Deossie why all the love

[mcbee]

Kipper has him going in the 4'th in his lattest mock. Does that mean that we do know better know?
I didn't know that the Patritos got their scouting reports form SI and ESPN.

You don't know that the pats get their reports from si and espn.com, fair enough. But you also don't know that they think Deossie is anything but a major project. You're just projecting your own homer instincts on them.

 

[Major **********]

You don't know that the pats get their reports from si and espn.com, fair enough. But you also don't know that they think Deossie is anything but a major project. You're just projecting your own homer instincts on them.

I'm not projecting anything. As a matter of fact I don't project anything when it comes to the Pats. What people are doing is they are looking at different draft publications about players, looking for info about characters and intangibles, and then elevating such player by a round or 2 in their "patritos draft board" by applying what they think they know about what is important to the pats and what they look for in a player. It's got little to do with homerism. They do this with a lot of players. See Brian Leonard. Some people elevate him to 1st round status based on perceived character and intangibles. When it comes to Deosie the intangibles and the characters have a little more substance in a lot of peoples minds since there is much more info on the guy and it's easier to access. The fact that BB has reportedly personally scouted him during the season at Brown and the fact that he knows him personally makes people make the leap in judgment that the intangibles really are there and it's only a matter of how good the guy is.

 

[DaBruinz]

DeOssie is a major reach. I don't care if he can "run fast", but he didn't even dominate Ivy competition. He isn't known for real physical play, "hasn't shown great instincts"..."lacks power as a hitter". Yeah, that'll work well when he steps up, just slightly, to the NFL. This is the same as a bunch of guys saying that a guy in their high school is "awesome!!"...doesn't mean he could even play college ball. BFD.

He's a project. Maybe he has potential. And so what if he was a ball boy, big deal. Lots of guys are good citizens, decent kids, ball boys whatever. Does every one of them become a star? "No but this one will b/c he was NEW ENGLAND PATRIOT BALL BOY". Oh, well that settles it then.

"But Jerry Rice and blah blah". Yeah, Jerry Rice did well. For every Jerry Rice there are 100 guys who did really well in a small school environment and completely busted in the pros. But he was BB's ball boy so he can't possibly bust.

The OP is right in that you guys are drinking the kool-aid. The word "homer" comes to mind.

SI has him rated a 6th rounder, espn a 5th-6th rounder. Sounds about right. But you homers know better.

McBee -
Sorry, DUDE, but SI hasn't updated their stats in forever. And ESPN hasn't either.

How about you take your head out of patsgo's arse and read BEYOND the fact he was a Pats ball boy. He stepped in as the SCOUT QB and performed the drills without issue.

This is garbage about DeOssie not having instincts. Also, DeOssie one the Best LB in the IVY LEAGUE. Its amazing how people think a guy who was selected as a candidate for BEST DEFENSIVE PLAYER IN COLLEGE isn't worth a 4th round pick.

 

[FilPats]

Mangini will steal DeOssie from the Pats.

 

[mtbykr]

I think the combine was the worst thing that happened to people that want Deossie drafted by the pats becuase i truly believe that BB would have taken him at a lower round (6 mabey) because he has the good upside....However i don't know if he will take him in the 3rd or sooner (i think he will go in the late 3rd or early 4th) which is what it will take to get him now after the combine. The pats don't put a lot of stock in the combine, but other teams do!

 

[PATRIOT64]

I heard similar stuff about another HOFers son we took which didn't turn out so good when we thought NFL star blood in the veins would make him a star here.

We found out his best days were eating at a local McDonalds,He could not play NFL defense if his life was on the line.

Can you say DAN KLECKO?

Although he suceeded in goaline catches for scores

 

[cubedoggy]

Mangini will steal DeOssie from the Pats.

Heh, could be.

One thing left out of this thread (as far as I could tell wading through the nyah-nyahs) is that like his father, DeOssie is a long snapper.

We all know that BB values versatility. I like Lonie as much as the next guy, but maybe a younger player, w/ potential to benefit one or two other positions on ST and D might give Zak a little more value to a team like the Pats...

Jus' cogitatin'.

 

[mcbee]

McBee -
Sorry, DUDE, but SI hasn't updated their stats in forever. And ESPN hasn't either.

How about you take your head out of patsgo's arse and read BEYOND the fact he was a Pats ball boy. He stepped in as the SCOUT QB and performed the drills without issue.

This is garbage about DeOssie not having instincts. Also, DeOssie one the Best LB in the IVY LEAGUE. Its amazing how people think a guy who was selected as a candidate for BEST DEFENSIVE PLAYER IN COLLEGE isn't worth a 4th round pick.

One of the best LB in the IVY LEAGUE? No WAY!! Sign him up!!

The Pats drafted and cut the defensive player of the year in the mountain west not too long ago. Which is a tougher conference?

ESPN's scouting review is "updated" for this year.

Stepped in as a scout QB! No WAY!! Ran a couple plays and even threw a pass or two!! Sign him up!! There are 1,000 stories like that. The NFL is very competitive and being "the best LB in the IVY LEAGUE" doesn't mean ****. You get your head out of your ass.

I like how one poster compared him to Lofa Tatupu. Who played at USC. Which is a little tougher than "Brown". Sorry. "But he started at Maine!!!". So what? He was the one guy out of 100 who could do well in a small school and do well in the pros. No evidence, NONE, that DeOssie can do that. Maybe he can, but the odds are very much against him. Only homers wouldn't acknowledge that. "But he was BB's BALLBOY...he threw a pass or two!!!" BIG F*CKING DEAL. Read scouting reports...there are 1,000 guys with great stories and great ability. Very few make it in the NFL.

 

[mcbee]

Heh, could be.

One thing left out of this thread (as far as I could tell wading through the nyah-nyahs) is that like his father, DeOssie is a long snapper.

We all know that BB values versatility. I like Lonie as much as the next guy, but maybe a younger player, w/ potential to benefit one or two other positions on ST and D might give Zak a little more value to a team like the Pats...

Jus' cogitatin'.

Klecko was the Big East Defensive player of the year. BB said he was basically "unblockable". I still think he could have done well in a 4-3 system.

But he busted here. And yes, the Big East is a little tougher than the Ivy League.

 

[cubedoggy]

Klecko was the Big East Defensive player of the year. BB said he was basically "unblockable". I still think he could have done well in a 4-3 system.

But he busted here. And yes, the Big East is a little tougher than the Ivy League.

OK, I'm not sure what your response has to do w/ my post.
I was responding to FilPats' idea that the Jets might take DeOssie.

 

[sebman2112]

And according to your draft board Deion Branch should have been a 6th or 7th round pick too because of his small school and level of competition, but today we stand with a 1st round pick for him and several years of his superbowl quality service in hand.

Please let us know about every other player that is overvalued according to your draft board. I'm sure the GMs of the NFL are just breathless waiting for your pearls of wisdom.

Deion Branch went to Louisville

 

[sebman2112]

DeOssie is a major reach. I don't care if he can "run fast", but he didn't even dominate Ivy competition. He isn't known for real physical play, "hasn't shown great instincts"..."lacks power as a hitter". Yeah, that'll work well when he steps up, just slightly, to the NFL. This is the same as a bunch of guys saying that a guy in their high school is "awesome!!"...doesn't mean he could even play college ball. BFD.

He's a project. Maybe he has potential. And so what if he was a ball boy, big deal. Lots of guys are good citizens, decent kids, ball boys whatever. Does every one of them become a star? "No but this one will b/c he was NEW ENGLAND PATRIOT BALL BOY". Oh, well that settles it then.

"But Jerry Rice and blah blah". Yeah, Jerry Rice did well. For every Jerry Rice there are 100 guys who did really well in a small school environment and completely busted in the pros. But he was BB's ball boy so he can't possibly bust.

The OP is right in that you guys are drinking the kool-aid. The word "homer" comes to mind.

SI has him rated a 6th rounder, espn a 5th-6th rounder. Sounds about right. But you homers know better.

I agree with a lot of this. I think he's a 4th-5th rounder, not a 5th-6th rounder, though.

Also, people who only want to talk about every thing good involving DeOssie need to start thinking about the Negs:
He's not that strong for his size, he doesn't want to play ILB (came from the horses mouth), he's had bankart surgery on his shoulder, back spasms, and he suffered a partial tear to his left MCL, he frequently bites on pump fakes and misdirection plays, needs to increase upper body strength, bends from the waist to much, sometimes plays to tall and leaves his chest open, needs to wrap and secure more consistantly, can have a hard time tracking the ball in pass coverage, good at pressuring the QB but doesn't get the sacks he should, level of comp is a question, and other negs I don't feel like going into.

Anyways, I like the guy and think he could develop into a solid pro but we need to have an honest discussion about him.

 

[DaBruinz]

You don't know that the pats get their reports from si and espn.com, fair enough. But you also don't know that they think Deossie is anything but a major project. You're just projecting your own homer instincts on them.

You're right. We don't know what the Pats think of DeOssie. WELL, ACTUALLY, we kinid of do. We know that BB thinks highly enough of DeOssie to hand him the BALL to be the Scout Team QB and that DeOssie did the nearly perfectly in the drills.

And yes, I DO KNOW for 100% CERTAINTY that the Pats have nothing to do with ESPN (who gets their information from Scouts.com) and SI.com (who gets their information from TFYDraftPreview ( a company that I have never heard of). Upon checking them out, its another name for SCOUT.COM . Funny, to. Scout.com doesn't actually RATE DeOssie in terms of where he will be picked.

BTW, before putting stock in Scouts.Inc, they can't even get DeOssie's height correct. They are off by 3/8".

Now, Lets look at where other sites are projecting DeOssie:
NFLDraftscout.com - 4th round
NFLDraftCountdown - Mid-Rounder (= 3rd/4th round pick)
Condraft.com - 4th rounder

So, please spare me the "Well ESPN and SI " say BLAH BLAH BLAH garbage. Kiper and Scout.com aren't know for their accuracy.

 

[DaBruinz]

One of the best LB in the IVY LEAGUE? No WAY!! Sign him up!!

Yes, just ignore that he was a FINALIST for the Best Defensive player in the Country in 2005 and was nominated again in 2006. Just ignore those facts. Damn, you love to be ignorant and just cherry pick waht people say.

The Pats drafted and cut the defensive player of the year in the mountain west not too long ago. Which is a tougher conference?

They did? Who was that?

ESPN's scouting review is "updated" for this year.

Hey Clueless. While KIPER has updated his mocks, Scouts.Inc has NOT updated where it thought players were be drafted. Since you missed it, Scouts.INC is the company that does the rankings for ESPN.

Stepped in as a scout QB! No WAY!! Ran a couple plays and even threw a pass or two!! Sign him up!! There are 1,000 stories like that. The NFL is very competitive and being "the best LB in the IVY LEAGUE" doesn't mean ****. You get your head out of your ass.

You are the one with your head up yoru arse. As always. Yes, actually, it does mean something for him to be the best at his particular level AND get nominated twice (becoming a finalist once) for the BEST DEFENSIVE PLAYER IN COLLEGE FOOTBALL. You keep ignoring that tid-bit because it shows how ignorant you want to be.

I like how one poster compared him to Lofa Tatupu. Who played at USC. Which is a little tougher than "Brown".

Listen, You clearly can't be bothered to open your eyes and read what is really said. But that is typical from you, McBee. You talk out your arse with absolutely NOTHING to back it up.

Since you went back to Lofa Tatupu, what was said was that Patsgo probably thought the same about Lofa Tatupu since Tatupu was ragged on as being a workout warrior and deemed TOO SMALL to play in the NFL. He was rated by many as a 3rd to 4th round pick. The Seahawks were RIGHT and he was definitely worth a 2nd rounder. The comparison is that Patsgo made clearly ignorant statements (like yourself) regarding DeOssie. You and he are both acting like people think he should be drafted in the 1st round and NO ONE is saying that. We are saying 4th round. But, far be it from you to acknowledge that because it destroys your argument.

Sorry. "But he started at Maine!!!". So what? He was the one guy out of 100 who could do well in a small school and do well in the pros. No evidence, NONE, that DeOssie can do that. Maybe he can, but the odds are very much against him. Only homers wouldn't acknowledge that. "But he was BB's BALLBOY...he threw a pass or two!!!" BIG F*CKING DEAL. Read scouting reports...there are 1,000 guys with great stories and great ability. Very few make it in the NFL.

Really? No evidence? Gee, you ******. i think that being able to come in and run plays AS A QB (a position he didn't play in college) in a pro offense says something about the guy. OH, he did a lot more than throw a couple of passes. But, you'd rather ignore that because it blows yet another hole in your argument.

 

[DaBruinz]

I agree with a lot of this. I think he's a 4th-5th rounder, not a 5th-6th rounder, though.

Also, people who only want to talk about every thing good involving DeOssie need to start thinking about the Negs:
He's not that strong for his size, he doesn't want to play ILB (came from the horses mouth), he's had bankart surgery on his shoulder, back spasms, and he suffered a partial tear to his left MCL, he frequently bites on pump fakes and misdirection plays, needs to increase upper body strength, bends from the waist to much, sometimes plays to tall and leaves his chest open, needs to wrap and secure more consistantly, can have a hard time tracking the ball in pass coverage, good at pressuring the QB but doesn't get the sacks he should, level of comp is a question, and other negs I don't feel like going into.

Anyways, I like the guy and think he could develop into a solid pro but we need to have an honest discussion about him.

There is no way to have that with people who insist on making asinine stereotypes based on where someone went to school.

 

[patsgo]

There is no way to have that with people who insist on making asinine stereotypes based on where someone went to school.

wheres all your facts on how good of a player he is , the ivy league is a steo above high school, and one of the weakest leagues in college if you dont get it its notour fault

 

[Major **********]

wheres all your facts on how good of a player he is , the ivy league is a steo above high school, and one of the weakest leagues in college if you dont get it its notour fault

Is there only one line in your script? Do you have anything else to bring to the discution or are you going to go on like a broken record?

 

[patsgo]

Is there only one line in your script? Do you have anything else to bring to the discution or are you going to go on like a broken record?

its like a varsity player playing in a jv game, the speed and quicknes in the nfl cant compare, thats why 1 or 2 players in the league, other than birk can you name a starter?my point is he a big project, and not wort a 3or a4 ,but a number of mock drafts on this forum has him like hes a cant miss, most of itsfrom being a hometown boy, , you can probably take any backup on a big program and hed star in the ivy league, thats just the way it is, not a broken record its the facts which you dont seem to get, i bet your a big dave ball fan to?at least his league and competition is a little tougher

 

[Pawn512]

He was a finalist for the best DIVISION I-AA defensive player in the country. Not the same thing by a long shot as best defensive player in the country, period.

He's a good Ivy league player. The best comparable is Isiah Kaczyenski, the former Harvard linebacker who had a similar level of accolades in college. He became a solid NFL special teamer and fill-in starter, but hardly a star. Some Ivy league players have gone on to become good NFL players, but its hardly the norm. The only one in recent memory who became an impact player is Matt Birk of the Vikings.

 

[Major **********]

its like a varsity player playing in a jv game, the speed and quicknes in the nfl cant compare, thats why 1 or 2 players in the league, other than birk can you name a starter?my point is he a big project, and not wort a 3or a4 ,but a number of mock drafts on this forum has him like hes a cant miss, most of itsfrom being a hometown boy, , you can probably take any backup on a big program and hed star in the ivy league, thats just the way it is, not a broken record its the facts which you dont seem to get, i bet your a big dave ball fan to?at least his league and competition is a little tougher

Again you fail to bring any more to the table than the "His competition wasn't good" argument. How will that level of competition alone stop him from turning into a good pro? Why didn't it stop Matt Birk? Please stop reading from a script and bring a little more to the table.