Hit On Trevor Lawrence

[Clonamery]

Have you ever made an open field tackle? Have you ever been coached on how to successfully tackle a runner head on? Watch this video and see how they coach it and then watch Al-Shaair leading up to the milliseconds before Lawrence starts his slide.

If you don't see the difference between the Lawrence tackle and say, the Cooper DeJean tackle on Derrick Henry, don't know what to say.

Moving on.

 

[upstater1]

Im surprised no Patriot fan has mentioned that this is very similar to the hit on Drake Maye earlier this year that got him knocked out of a game. The hit wasn't even flagged.

Back when it happened, we talked about the fact that sliding puts QBs in a vulnerable position. If I'm a coach, I would teach QBs not to slide unless they are very far away from defenders. It's not worth it.

 

[Clonamery]

Im surprised no Patriot fan has mentioned that this is very similar to the hit on Drake Maye earlier this year that got him knocked out of a game. The hit wasn't even flagged.

Back when it happened, we talked about the fact that sliding puts QBs in a vulnerable position. If I'm a coach, I would teach QBs not to slide unless they are very far away from defenders. It's not worth it.

Someone mentioned it in another thread. **** happens not all players intentions or abilities are equal.

 

[bresna]

 

[bresna]

If you don't see the difference between the Lawrence tackle and say, the Cooper DeJean tackle on Derrick Henry, don't know what to say.

Moving on.

You are missing the point entirely. Al-Shaair was preparing to make an open field tackle of a runner. It became a nasty hit because Lawrence slid underneath the tackle motion, causing Al-Shaair's momentum to slam over the top of his body and smash into his helmet. If Lawrence isn't sliding there, Al-Shaair would have been in the ideal tackling position to stop the runner short of the 1st down line. He was propelling himself forward, going low & aiming for center mass. That's how it's coached.

I get that it became a nasty hit, but I agree with Brady that it's almost as much on Lawrence as it is on Al-Shaair.

 

[BTTA]

What's bugging me about this is everyone saying that Lawrence is ok. Nobody can know that he's ok. This could mess with his health 70 years from now. He did the first clench. His brain was shaken up. The fact that he's able to have a conversation does not mean this isn't a traumatic injury.

 

[Clonamery]

You are missing the point entirely. Al-Shaair was preparing to make an open field tackle of a runner. It became a nasty hit because Lawrence slid underneath the tackle motion, causing Al-Shaair's momentum to slam over the top of his body and smash into his helmet. If Lawrence isn't sliding there, Al-Shaair would have been in the ideal tackling position to stop the runner short of the 1st down line. He was propelling himself forward, going low & aiming for center mass. That's how it's coached.

I get that it became a nasty hit, but I agree with Brady that it's almost as much on Lawrence as it is on Al-Shaair.

Brady was saying that it is the OC's making it dangerous for QB's when outside the pocket by creating running plays for QB's who don't normally run (or have an instinct to run). In other words, they're asking for it.

The enforcement of the play is generally subjective and hence leaves it open to criticism in a scenario where the League has created more protection for an offensive position player due to $ and ability (given its stake in Fantasy Football and Gambling Apps). The defensive players wind up being short-shrifted for the most part.

The defender led with a forearm so he's no angel but 3 games is ridiculous when the League Office is the real problem (IMO).

 

[XLIX]

It was dirty. Anyone who can't see that is an imbecile.

 

[doesntmatter1]

There is an art to sliding imo. Slide early or not at all. I've seen many wrs go down early to prevent a big hit or keep clock running without completely sliding and opening themselves up to head shots.

 

[1960Pats]

It was dirty. Anyone who can't see that is an imbecile.

I also thought it was dirty but don't agree about people who disagree being imbeciles.

It only takes a fraction of a second to avoid a head shot like that and that dirtbag never tried to avoid anything. Plus I heard that he has a history of those kind of cheap shots and that led to his 3-game suspension.

Ryan Shazir should have been a wakeup call to all of the head hunters. Pittsburgh fought to allow those cheap shots and Shazir paid a high price for his team's ignorance.

 

[1960Pats]

There is an art to sliding imo. Slide early or not at all. I've seen many wrs go down early to prevent a big hit or keep clock running without completely sliding and opening themselves up to head shots.

The smart WRs hit the ground when they see a hit coming. In those cases the defenders can hit each other instead.

 

[Boomer B]

I don’t really see how anyone can defend that hit. Just looking at the angle he hits him at, if Lawrence hadn’t been sliding and was upright he would have had his knees blown out. He’s shown before he’s dirty with the choke on Brady and the hit on Caleb Williams.

 

[maust]

I think Lawrence getting hit by a defender under the circumstances of that particular slide isn't neccessarily dirty. The defender is committed to stopping the runner and short of being able to fly there's not a lot he could do to avoid contact. There are however two aggravating circumstances that raise this particular hit to the level of a cheap shot. First and worst is Al_Shaair raising his forearm to inflict a more punishing hit. He trys to maximise the impact of his blow rather than mitigate it. The second is nothing happens in a vacuum, Al-Shaair has a history and that'history removes any benefit of a doubt.



That said there's a very legit argument for making the faux slide or Kermit's patented fake out of bounds move an unsportsman like penalty. Both of those 'moves' make a mockery of the protections afforded a QB when he runs. That is a situation in serious need of redress

 

[AQPE]

Some guys play closer to the edge than most, and a few do cross the line. It is absolutely vital IMHO to enforce rules concerning blows to the head. It enrages me that the 245 Park Avenue clown car plays their corrupt games with selective enforcement of this type of thing while protesting so melodramaticly about their commitment to safety.

Given what we now know about his recent history, I think it is not unfair to consider Al-Shaair ia guy that plays too close to the edge at least and may be one of the few that does cross the line. It is his fault for playing that way and I don’t have sympathy for him getting punished. I saw Gronk get his knee blown up a bunch of years ago and read the same baloney about “what’s he supposed to do?” He needs to take this time to work on playing more under control and more considerate of safety.

Rodney Harrison is being excluded from the HOF because of his reputation for crossing the line. No one rational believes that John Lynch, Leroy Butler, or Steve Atwater were superior safeties during the same period. It sucks but this is a price he is paying for not doing a better job avoiding the things that brought him that reputation.

With all that being said, there is nothing about this that is cut and dried, it’s easy for some couch potato like me to sit there in judgment of what guys did in split seconds when their health and need to do their jobs well enough to keep their lifelong dreams alive is also on the line.