Deossie why all the love

[spacecrime]

wheres all your facts on how good of a player he is , the ivy league is a steo above high school, and one of the weakest leagues in college if you dont get it its notour fault

What you are doing is the basis of discrimination and bias everywhere. You transfer the general characteristics of a group, and say this an individual must have these characterists because he is part of the group.

Most cornerbacks are African Americans. Okay. It is when you get to the "He is not black and therefore will not make a good cornerback" that you go astray.

Same with schools. Get over the fact that good players can come from small schools and bad players can come from big football conferences.

Are the odds against him? Certainly. But to say he can't play because he played fro Brown is asinine.

And who is "our" in our fault?

There is no "our" for you. You are the one who objects to the fact that everyone else thinks highly of the guy, a lost babe wailing in the deep dark woods.

And where is my list of 100 guys who had similar cone scores and had short NFL careers? Fact is, you do not know any such thing, just as you do not know anything about DeOssie except that he went to Brown or Mississippi Valley State or Southern Connecticut or wherever and therefore cannot play football because of that.

 

[patsgo]

What you are doing is the basis of discrimination and bias everywhere. You transfer the general characteristics of a group, and say this an individual must have these characterists because he is part of the group.

Most cornerbacks are African Americans. Okay. It is when you get to the "He is not black and therefore will not make a good cornerback" that you go astray.

Same with schools. Get over the fact that good players can come from small schools and bad players can come from big football conferences.

Are the odds against him? Certainly. But to say he can't play because he played fro Brown is asinine.

And who is "our" in our fault?

There is no "our" for you. You are the one who objects to the fact that everyone else thinks highly of the guy, a lost babe wailing in the deep dark woods.

And where is my list of 100 guys who had similar cone scores and had short NFL careers? Fact is, you do not know any such thing, just as you do not know anything about DeOssie except that he went to Brown or Mississippi Valley State or Southern Connecticut or wherever and therefore cannot play football because of that.

that is the stupid thing ive ever read, bringing race into a football forum you obviously dont understand my point, and you dont understand football or life

 

[patsgo]

that is the stupid thing ive ever read, bringing race into a football forum you obviously dont understand my point, and you dont understand football or life

you show your ignorance by saying that i said he cant play, all i said is i would draft him 6 or 7 i hope the can can play, this is friendly draft positioning talk, and you bring race into? go take a long walk

 

[mcbee]

Again you fail to bring any more to the table than the "His competition wasn't good" argument. How will that level of competition alone stop him from turning into a good pro? Why didn't it stop Matt Birk? Please stop reading from a script and bring a little more to the table.

The level of his competition won't prevent him from being a good pro, maybe, eventually.

But saying he was great at that level of competition doesn't mean much.

A lot of guys are great at that level of competition...and even levels of competition FAR ABOVE that. They still don't make it.

Basically,

He's a hometown boy
BB's ballboy
GREAT Ivy League linebacker
good workout numbers

therefore he's a great pick and a probable great player.

I disagree for all the reasons stated before. I think he's very iffy at best.

If he weren't a hometown pick and were someone else's ballboy (who threw a few passes one day in a scrimmage) would you be so high on him? Probably not.

 

[Jimke]

I'm glad that objective people like BB and Pioli make the choices

for the Pats. Deossie will be the choice only if he is BPA when

the Pats are on the board. In the past I think that some players

were selected just to please the fans. One example was Mike Ruth.

In 1986 I was quite unhappy when Reggie Dupard was selected in the

first round instead of Ruth. I was very happy a round later when Ruth was

selected. After a couple of years Ruth proved to be much too small

(265 pounds) to play in the NFL.

 

[patsgo]

from street and smiths"the level of competition is a concern and also he needs to get more aggressive says an afc scout"

from espn"small school product with questionable durablity"

from lindys"definetly a project"

a guess all these guys are racist too

 

[Major **********]

The level of his competition won't prevent him from being a good pro, maybe, eventually.

But saying he was great at that level of competition doesn't mean much.

He's a hometown boy
BB's ballboy
GREAT Ivy League linebacker
good workout numbers

therefore he's a great pick and a probable great player.

I disagree for all the reasons stated before. I think he's very iffy at best.

Nobody here is saying that the level of competition doesn't mean much. They are saying that its not the be all end all that you make it to be. If he had the same production and measurables at say BC people would be talking about him in the first or second round. So obviously the level of competition does matter to people.

Those are not the only reasons people are high on him. Smarts, character, intagibles, work ethic and that football is important to have a lot to do with how people view him (because thats what is more important to the Pats than just his level of competition). You somehow chose to ignore any of those and focus on the level of his competition. Do you know something we don't? All we have to go on is what people that have worked with him and what media types have said about him. Can you offer any sort of evidence that he does not poses any of the above stated qualities.
Again I ask you to offer more reasons as to why he is iffy other than the level of competition.

People are high on Gattis, Leonard, and a bunch of other people because of the above mentioned qualities. Every year there are people we elevate in rankings because of it. I could be wrong but none of them are hometown boys.

 

[patsgo]

Nobody here is saying that the level of competition doesn't mean much. They are saying that its not the be all end all that you make it to be. If he had the same production and measurables at say BC people would be talking about him in the first or second round. So obviously the level of competition does matter to people.

Those are not the only reasons people are high on him. Smarts, character, intagibles, work ethic and that football is important to have a lot to do with how people view him (because thats what is more important to the Pats than just his level of competition). You somehow chose to ignore any of those and focus on the level of his competition. Do you know something we don't? All we have to go on is what people that have worked with him and what media types have said about him. Can you offer any sort of evidence that he does not poses any of the above stated qualities.
Again I ask you to offer more reasons as to why he is iffy other than the level of competition.

People are high on Gattis, Leonard, and a bunch of other people because of the above mentioned qualities. Every year there are people we elevate in rankings because of it. I could be wrong but none of them are hometown boys.

people need to get their glasses, on no one said it was the end all,we said it was a major concern when using a 3 or 4 rounder , there are similair small school players just like him all around the country,why is he the only one we talk about? because hes local, bingo, get the point now?

 

[Major **********]

people need to get their glasses, on no one said it was the end all,we said it was a major concern when using a 3 or 4 rounder , there are similair small school players just like him all around the country,why is he the only one we talk about? because hes local, bingo, get the point now?

You have yet give anything more than the level of competition as to why he will be just a Special teamer. Read your first post.
I have asked you to give us other reasons as to why you think that and yet somehow you seem to forget about it. This leads me to belive that you have a personal bias against him or probably more likely his father. Go take care of your personal agenda somewhere else.

 

[danny88]

Some of the Deossie fan boys need to understand where he played will effect how he is evaluated. things are dif when you play with people who are nfl level players. Sure Zack was a stud among a bunch of non nfl talent players. Even then he had a few issues with his play. not to say he is not a good player, but some are projecting him higher then he should be taken imo.

Btw, spare me with the "small school stars" list. Haha, for every "small school star" there are 10,000 who would never snif starting in the nfl. The list if succesful nfl stars/quality players from small schools compared to those of large schools is tiny.

 

[patsgo]

You have yet give anything more than the level of competition as to why he will be just a Special teamer. Read your first post.
I have asked you to give us other reasons as to why you think that and yet somehow you seem to forget about it. This leads me to belive that you have a personal bias against him or probably more likely his father. Go take care of your personal agenda somewhere else.

looks like you have personal agendas against anyone who doesnt agree with you ,ive given you what, lindys, espn, and steet and smith said about him do you want to come over and watch game film? never met his father and really dont care about him. lets draft jacoby jones from lane u. in the 3 rd, do you agree, if not tell me why,do you have a agenda against his dad?

 

[primetime]

Louisville is in that great dominating conference called the BIG EAST... You know, the one that all the good teams left and went to the ACC.

Louisville was in the MAC when Branch played there. They only joined the Big East after the rest left (and now are a better team than anyone who went to the ACC, and the Big East is a better conference).

 

[dryheat44]

Some Ivy league players have gone on to become good NFL players, but its hardly the norm. The only one in recent memory who became an impact player is Matt Birk of the Vikings.

Marcellus Wiley
Jay Fiedler
Eric Johnson

Some young men decide that the odds of playing pro football are not great, and go to a school in order to get an education, to use for after they retire, or in case they don't make it. I wouldn't hold it against them. It doesn't mean they're not good. I'll bet DeOssie had many offers to play at a D1 school, and his dad probably talked him into the value of an education.

Stanford and Northwestern fall into this category as well.

 

[dryheat44]

that is the stupid thing ive ever read, bringing race into a football forum you obviously dont understand my point, and you dont understand football or life

Actually, his post is 100% accurate. You're downgrading DeOssie based on the fact that he doesn't share a characteristic (college pedigree) with most other NFL players. Right or wrong?

If Patrick Willis had been playing at Grambling, you'd probably have him as a late round pick. DeOssie's and Willis' talent is inherent, and was not dependent on who they played against. Any college player needs to be coached up in the NFL, whether they played at Michigan or McNeese St.

 

[patsgo]

Actually, his post is 100% accurate. You're downgrading DeOssie based on the fact that he doesn't share a characteristic (college pedigree) with most other NFL players. Right or wrong?

If Patrick Willis had been playing at Grambling, you'd probably have him as a late round pick. DeOssie's and Willis' talent is inherent, and was not dependent on who they played against. Any college player needs to be coached up in the NFL, whether they played at Michigan or McNeese St.

where did you read i ruled him out? all i said i wouldnt draft in the 3 or 4 round, eye exams arent that expensive

 

[dryheat44]

where did you read i ruled him out? all i said i wouldnt draft in the 3 or 4 round, eye exams arent that expensive

Where did you read that I said you ruled him out? All I said is that you had downgraded him. Eye exams aren't all that expensive. Neither are lessons in correct grammar.

 

[dryheat44]

where did you read i ruled him out? all i said i wouldnt draft in the 3 or 4 round, eye exams arent that expensive

Seriously, you started the thread with an opinion. Fine. Other posters challenged that opinion. OK. But instead of backing up your opinion, you seem to enjoy getting defensive and slinging around insults. If that's fun for you, may I recommend the ESPN or CBSSportsline messageboards?

http://boards.espn.go.com/boards/mb/mb?sport=nfl

http://www.sportsline.com/mcc/messages/board/2146318

 

[mcbee]

Seriously, you started the thread with an opinion. Fine. Other posters challenged that opinion. OK. But instead of backing up your opinion, you seem to enjoy getting defensive and slinging around insults. If that's fun for you, may I recommend the ESPN or CBSSportsline messageboards?

http://boards.espn.go.com/boards/mb/mb?sport=nfl

http://www.sportsline.com/mcc/messages/board/2146318

Absolutely. Players who play at a small school level have more to prove. Excellence on the field can't be assumed to transfer as directly to excellence in the NFL the way it could with a player from the SEC or Big Ten. So saying he's "one of the best in the Ivy League", is IMO, ridiculous. Who cares.

As for his connection to the team and how that makes him even more promising...that is by definition homer-like.

 

[dryheat44]

Absolutely. Players who play at a small school level have more to prove. Excellence on the field can't be assumed to transfer as directly to excellence in the NFL the way it could with a player from the SEC or Big Ten. So saying he's "one of the best in the Ivy League", is IMO, ridiculous. Who cares.

As for his connection to the team and how that makes him even more promising...that is by definition homer-like.

Well on the first point I agree with you. He has more to prove than a guy like Harris.

Your second point reminds me of all the people last year who said the Patriots were overrated because they had an easy schedule. A team, whether the NFL or Ivy League, can only play the teams on their schedule. It's not DeOssie's fault LSU, Ohio St, and Texas weren't on Brown's schedule. The best he could do was to excel against Harvard, Princeton, and Columbia, and he did. But what if Brown did play LSU, Ohio St, and Texas, and lost all three games 49-10? Does that mean DeOssie would be a significantly better prospect because he played in those games?

And regarding your third point, I agree it's irrelevant, except in regards that he enjoys being around football and that BB likes him personally.

 

[Major **********]

looks like you have personal agendas against anyone who doesnt agree with you ,ive given you what, lindys, espn, and steet and smith said about him do you want to come over and watch game film? never met his father and really dont care about him. lets draft jacoby jones from lane u. in the 3 rd, do you agree, if not tell me why,do you have a agenda against his dad?

Really where? Where are the links? If you are talking about the magasines they were compiled in february. Hardly complete. don't you think.
I have a personal agenda against those that don't agree with me? Are you naturally this thick or do you just play one in a message board? I have asked you to give reasons behind you opinions and you can only come up with one tired line over and over. I have not said the guy should be a first second or any rounder. My problem is with your assinine opinions. You throw them around and can't back them up.
At the end of your post you wrote Sorry Steve. If your opinion has nothing to do with his father then how does he figure in the equation?
Let me guess I must be a coolaid drinking hommer because I don't agree with you?