Kyle Love released

[Fencer]

Wondering why we didn't trade Deaderick and Love. Jax picked up Deaderick off waivers and I expect Love to also be picked up. I suspect there is at least one more team with lower priority interested in these capable players.

I'd guess an attempt was made to net a 7th round pick.

 

[Oswlek]

Crap like this is why it's quite easy to detest this coach.
I literally laughed out loud when Bill's toady Tom E Curran tried to explain it away by dismissing the diabetes talk and saying the Pats were going 4 -3 and didn't need Love.

It's easy to detest a lot of things when you are allowed to pass judgement without understanding the entire picture.

 

[Fencer]

Seymour might be a nice pickup if he's interested

One more thought on the Seymour subject:

Maybe it's not Richard Seymour who hates the Pats. Maybe it's his wife and kids. After all, they're the ones who suffered more directly from the timing of his trade to Oakland.

 

[Miguel]

I'm not buying the diabtetes as a reason for his release. That seems more like media hyperbole trying to paint BB as the cold, heartless SOB they want him to be.

It was the Patriots who used the phrase "Non-Football Injury" in his release, not the media.

WAIVER REQUESTS (All are NO RECALL)
DALLAS
Price, Brian DT UCLA From Reserve/Injured Injury Settlement

HOUSTON
O'Neill, Dann T Western Michigan
Winn, George RB Cincinnati

JACKSONVILLE
Nady, Jeff T Nevada

MIAMI
Alecxih, Chas DT Pittsburgh Injured
Scales, Patrick LS Utah State

NEW ENGLAND
Love, Kyle DT Mississippi State Non-Football Illness

TENNESSEE
Jefferson, Stefphon RB Nevada

If it is not the diabetes, what was Kyle's Non Football Illness?
Why include the phrase Non-Football Illness in his release?

 

[voluntarysaftey]

One more thought on the Seymour subject:

Maybe it's not Richard Seymour who hates the Pats. Maybe it's his wife and kids. After all, they're the ones who suffered more directly from the timing of his trade to Oakland.

I don't know, the bay area is a nicer place to live in my opinion than the northeast.

 

[Yesares]

must have loved what grissom/robertson/vellano/cherrington showed at minicamp (they already held it right?)...can't find any other reasonable explanation. Type-2 diabetes usually isn't something that prevents you from performing well, as a lot of athletes have already shown.

Robertson is no longer in roster. He was released monday after draft.

Depth Chart for Patriots Defensive Tackle as now:

(0 technique, Nose Tackle type): Wilfork, Cory Grissom (2013 UDFA), Dwayne Cherrington (2013 UDFA)

(3 technique, Under Tacle type): Kelly, Armstead, Marcus Forston (2012 UDFA), Joe Vellano (2013 UDFA).

Very probably Pats are going to add a veteran Nose Tackle type before minicamp, and perhaps after 1st june cuts.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Crap like this is why it's quite easy to detest this coach.
I literally laughed out loud when Bill's toady Tom E Curran tried to explain it away by dismissing the diabetes talk and saying the Pats were going 4 -3 and didn't need Love.

Thanks for bring a different perspective, that of a Jets fan, to the board

 

[Kontradiction]

The funny thing about those "inexplicable" cuts is that they were entirely justified by season's end. Meriweather was a complete disaster in Chicago and Sanders was an early offseason cut by Atlanta. Ultimately, NE ended up with the #1 seed in the AFC anyway and a playoff defense that didn't miss either safety.

All their releases cost NE was a few spots on the pass defense rankings.

And possibly a Super Bowl when the pass defense couldn't get the Giants off the field without a few first downs taking place, thus being unable to flip field position.

 

[Fencer]

I don't know, the bay area is a nicer place to live in my opinion than the northeast.

The timing of the move (after the school year started) is what he was complaining about.

I'm guessing they found a place to live and a school district in a panicked hurry. What other choice did they have, other than having the family stay behind here will Dad went off to work on the other side of the country?

Yes, a lot of athletes and their families make just that choice. But while Seymour would be over-the-top if he made too much fuss about it, I can easily see why he'd bear a sullen grudge, or -- for the sake of his family and his relationship with same -- pretend to.

 

[Kontradiction]

Pouha? If we could get him for vet min and let him compete for a backup role.

I like that idea. Would not mind at all seeing Pouha added to the team. IMO, he could be an upgrade to what Love was able to give us last season.

 

[ALP]

At this point I imagine there's a possible trade being finalized....who's on the block?

 

[BadMoFo]

Kind of thought this would come out.

Patriots’ decision to cut Love looks like disability discrimination
Posted by Mike Florio on May 16, 2013, 8:56 AM EDT
KyleLove Getty Images

The ruthless nature of football decision-making has resulted in plenty of fans and reporters becoming desensitized to the human element of these moves. And that causes us all, in some situations, to miss potential violations of human rights.

For former Patriots defensive tackle Kyle Love, the facts as communicated by his agent to the media (and not yet refuted by the Patriots) point to the conclusion that the team cut Love because Love has Type-2 diabetes. And that points to a potential violation of the federal Americans with Disabilities Act and any Massachusetts laws covering a persons rights when it comes to certain physical and medical conditions.

The labor deal omits actual or perceived disability as a ground on which discrimination is prohibited by Article 49 of the document. That decision likely was aimed at preventing players from arguing that the cruel-but-inevitable decision to strip a roster spot from an older, damaged player and give it to a younger guy resulted from physical conditions that the team should have found a way to reasonably accommodate.

Still, rights not covered by a labor deal typically exist beyond the four corners of a Collective Bargaining Agreement, allowing the employee to file suit. While suing the Patriots could make it harder for Love to continue his NFL elsewhere, a decision to lump it doesn’t mean the Patriots properly respected his legal rights.

Unless there’s more to the story (and there could be), it appears that the Patriots preferred not having to deal with a diabetic player, presuming he could miss practice time or game time or who could have a hard time keeping his weight at the right level or otherwise create issues or distractions a healthy player doesn’t. If there is more to the story — if, for example, Love has been teetering on the brink of Type-2 diabetes and the team had been working with him to improve his diet and he nevertheless failed to comply with efforts to keep him from acquiring the disease — the Patriots need to make that known. (Though that wouldn’t necessarily make the move legal and proper, it would make the team’s swift reaction to the diagnosis more understandable.)

Absent an explanation, a head coach whom many believe to be heartless will appear that way. Even worse, it will reinforce the perception that Bill Belichick does whatever he wants, daring those whose rights may have been violated to do something about it.

 

[BTTA]

Depth Chart for Patriots Defensive Tackle as now:

(0 technique, Nose Tackle type): Wilfork, Cory Grissom (2013 UDFA), Dwayne Cherrington (2013 UDFA)

(3 technique, Under Tacle type): Kelly, Armstead, Marcus Forston (2012 UDFA), Joe Vellano (2013 UDFA).

I know size isn't everything, but it matters. I don't know about the differences between "0" and "3", but the "DL" and "DT" listing on the roster:

Experienced big guys: Wilfork, Kelly. Wilfork is one of the best, Kelly an uncertainty, at least to us at this point. Both have the size to hold down the middle on running plays.

UDFA: Forston, Vellano, Grissom, Cherrington. Forston has made it through a year with the team without being cut or given significant playing time. Only Cherrington has the size (335) to hold down the middle on running plays.

Armstead is listed as a DE by the team. Who knows?

Some of these guys are of the size we normally associate with DE's, but could rush from inside on passing downs: Vellano (285), Armstead (298), Forston (305). Grissom (316) is a 'tweener - almost a heavyweight, almost a DE size.

So was the use of Cunningham (255) as an interior rusher last year an act of desperation or an indicator that size doesn't matter as much for interior DL on passing downs?

 

[BTTA]

Kind of thought this would come out.

Let's not honor this by commenting on it. And please, people, don't click on it.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

If the Pats released Love for football reasons, it's a case of "In BB I trust."

If they released him because of his Type 2 Diabetes when he still thought he could play, I don't get that. Type 2 Diabetes itself would not necessarily stand in the way of his getting into playing condition over the next couple of months. He should have been given a chance to prove that he could play with the disease. If this is why he was released, I hope another team gives him a chance.

 

[fgssand]

Robertson is no longer in roster. He was released monday after draft.

Depth Chart for Patriots Defensive Tackle as now:

(0 technique, Nose Tackle type): Wilfork, Cory Grissom (2013 UDFA), Dwayne Cherrington (2013 UDFA)

(3 technique, Under Tacle type): Kelly, Armstead, Marcus Forston (2012 UDFA), Joe Vellano (2013 UDFA).

Very probably Pats are going to add a veteran Nose Tackle type before minicamp, and perhaps after 1st june cuts.

So, Kelly and arm stead in, love,deaderick and Pryor out. Add one player and we are back to where we were, only, IMHO, better as Kelly is best of this bunch by far. Kelly next to wilfork is way better than anything we fielded last year.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

Let's not honor this by commenting on it. And please, people, don't click on it.

We're not in the business of stifling ideas and their discussion out here, so I did "click on it."

I read the piece. It raises a legitimate concern and issue. The Patriots may well have a reasonable "football" explanation for their action, but the question is a fair one at this point.

 

[NE_PATS_FAN_54]

Little bit of hyperbole, isn't it?

4 6th rounders or later and another who was graded out as a UDFA in the 4th? What kind of success do you expect from that group? Hell, having two of them still in the league in their third years is actually a positive, as was Deaderick, who was good enough start as a rookie 7th round pick. Only Brace stands out as a genuine swing and miss, though you neglected to mention Marquise Hill, who might've been worse than Brace.

Over that same time, however, NE also snagged Mike Wright and Kyle Love who were both very successful UDFAs.

Really, the only conclusion one can draw from that data is that, for whatever reason, NE hasn't invested draft capital on the DL since 2004.

I left Marquise Hill out because I focused on their drafts after 2004 (Hill drafted in '04) and because he was used more as a defensive end. But you are right, before the tragedy he certainly did not live up to his draft position.

I also agree with the fact that they didn't invest any capital into the DT position. That's what I have a problem with. When they did (Brace), they blew it big time. Sure they hit on Wright and Love (and maybe Forston), but going forward, they seem to be in trouble at the position. Their lack of investment in the position lead them to go out and reach on Fanene (wasted approx. $4M I believe), pursue Red Bryant (unsuccessfully) and have to reach on a player on the backend of his career who plays when he wants to (Tommy Kelly). Jury is still out on Kelly and he has largely been durable throughout his career but it remains to be seen how he fits in with the group. In summation, they now have a lack of depth at the position with largely unproven guys behind #75. That all can be traced back to the lack of draft capital and misses in the draft.

 

[Kontradiction]

Kind of thought this would come out.

Not altogether sure of the law side of it. If Deus wasn't on hiatus, he'd be able to shed more light on it. But, as an armchair lawyer, I would think that the Pats did Love a favor. Nobody ever wants to lose their job over a health condition, of course. But if Love was ordered to lose weight by his doctor to improve his health, he would no longer be useful for what the team needed him to do. Thus, an early cut to help his chances to latch on with another team that may be able to use him better than the Pats would at this point. Of course, that's just a best guess on my part though.

 

[Pats0204]

We're not in the business of stifling ideas and their discussion out here, so I did "click on it."

I read the piece. It raises a legitimate concern and issue. The Patriots may well have a reasonable "football" explanation for their action, but the question is a fair one at this point.

I completely disagree. Belichick and / or the Patriots dont owe you or anyone else an explanation. They felt he was unable to do his job due to his medical condition and recent weight loss. PERIOD!

NFL players are employees at will and can be cut at any time for any reason. End of story.