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Today in Patriots History
Doug Skene


June 17 birthdays are highlighted by an obscure Patriot, three pro football hall of famers, and low-lighted by a low-cost, high risk-reward swing and a miss.


Happy 51st birthday to Doug Skene
Born June 17, 1970 in Fairview, Texas
Patriot guard, 1993-1994; uniform #74
Signed off the Saints practice squad on November 2, 1993


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Doug Skene was an eighth round draft pick from Michigan by the Eagles in 1993, and the Pats picked the rookie up off waivers in November. Out of training camp in '94 Skene was the starting right guard, and played in the first six games for the Patriots. In an October game against the Raiders he was making a block when 310 pound Chester McGlockton fell on the back of his knee, resulting in season ending surgery. Skene came back in 1995 hoping to compete with Todd Rucci, who had finished the season at right guard. However the knee was still not 100%, and he elected to retire after being cut at the end of training camp.


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After his weight ballooned in his post-football career, Skene took up bicycle riding and dropped a whopping 50 pounds in six months. He is now a sales manager for Allegion, a company that provides 'security around the door and adjacent areas, producing everything from mechanical locks to advanced biometric scanning devices'.



 
Today in Patriots History
Albert Haynesworth


Happy 40th birthday to Albert Haynesworth
Born June 17, 1981 in Hartsville, South Carolina
Patriot DT, 2011; uniform #92
Acquired in a trade with Washington on July 28, 2011, for a 2013 fifth round pick

The 15th overall pick of the 2002 draft is most well known for his dirty play. At training camp in Tennessee he once kicked a teammate in the chest. Then in a game against the Cowboys, Haynesworth took off center Andre Gurode's helmet, and after missing on his first swing he stomped on his face, resulting in 30 stitches. Roger Goodell suspended Haynesworth a mere five games for that infraction. (Consider if you will that in comparison, the Komissar has suspended Tom Brady, Julian Edelman and Ben Watson four games each.) The Titans had finally seen enough and released Haynesworth, even though it meant eating $5.5 million in cap space - a very large percentage at that time. That didn't stop other teams from drooling over the two-time All Pro and 2008 Defensive Player of the Year when he hit free agency though.


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Haynesworth signed a seven year $100 million contract with Washington, even though Tampa Bay offered $120 million in no state income tax Florida. Haynesworth didn't like playing in a 3-4 in DC, clashed with coaches, and was eventually suspended. After two seasons Washington traded Haynesworth to the Patriots for a fifth round pick two years down the road.

The acquisition was a low risk, high upside move for New England. Haynesworth's 2011 salary was not exorbitant (it worked out to just $100,000 per game); Washington had already taken the brunt of the deal with the upfront money of a healthy signing bonus and guaranteed salary that had already been paid.


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In a week 8 game against the Giants the officials missed a hold on Haynesworth. After protesting to no avail he seemed to completely lose all focus and intensity, and was beaten badly on each of the next three plays - the last of which resulted in a 10-yard touchdown run. Haynesworth was replaced on the next series and did not get back on the field again, and was seen having very animated words on the sideline with coach Pepper Johnson. Two days later Haynesworth was released.


In six games with the Patriots he was on the field for 133 of 561 defensive snaps, missing two games with a back injury; his stat line consisted of two tackles and one assist. Unable to beat Kyle Love for a starting position alongside Vince Wilfork and with Gerard Warren and Ron Brace available for depth, Haynesworth was already expendable; the confrontation with Peppers after the poor play in the previous games made the decision an easy one.

While the popular perception is that trading for Haynesworth was a bad decision, in my humble opinion it was not. There was an imperceptible consequence on the salary cap, and the draft capital lost was next to nothing. Yes, the trade did not work out - but to me it was well worth the risk, with the quick exit minimizing any potential negative effects.






 
Today in Patriots History
Doug Skene


June 17 birthdays are highlighted by an obscure Patriot, three pro football hall of famers, and low-lighted by a low-cost, high risk-reward swing and a miss.


Happy 51st birthday to Doug Skene
Born June 17, 1970 in Fairview, Texas
Patriot guard, 1993-1994; uniform #74
Signed off the Saints practice squad on November 2, 1993


Player-Skene-Doug-244x300.jpg


Doug Skene was an eighth round draft pick from Michigan by the Eagles in 1993, and the Pats picked the rookie up off waivers in November. Out of training camp in '94 Skene was the starting right guard, and played in the first six games for the Patriots. In an October game against the Raiders he was making a block when 310 pound Chester McGlockton fell on the back of his knee, resulting in season ending surgery. Skene came back in 1995 hoping to compete with Todd Rucci, who had finished the season at right guard. However the knee was still not 100%, and he elected to retire after being cut at the end of training camp.


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After his weight ballooned in his post-football career, Skene took up bicycle riding and dropped a whopping 50 pounds in six months. He is now a sales manager for Allegion, a company that provides 'security around the door and adjacent areas, producing everything from mechanical locks to advanced biometric scanning devices'.





I gave the post a Winner just for that tweet alone...Truer words were never typed...
 
Today in Patriots History
Albert Haynesworth


Happy 40th birthday to Albert Haynesworth
Born June 17, 1981 in Hartsville, South Carolina
Patriot DT, 2011; uniform #92
Acquired in a trade with Washington on July 28, 2011, for a 2013 fifth round pick

The 15th overall pick of the 2002 draft is most well known for his dirty play. At training camp in Tennessee he once kicked a teammate in the chest. Then in a game against the Cowboys, Haynesworth took off center Andre Gurode's helmet, and after missing on his first swing he stomped on his face, resulting in 30 stitches. Roger Goodell suspended Haynesworth a mere five games for that infraction. (Consider if you will that in comparison, the Komissar has suspended Tom Brady, Julian Edelman and Ben Watson four games each.) The Titans had finally seen enough and released Haynesworth, even though it meant eating $5.5 million in cap space - a very large percentage at that time. That didn't stop other teams from drooling over the two-time All Pro and 2008 Defensive Player of the Year when he hit free agency though.


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Haynesworth signed a seven year $100 million contract with Washington, even though Tampa Bay offered $120 million in no state income tax Florida. Haynesworth didn't like playing in a 3-4 in DC, clashed with coaches, and was eventually suspended. After two seasons Washington traded Haynesworth to the Patriots for a fifth round pick two years down the road.

The acquisition was a low risk, high upside move for New England. Haynesworth's 2011 salary was not exorbitant (it worked out to just $100,000 per game); Washington had already taken the brunt of the deal with the upfront money of a healthy signing bonus and guaranteed salary that had already been paid.


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In a week 8 game against the Giants the officials missed a hold on Haynesworth. After protesting to no avail he seemed to completely lose all focus and intensity, and was beaten badly on each of the next three plays - the last of which resulted in a 10-yard touchdown run. Haynesworth was replaced on the next series and did not get back on the field again, and was seen having very animated words on the sideline with coach Pepper Johnson. Two days later Haynesworth was released.


In six games with the Patriots he was on the field for 133 of 561 defensive snaps, missing two games with a back injury; his stat line consisted of two tackles and one assist. Unable to beat Kyle Love for a starting position alongside Vince Wilfork and with Gerard Warren and Ron Brace available for depth, Haynesworth was already expendable; the confrontation with Peppers after the poor play in the previous games made the decision an easy one.

While the popular perception is that trading for Haynesworth was a bad decision, in my humble opinion it was not. There was an imperceptible consequence on the salary cap, and the draft capital lost was next to nothing. Yes, the trade did not work out - but to me it was well worth the risk, with the quick exit minimizing any potential negative effects.








And then there's this ****ing scumbag...Thanks a lot Bill; we coulda told you ourselves about him...and about OchoStinko too...
 
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More June 17 tidbits


Happy 37th birthday to David Herron
Born June 17, 1984 in Warren, Ohio
Patriot LB, 2007
Claimed off waivers from Minnesota on September 3, 2007

Every year one or two undrafted rookies overcome tall odds and make the week one 53-man. In 2007 there were two players to achieve this feat. One was quarterback Matt Gutierrez, who had signed with the Patriots right after the draft. The other was David Herron, a linebacker from Michigan State. Herron had spent the summer with Minnesota, and was allegedly a pawn in a battle between Bill Belichick and Viking coach Brad Childress.

Sep 6, 2007:

Vikings coach Brad Childress is the typical tight-lipped NFL coach, but he opened up on a radio interview last weekend. And Childress revealed an apparently tense conversation he had with New England Patriots coach Bill Belichick about a couple players each team wanted to pass through waivers and put on the practice squad.​

Childress said Belichick called to ask him not to claim tight end Garrett Mills, offering to avoid picking up a player the Vikings cut as a reward. Childress declined.​

"He didn't really care for that," Childress said Sunday morning on WCCO-AM. "He was trying to leverage, but you always find out who is honest and straightforward."​

So the Vikings claimed Mills, the Patriots claimed linebacker David Herron, and Childress later realized he said too much.​

"That's a case of me being a little too colorful," he said at his Wednesday news conference. "You guys wonder why I stand up here and go, 'Yep, no, and maybe so.' Bill's and my conversation should stay between Bill and myself."​


While Herron did survive cutdown day - he took a roster spot made available with the release of WR Reche Caldwell - he never did play a single down for the Pats. Herron was waived on September 11, eight days after being claimed off waivers, to make room for Chad Brown. Herron re-signed with Minnesota to their practice squad a day later and the following year did start three games with the Vikings. He later played with the Chiefs and Chargers, appearing in 28 games over four seasons. A few years later his brother Dan also made it to the NFL as a running back with the Colts.

As for Brad Childress? He and Minnesota fans took a premature victory lap when the Patriots traded Randy Moss to the Vikings in 2010 for a third round pick, gloating that the Pats had just handed their team the super bowl, and that he had totally swindled Bill Belichick with that trade. Instead the Vikes fell from 12-4 to 6-10, including a humbling 28-18 loss at Gillette that dropped their record to 2-5. Childress waived Moss after a mere four weeks in Minnesota, and Childress was fired three weeks after the loss to the Patriots.




Other pro football players born today with New England connections:
- Alec Anderson (6/17/94-11/14/53);
Somerville native who went to Boston College and Holy Cross.
Anderson was a guard who played briefly for the 1921 Washington (football) Senators.

- Jon Jenkins (6/17/26 - 6/30/99); Dartmouth alum was a tackle with the Colts and New York Yanks in 1949 (AAFC) and 1950 (NFL, after the two leagues merged).

- Ed Smith (6/17/13-1/29/98);
The man with a very generic name was a FB/QB/DB for the 1936 Boston Redskins.




Some of the notable NFL players born on this date:
- Kyle Boller, 40 (June 17, 1981); the Ravens were so desperate for a QB they traded their second round 2003 pick and 2004 first for the Pats first round (19th overall) pick of the 2003 draft, and used it on Boller. The Pats used the 2003 pick in a trade with Houston that allowed them to draft Eugene Wilson, and then selected Vince Wilfork with the Ravens' first rounder in 2004. Boller went 20-27 as a starting QB, and led to Brain Billick's being replaced as head coach in Baltimore.

- Elroy 'Crazy Legs' Hirsch (6/17/23-1/28/04); Hall of Fame end/halfback had an absolutely unheard of at that time season in 1951, catching 66 passes for 1,495 yards, averaging 22.7 yards per receptions and scoring 17 receiving touchdowns - in just 12 games.

- Bobby Bell, 81 (6/17/40); Nine-time Pro Bowl, Hall of Fame linebacker for the Chiefs played in 168 games, with 26 interceptions, nine fumble recoveries and nine touchdowns - including one on a kick return!

- Dermontti Dawson, 56 (6/17/65); Hall of Fame center was a six-time All Pro anchor for the Steelers in the nineties.

- Jason Hanson, 51 (6/17/70); kicker played in 333 games for the Lions and scored 2,150 points, which ranks as fourth most in NFL history.

- Wayne Hawkins, 83 (6/17/38); the Raider guard was named to five consecutive All Star teams but sadly now suffers from dementia[/URL] and CTE.
 
And then there's this ****ing scumbag...Thanks a lot Bill; we coulda told you ourselves about him...and about OchoStinko too...
Personally (and I know I am in the minority here) I give him a pass on Fat Albert for two reaons.

First, there was almost zero risk: a minimal contract with no bonus and no guarantees (pay was strictly on a per game basis); and second, they did not hesitate in the least to cut ties with him.


Ocho is a different story. The Pats signed him for what, $6 million? He had clearly lost some speed at age 33, and it should have been obvious to anybody that he would never be able to adapt to New England's offensive philosophy of reading the defense, and adjusting your route based on that.

A catch rate of under 50% (15 receptions on 32 targets) for 276 yards (that works out to 17 yards per game) and one touchdown.

Pitiful.
 
Personally (and I know I am in the minority here) I give him a pass on Fat Albert for two reaons.

First, there was almost zero risk: a minimal contract with no bonus and no guarantees (pay was strictly on a per game basis); and second, they did not hesitate in the least to cut ties with him.


Ocho is a different story. The Pats signed him for what, $6 million? He had clearly lost some speed at age 33, and it should have been obvious to anybody that he would never be able to adapt to New England's offensive philosophy of reading the defense, and adjusting your route based on that.

A catch rate of under 50% (15 receptions on 32 targets) for 276 yards (that works out to 17 yards per game) and one touchdown.

Pitiful.

Bill traded two 5th-rounders & a 6th for those two human sh!t-stains...Coulda had Marvin Jones with one of those 5ths...
 

Vikings coach Brad Childress is the typical tight-lipped NFL coach, but he opened up on a radio interview last weekend. And Childress revealed an apparently tense conversation he had with New England Patriots coach Bill Belichick about a couple players each team wanted to pass through waivers and put on the practice squad.​

Childress said Belichick called to ask him not to claim tight end Garrett Mills, offering to avoid picking up a player the Vikings cut as a reward. Childress declined.​

"He didn't really care for that," Childress said Sunday morning on WCCO-AM. "He was trying to leverage, but you always find out who is honest and straightforward."​

So the Vikings claimed Mills, the Patriots claimed linebacker David Herron, and Childress later realized he said too much.​

"That's a case of me being a little too colorful," he said at his Wednesday news conference. "You guys wonder why I stand up here and go, 'Yep, no, and maybe so.' Bill's and my conversation should stay between Bill and myself."​

Garrett Mills was a Terrible draft pick anyway, in both value & need, especially since TE David Thomas had already been taken with their previous pick.
 
Brad Childress... Wasn't that the asshat complaining about teams trading with New England?

Glad he was embarrassed and then **** canned because of New England...
 


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