years be an afterthought. Or wait that two or three years and be set for life.

 

[tombonneau]

He jumps now and in three years he gets fired by the Jets and he's stuck coaching high school football in Connecticut.

or;

He stays here, maybe 2 or 3 years. The Pats have one of the top D's in the league those three years. He can then write his ticket to where he wants to coach.

Do you want to make $2-3 million now and in a couple years be an afterthought. Or wait that two or three years and be set for life.

Guys who were NFL HCs (unless their last name is Kotite) don't vanish from the NFL. There will always be decent paying asst. and DC jobs out there for a guy with 3 SB rings.

In response to the other post, yes, just bc there are 5-6 positions avail. a year, you could still end up waiting years and years for a a position to be avialable. Its not like it will be EM and 6 other guys going up for HC jobs every year.

Do I think the Jets are stupid for offering a ton of $$ to EM? Yes.

Do I think EM is stupid for accepting tons of $$ to become the HC of the #1 market in the world? No. Like I said, the upside for him far outweighs the downside.

Unless EM is a huge unbelievable bust as a coach, I mean on Kotite like levels, he'll be fine, even if he flames out as the HC.

Look, confirmed turds like Norv Turner and friggin Dennis Erickson continue to get NFL HC jobs, so EM will be ok

The continued hiring of retreads like the above only adds fuel to the arguement for EM to make the leap. Some owners feel more comfortable hiring guys with previous HC experience, so if you have the chance to get some under your belt you take it.