Kraft on Aaron Hernandez

[sb1]

This clip has to be missing some context. No way Kraft is really saying what it sounds like he said here. And in a public interview.

 

[DC Patriots]

Punctuation is important here. I don’t think he’s condoning murder

 

[Mayeniac]

Don't worry about it that documentary is a few years old and was trash when it was released. Still trash.

 

[PatsFan2]

This clip has to be missing some context. No way Kraft is really saying what it sounds like he said here. And in a public interview.

Some things are best kept to one's self.

 

[TheRainMaker]

I think Bobby was baiting Aaron into telling him the truth. Aaron didn’t take the bait.

 

[Hugepatsfan]

I took this to mean asking him if he did it in self defense and then if so saying they'd get a lawyer to help him prove that and how it was justified. Obviously did not prove to be the case here, but killing in self defense is a thing sometimes.

 

[A Defiant Goose]

I took this to mean asking him if he did it in self defense and then if so saying they'd get a lawyer to help him prove that and how it was justified. Obviously did not prove to be the case here, but killing in self defense is a thing sometimes.

Yeah this was obvious to me here

 

[TheRainMaker]

I took this to mean asking him if he did it in self defense and then if so saying they'd get a lawyer to help him prove that and how it was justified. Obviously did not prove to be the case here, but killing in self defense is a thing sometimes.

Yeah this was obvious to me here

It would've been a weak case given the victim was clearly outnumbered and ambushed. The prosecution's case against Aaron was weak and he would've gotten acquitted had the rental car employee not found the used gum in the car. That's got to be the dumbest way to ever get caught.

 

[lancerman]

You can pass on some questions

 

[ViperGTS]

It would've been a weak case given the victim was clearly outnumbered and ambushed. The prosecution's case against Aaron was weak and he would've gotten acquitted had the rental car employee not found the used gum in the car. That's got to be the dumbest way to ever get caught.

Yeah nobody understands that type of world unless you live in it. Sucks but it's true. Most criminals are grade A stupid and thats why they get caught.

 

[Hugepatsfan]

It would've been a weak case given the victim was clearly outnumbered and ambushed. The prosecution's case against Aaron was weak and he would've gotten acquitted had the rental car employee not found the used gum in the car. That's got to be the dumbest way to ever get caught.

I don't think the context here was that he actually had a case for self defense. I believe the conversation kraft was recalling was before al the specifics came out. It was just after hearing the initial charges he asked Hernandez if he did it and let him know that if he did it for a "good reason" (which I believe he meant in self defense) he'd help him with the lawyers.

I think the context here is just that Kraft naively believed Hernandez was a good person who wouldn't kill someone out of evil like he did so he defaulted to "well if he did it then it must have been in self defense".

 

[TheRainMaker]

I don't think the context here was that he actually had a case for self defense. I believe the conversation kraft was recalling was before al the specifics came out. It was just after hearing the initial charges he asked Hernandez if he did it and let him know that if he did it for a "good reason" (which I believe he meant in self defense) he'd help him with the lawyers.

I think the context here is just that Kraft naively believed Hernandez was a good person who wouldn't kill someone out of evil like he did so he defaulted to "well if he did it then it must have been in self defense".

What would Hernandez be doing at that industrial site where Llyod was killed? The location of where the victim was found throws the defense question right out the door. Bob was baiting Aaron to see if he bite in telling the truth, but didn't.

 

[Nehalem]

So when exactly did he say that to Hernandez?

Is it possible it was before most of the damning facts came out and he was assuming Hernandez wasn't a reasonable person?

 

[Hugepatsfan]

What would Hernandez be doing at that industrial site where Llyod was killed? The location of where the victim was found throws the defense question right out the door. Bob was baiting Aaron to see if he bite in telling the truth, but didn't.

Again, no one is saying he has a good case for self defense or that it would hold up. You're story of "baiting him into telling the truth" story seems way off. The conversation Kraft is referencing here took place before the facts of who was where and when really got hashed out. He's not asking Hernandez this question from the place of someone who reviewed the case details and is trying to trap him. He's asking this after just hearing he got caught up in it and not being able to process that someone whose character he trusted would do this out of evil. He goes on to talk about how finding out Hernandez lied to him here once the details came out caused him to re-evaluate how he trusted people.

I just don't really understand how you're getting to your interpretation of things.

 

[Hugepatsfan]

So when exactly did he say that to Hernandez?

Is it possible it was before most of the damning facts came out and he was assuming Hernandez wasn't a reasonable person?

Yes, I believe in the immediate aftermath of the rumors coming about that Hernandez was involved in a murder he was working out at the team facility and that's where Kraft talked to him. If I recall correctly, this might have been before he was even arrested.

 

[AQPE]

The Scatback never knows when to just STFU. Unfortunately The Nebbish has the same problem, without his dad’s warmth.

 

[PatsFan219]

Had Hernandez not been what he was his career would’ve been fascinating to watch play out. Truly tragic.

 

[Sorrynotsorry]

Kraft has done some stupid things... this was not one of them.

Giving a dude the benefit of the doubt before the facts come out... is how our justice system is supposed to work.

In this case.

Hernandez ended up where he belonged.

 

[Pape]

What would Hernandez be doing at that industrial site where Llyod was killed? The location of where the victim was found throws the defense question right out the door. Bob was baiting Aaron to see if he bite in telling the truth, but didn't.

i think you got this completely wrong... i believe the memory Kraft is reflecting on was prior to all the details being released to the public... The team knew he was in trouble but absent the details of what actually transpired... i truly believe Kraft was being straightforward and honest about his initial interaction with AH when things started to come to light...

my ¢2 ... ymmv


at the end of it, this is the worst incident in team history, and one of the worst in league history... the human cost to the victims, to his family is unimaginable... and all the peripheral damage that came as a result... leading to AH taking his own life... just a sad, sordid affair that never should have happened...