KC Chiefs colluding with the NFL does not add up.

[Pacific Coast Patriot]

If it was one call, or even a couple of games ok sure it happens...

But almost EVERY game, and key moment within it? Wake up and smell the coffee... the tinfoil hat brigade in this instance are the people with their heads in the sand that nothing fishy is going on.

The refs know it's absolutely in their interest to have the Chiefs win, and keep the money train rolling for their sports entertainment employers... they're not robots, they know the game.

Do I think there's a league wide memo sent out and a paper trail? Of course not! But the refs know full well what they are doing, letting their emotions/career aspirations get involved and sucking up to those with power in their organisation. This happens in every business it just so happens to be occurring in the NFL. I used to laugh at people saying sports were rigged, but this is as clear as day favoritism.

Look up the terrible call that handed them the last Eagles Super Bowl if you're ever unsure on this.

 

[Guts]

No conspiracy
Do they get the calls ? Yes (alot of dynasty teams do though) but for the most part opposing teams have been ******ed.

 

[Guts]

And for the last time refs favoring the Chiefs have nothing to do with us. We are an after thought lol

 

[40yrpatsfan]

I don't think it's a conspiracy, but there's a gargantuan play-review problem. The NFL is not committed to getting the calls right, they'd rather rush onto the next play. I don't even blame the guys on the field, but for EVERY game there needs to be a 2nd crew watching who can pause the action to review, and EVERY game should have the same number of cameras (placed everywhere). People don't care if this adds 5-10 minutes to the length of a game, or if there's 10 reviews per game. It shouldn't even be on the coaches/teams to have to throw a flag. The call on the field should have no bearing on the review, cause it's often wrong. ANY type of wrong call or missed call should be reviewable and correctable. And whoever decided that Allen didn't make that 1st down should be fired.

College football and the NBA both have a much better handle on this than the NFL. The league office should hire Musk to go in and clean house on the rules committee cause they're never going to fix it on their own. Too stuck in their ways.

 

[PWRxWLF]

He’s also added flopping to his repertoire. Brady and Montana never did that crap, that is beneath an all-time great. I lost some respect for Pat when I saw that.

Its a good thing Brady didnt make a habit of flopping. He was terrible at it. I remember one attempted flop against the jests. It was awful. Google it. Im sure youll find it.

 

[lancerman]

Dynasties are complexe. Bad teams, when they get a break, rarely make you pay for it. But great teams only need a little opening to hurt you on the next few plays. And, as such, their importance is amplified : they make plays immediately after a call + they are playing the games that matter and that have eyeballs……. On many occasions, one slip up / weird call & Brady would pounce.

Yup. The entire Pats dynasty would have fans harp on one call or play a game and say "see the Pats always get breaks". The calls that went the other way against the Pats and now the Chiefs end up being ignored and disregarded because the other team rarely capitalizes and thus that call "looks" like it had less of an impact on the game.

 

[lancerman]

I don't think it's a conspiracy, but there's a gargantuan play-review problem. The NFL is not committed to getting the calls right, they'd rather rush onto the next play. I don't even blame the guys on the field, but for EVERY game there needs to be a 2nd crew watching who can pause the action to review, and EVERY game should have the same number of cameras (placed everywhere). People don't care if this adds 5-10 minutes to the length of a game, or if there's 10 reviews per game. It shouldn't even be on the coaches/teams to have to throw a flag. The call on the field should have no bearing on the review, cause it's often wrong. ANY type of wrong call or missed call should be reviewable and correctable. And whoever decided that Allen didn't make that 1st down should be fired.

College football and the NBA both have a much better handle on this than the NFL. The league office should hire Musk to go in and clean house on the rules committee cause they're never going to fix it on their own. Too stuck in their ways.

The truth is the NFL as a business cares more about money and how entertaining the product is over it being correct down to a science. They look at a sport like baseball that is suffering and say "hell no are we going to make every single exciting event be put under a microscope and slow this thing down".

The reason the NFL doesn't have a skyjudge is simply because they don't think spending money on a guy who will slow down the product benefits the bottom line in anyways even it will objectively help get things right over and over again.

 

[Boogs]

Josh Allens failed 4th and 1 call had no clear evidence that he made the marker. The contested catch where the DB and WR both had the ball goes to the WR. Tie goes to the offense and the ball can hit the ground so long as it does not move. The calls for roughing the passer wont be called if you dont get near Mahomes head.

KC is just better. Better GM, HC, QB, DC, ST.

KC is a great team, but up to this point I've seen too many calls that force me to believe some of the NFL is rigged.

But I do like your avatar

 

[Triumph]

KC is a great team, but up to this point I've seen too many calls that force me to believe some of the NFL is rigged.

But I do like your avatar

Does Mahomes get preferential treatment? Yes, especially with CTE. The NFL claims that cases have decreased.

Brady received protection as well towards the end of his career.

 

[lancerman]

If it was one call, or even a couple of games ok sure it happens...

But almost EVERY game, and key moment within it? Wake up and smell the coffee... the tinfoil hat brigade in this instance are the people with their heads in the sand that nothing fishy is going on.

The refs know it's absolutely in their interest to have the Chiefs win, and keep the money train rolling for their sports entertainment employers... they're not robots, they know the game.

Do I think there's a league wide memo sent out and a paper trail? Of course not! But the refs know full well what they are doing, letting their emotions/career aspirations get involved and sucking up to those with power in their organisation. This happens in every business it just so happens to be occurring in the NFL. I used to laugh at people saying sports were rigged, but this is as clear as day favoritism.

Look up the terrible call that handed them the last Eagles Super Bowl if you're ever unsure on this.

Fans of every other team used to say this about us weekly when we were a dynasty.

The SB will be watched whether the Chiefs make it or not.

 

[Vindicate]

Here's something to consider:

The Chiefs have had 12 games this year determined by one score, be it a TD or FG. That's twelve games where ref flags just seem more important than most games. That's where our bias of the flags having an inordinate effect really comes through.

I think that is the statistical anomaly here. I imagine, in the past two decades, very few teams have rode the wire so close between a win and loss, and come up with a win.

What I think most people are frustrated with is it highlighting how often refs can get the call wrong, which normally blends in a little more when there is a clear winner/loser before the flags come flying, from a score perspective.

I think the most likely conclusion isn't collusion, but that the Chiefs have been partially propped up this season by dumbass refs. The same dumbass refs that robbed us in Carolina. The same dumbass refs that take the field, week in and week out.

 

[lancerman]

Here's something to consider:

The Chiefs have had 12 games this year determined by one score, be it a TD or FG. That's twelve games where ref flags just seem more important than most games. That's where our bias of the flags having an inordinate effect really comes through.

I think that is the statistical anomaly here. I imagine, in the past two decades, very few teams have rode the wire so close between a win and loss, and come up with a win.

What I think most people are frustrated with is it highlighting how often refs can get the call wrong, which normally blends in a little more when there is a clear winner/loser before the flags come flying, from a score perspective.

I think the most likely conclusion isn't collusion, but that the Chiefs have been partially propped up this season by dumbass refs. The same dumbass refs that robbed us in Carolina. The same dumbass refs that take the field, week in and week out.

The Chiefs remind me a lot of the 2015 Broncos. A defensively driven team that is led by a super star QB who isn't playing lights out. Because Mahomes and Manning were not putting up Star Wars numbers and the defenses were grinding out close games, for most of the season people considered them a "weaker team" because they were having close games vs everyone with low scores. Now that it's happened so much people started waking up to the "oh **** the defense is just really good and these guys are motivated dig down and win a dog fight all game even if the offense isn't pulling their weight.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Not sure what to make of it all tbh. Its pretty telling what we’ve been hearing though lately. Reporters asking mahomes to his face who his favorite ref is, the league/commish actually releasing a statement regarding the noise around officiating. People complained about us but the allegations were never this open. I just saw this quote from Rashod Batemen:

 

[rochrist]

Josh Allens failed 4th and 1 call had no clear evidence that he made the marker. The contested catch where the DB and WR both had the ball goes to the WR. Tie goes to the offense and the ball can hit the ground so long as it does not move. The calls for roughing the passer wont be called if you dont get near Mahomes head.

KC is just better. Better GM, HC, QB, DC, ST.

They had the first down on third, let alone on fourth.

 

[40yrpatsfan]

The truth is the NFL as a business cares more about money and how entertaining the product is over it being correct down to a science. They look at a sport like baseball that is suffering and say "hell no are we going to make every single exciting event be put under a microscope and slow this thing down".

The reason the NFL doesn't have a skyjudge is simply because they don't think spending money on a guy who will slow down the product benefits the bottom line in anyways even it will objectively help get things right over and over again.

The extra cost is insignificant. The NBA sometimes takes several minutes to review a call and usually that’s fine if fans can see how close a call it is.
In big games we can’t have wrong calls affect the outcome. Fans want that more than anything.

 

[Vindicate]

The Chiefs remind me a lot of the 2015 Broncos. A defensively driven team that is led by a super star QB who isn't playing lights out. Because Mahomes and Manning were not putting up Star Wars numbers and the defenses were grinding out close games, for most of the season people considered them a "weaker team" because they were having close games vs everyone with low scores. Now that it's happened so much people started waking up to the "oh **** the defense is just really good and these guys are motivated dig down and win a dog fight all game even if the offense isn't pulling their weight.

I mostly agree but also have the devil on my other shoulder saying: it is pretty goddamn annoying how a flag snatched the win from the other team's jaws so often this season. It does make me respect this season of the Chiefs less than a typical one for them.

However, that being said, and I think to your point, I try to think of what BB would say, and I imagine it'd be something like: you didn't lose because of the flag, you lost because you put your team's fate in the hands of the flag.

Buuuuttttt **** the Chiefs lol. I'm torn lmao. Genuinely takes effort on my end to remain objective in this discussion lol. I do think you're largely correct.

 

[aluminum seats]

My favorite in the championship game was when Buffalo had their last ditch pass that fell incomplete

“There’s a flag down!” But it turns out they didn’t need the flag so Nantz says I was told there was a flag but OK I guess there’s not….

Hilarious

 

[lancerman]

I mostly agree but also have the devil on my other shoulder saying: it is pretty goddamn annoying how a flag snatched the win from the other team's jaws so often this season. It does make me respect this season of the Chiefs less than a typical one for them.

However, that being said, and I think to your point, I try to think of what BB would say, and I imagine it'd be something like: you didn't lose because of the flag, you lost because you put your team's fate in the hands of the flag.

Buuuuttttt **** the Chiefs lol. I'm torn lmao. Genuinely takes effort on my end to remain objective in this discussion lol. I do think you're largely correct.

Exactly, when games are close, flags have an outsized impact. When a team is good at capitalizing on a teams mess ups and any opening they are given, like us and the Chiefs, the flags have an even bigger impact because those good teams will feast when given the benefit of them.

And yeah I hate the Chiefs and groan whenever they benefit from a flag or a call.

But it's kind of telling that for the last two weeks the biggest controversy in the NFL was the Bills not getting a first down and in two weeks the media nor any of the fans that pour through images can find a single angle that definitively shows it's a first down. A lot of it's just, most of us want the Chiefs to lose and hate when close iffy things go their way.

 

[lancerman]

The extra cost is insignificant. The NBA sometimes takes several minutes to review a call and usually that’s fine if fans can see how close a call it is.
In big games we can’t have wrong calls affect the outcome. Fans want that more than anything.

The NBA is tanking in the ratings and has been doing so for years.

I agree us as fans want it to be perfect. But to the NFL and really in just reality, this is an entertainment business first and a sport where getting things right is the top priority.

If the NFL really wanted to make the officiating perfect they could invest in 5x as many camera angles and have a sky judge review each one and give them the ability to buzz in at any point when they see something wrong. They just don't think the investment in that will have any impact.

The ROI can't simply be "fans and the media complain less".

 

[tuckeverlasting]

you can tell mahomes knows the refs are with him by the way he pulled up on the sideline and feigned getting hit and flopping out of bounds in the texans game. so whether there is collusion or not even the players are aware of favoritism by the refs to their team.