Good thoughts my mom had.

[nukin]

Adolph Hitler was NOT a born again Christian, so your question is silly.

I thought only your God can judge weither someone is a Christian or not...?

 

[3 to be 4]

Somehow it all comes together, doesn't it? Consider:

Hitler was a CHRISTIAN and a LUNATIC who INTERPRETED THE BIBLE LITERALLY, acknowledging that homosexuals and Jews would resist being "saved" and remain a threat to the homogenity of German society. Hence, the final solution -- exterminating them in the name of the Lord, as their "inferior" souls were going to hell anyway.

I'm doing great with God. How are you doing with God? It's obvious you're doing splendidly with religion, but the former remains a bit dubious.

P.S. I could care less about Woody Allen. As I recall, his stepdaughter was adopted so apparently the marriage is legal. I don't see where religion enters into it but on a spiritual level it just might be the proper path for both of them in this lifetime to learn whatever lessons are necessary for their souls to grow and evolve.

oy vay. the question was whether you could judge Judaism based on the actions of Woody Allen. It makes as much sense as judging Christianity based on Adolph Hitler.

As for your first inflammatory paragraph above, it is obvious you see Evangelical Christians, or any Bible based Christian, as lunatics whose aim is to eventually wipe out anybody they cant save.

At that point it becomes clear the discussion has been diverted from a topic of sin, an area you desperatly want to avoid with good reason, to a discussion on Adolph Hitler being the face of the Gospel of ************.
Not to mention revealing yourself as a person who finds nothing wrong with a guy dated and then marrying his stepdaughter. Hey, whatever floats your boat, right?

You've done good debating wise. I salute you for deftly changing the subject matter.

Perhaps I can get us back on track.

Are you a sinner, tunescribe?

 

[3 to be 4]

I thought only your God can judge weither someone is a Christian or not...?

Hitler denounced Christianity himself if you read the quotes from my earlier post. Somewho who claims to be a Christian as a young man to help spur his own political movement and then comes out with these quotes later on isnt a Christian. I suppose that you are right, in the final analysis God will be the judge. But this whole discussion about Adolph Hitler is a diversion from the discussion of sin. So for know, im done with the "Adolph is or isnt a Christian" sidebar. Whether he was or wasnt, it doesnt change what the Bible says about sin. All man has sin. It must be paid for. Jesus paid our debt. Acceptance of Him frees us of our sin and gives us eternal life.

 

[Tunescribe]

Are you a sinner, tunescribe?

Nope! But apparently you are.

 

[3 to be 4]

Nope! But apparently you are.

You've often used the words "Your interpretation" in regards to what I have to say about scripture. Is there an interpretation of the Bible that you've read which doesnt account for sin?

 

[wistahpatsfan]

Nope! But apparently you are.

Holy CRAP!

 

[3 to be 4]

Holy CRAP!

I miss Peter Boyle. Good show.

 

[Tunescribe]

You've often used the words "Your interpretation" in regards to what I have to say about scripture. Is there an interpretation of the Bible that you've read which doesnt account for sin?

Why are you so obsessed with "sin"? What a sad, fearful way to live. You would do so much better to heed Christ's message and life-example than remain mired in the negative dogma of religionism. I pray you someday see the light.

 

[Tunescribe]

Holy CRAP!

Make that two. Actually, "holy" crap sums things up here quite succinctly.

 

[3 to be 4]

Why are you so obsessed with "sin"? What a sad, fearful way to live. You would do so much better to heed Christ's message and life-example than remain mired in the negative dogma of religionism. I pray you someday see the light.

Im not obsessed with sin, im just trying to discuss it. In fact, Christs death on the Cross freed me from the bondage of it. Christs message was to believe in Him in order to be freed from sin and to have eternal life. The commission to the believer is to indeed heed his life-example and to carry the message of the Gospel to others.

Sin is an important matter because it condemns us. This is a consistant message in every interpretation of the Bible.

 

[wistahpatsfan]

Make that two. Actually, "holy" crap sums things up here quite succinctly.

Tunescribe is the first person I know of to claim to be a non-sinner. Congratulations, Tunescribe!

And you're right, this "debate" about mythology as if it were something real is entertaining...like sci-fi movies or porn. Dream on....

 

[Tunescribe]

Sin is an important matter because it condemns us. This is a consistant message in every interpretation of the Bible.

Wrong, pious breath. I am truly sorry you felt so condemned out of the starting gate; where you became so guilt ridden, ashamed and unworthy that you felt compelled to embrace religionist dogma. The concept of sin -- what constitues "sin" and what its ultimate consequences may or may not be -- is open to many, many interpretations.

 

[Tunescribe]

Tunescribe is the first person I know of to claim to be a non-sinner. Congratulations, Tunescribe!

Thanks! You can do it too! It's simple but not easy -- drop religionist dogma, embrace Christ's message, and follow his life example. You'll be too full of life and love to worry about "sin," Beezelbub, hades, seeing your first-born sacrificed, etc, etc.

 

[3 to be 4]

Wrong, pious breath. I am truly sorry you felt so condemned out of the starting gate; where you became so guilt ridden, ashamed and unworthy that you felt compelled to embrace religionist dogma. The concept of sin -- what constitues "sin" and what its ultimate consequences may or may not be -- is open to many, many interpretations.

please, go on.

 

[3 to be 4]

Thanks! You can do it too! It's simple but not easy -- drop religionist dogma, embrace Christ's message, and follow his life example. You'll be too full of life and love to worry about "sin," Beezelbub, hades, seeing your first-born sacrificed, etc, etc.

I agree about dropping Religion. all the trappings, all the showing up on Sunday, punching your time card, then going off and forgetting everything and devoting your life to either self, or "doing" doing" "doing" in order to look good or earn your way into favor.

Religion is empty. Relationship with God is where its at. Belief and Faith and Trust in Him is what matters. Not religion.

However, when you say, embrace Christs message, you leave out all his words regarding divinity. You leave what he said about sin. You leave out explaining what it means to follow his life example. Unless you go around restoring sight to the blind or raising the dead, exactly how are you following his example? By denying Him?

btw, no need to worry about the first born stuff. That was early on in the Book.

 

[Tunescribe]

I agree about dropping Religion. all the trappings, all the showing up on Sunday, punching your time card, then going off and forgetting everything and devoting your life to either self, or "doing" doing" "doing" in order to look good or earn your way into favor.
Religion is empty. Relationship with God is where its at. Belief and Faith and Trust in Him is what matters. Not religion.

Seems like lip service given your track record here, but very good!

However, when you say, embrace Christs message, you leave out all his words regarding divinity. You leave what he said about sin. You leave out explaining what it means to follow his life example. Unless you go around restoring sight to the blind or raising the dead, exactly how are you following his example? By denying Him?

No, no, no. You see, the divinity is embodied in Christ's WORD and EXAMPLE. Christ the man was merely the vehicle for this message. And his message was most certainly a DIVINE one. For the umpteenth time, remove your gaze from the finger and look to where it is pointing. Once you do that, you will figure out what all the business pertaining to sin/the devil/hell, etc., etc., truly pertains to. You need to figure this out for yourself for the meaning to sink in, I'm convinced of that.

 

[nukin]

Tunescribe is the first person I know of to claim to be a non-sinner. Congratulations, Tunescribe!

And you're right, this "debate" about mythology as if it were something real is entertaining...like sci-fi movies or porn. Dream on....

Or just do salvia

 

[wistahpatsfan]

Thanks! You can do it too! It's simple but not easy -- drop religionist dogma, embrace Christ's message, and follow his life example. You'll be too full of life and love to worry about "sin," Beezelbub, hades, seeing your first-born sacrificed, etc, etc.

I don't believe in "sin". I'm glad for you that you've found your happiness in simplicity, honestly. I already decided long ago to embrace his message on how to love people and turn from the material world. I am much happier than many friends of mine who compete against each others' 401K's, and they are all befuddled by my complete indifference to that game. The fact that I don't believe he is the son of God and that I must worship him drives people even more crazy. I don't go to church, I think the Bible is wierd and inconsequential, I don't do sacraments, I don't believe in the devil, all that jazz. But I am confident that I live a very "Christian" life, and everybody knows it. Drives them NUTS!

 

[Tunescribe]

I don't believe in "sin". I'm glad for you that you've found your happiness in simplicity, honestly. I already decided long ago to embrace his message on how to love people and turn from the material world. I am much happier than many friends of mine who compete against each others' 401K's, and they are all befuddled by my complete indifference to that game. The fact that I don't believe he is the son of God and that I must worship him drives people even more crazy. I don't go to church, I think the Bible is wierd and inconsequential, I don't do sacraments, I don't believe in the devil, all that jazz. But I am confident that I live a very "Christian" life, and everybody knows it. Drives them NUTS!

Good for you, I'm exactly the same as you where it comes to the material world -- it doesn't drive me at all. You at least seem to have put some thought into your spiritual path, which is more than can be said for this forum's primary contributor.

 

[3 to be 4]

Seems like lip service given your track record here, but very good!



No, no, no. You see, the divinity is embodied in Christ's WORD and EXAMPLE. Christ the man was merely the vehicle for this message. And his message was most certainly a DIVINE one. For the umpteenth time, remove your gaze from the finger and look to where it is pointing. Once you do that, you will figure out what all the business pertaining to sin/the devil/hell, etc., etc., truly pertains to. You need to figure this out for yourself for the meaning to sink in, I'm convinced of that.

lip service? Faith, Belief and trust in God? When have I ever backed off of that one, Tune? That message has been very consistant from me. When have I gone on about religious ritual such as church attendance, giving money, doing, doing, doing?

Your definition of "religion" is apparently different from mine. So we can agree to disagree about that one. No big deal.

As far as what Christs message, please, tell me what you base your "interpretation" on? The Christ is the finger message. Where does he say this??? Forget about me, Im nothing just love God like I do. He never says this. So give me more of a background where you are basing Christs lack of divinity. And please tell me again, what "interpretation" doesnt talk about sin?