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mtbykr said:
Well if I haven't said it in the last 5 minutes; thank God we have TB! :rocker:

Thank God we have tuberculosis? Thank God we have Tampa Bay?

Seriously, though, I'm glad we have all three of the T.Br.'s (Brady, Bruschi, Brown). . . . and I'd have no problem with a bunch of Tedy Bruschi (ILB) and Mike Vrabel (OLB) clones to make up the Pats' LB corps.
 
Box_O_Rocks said:
I think it also speaks to Mangini's youth and inexperience as DC. There was a dramatic transition from RAC to EM, older players would be the first to resent the change.

When Mangini jumped on the Jets job I immediately went back to the rumors that were circulating at mid-season...poor job performance by Mangini. It was said then that Belichick took over, Mangini even lost the red shirt one week.

It would be great to hear how much dissension there was at that time. Like you say, the veterans would be the first to get angry. IMO Mangini had to take the Jets job because his reputation here could have been damaged had word leaked out of problems with performance.

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I think we are going to have to wait for an Izzo departure on this one. Evidence suggests maybe Willie was in the wrong here. Perhaps, if we send some letters to Cleveland media they could ask the question about that to get it going.

We know Izzo won't say so our only hope is Willie to say something :snob: that might put the issue to rest. If Willie is guilty...we're gonna have to wait for Larry to lose a step.
 
F.B.N. said:
I think we are going to have to wait for an Izzo departure on this one. Evidence suggests maybe Willie was in the wrong here. Perhaps, if we send some letters to Cleveland media they could ask the question about that to get it going.

We know Izzo won't say so our only hope is Willie to say something :snob: that might put the issue to rest. If Willie is guilty...we're gonna have to wait for Larry to lose a step.
I don't expect anybody to talk, anymore then what Willie already said hinting at trouble in Gillette. At this point, I think Tedy, Izzo, and peers are whipping up that old championship frenzy in the weight room. Life is good in Patriot country.
 
No offense FBN but there is nothing in that article that even hints of mid season tampering. Guys began to hear AFTER the Denver playoff game, which was our last game of the season, that Willie might be moving on. That could just have easily been based on the fact that there had been little or no contact between he and the FO all season regarding his remaining with the team. Or the team could have told him they felt it was better if he tested the market (implying he wouldn't be blown away by what he heard). Both sides understood a new deal notwithstanding, there would be no dummy $8M season.

If you think guys don't talk amongst themselves and GM's don't through back channels (other players, agents they are working with, acquaintances, media) establish who might be available and what they might be looking for well in advance of March 1st each year, you are naive.

We often make assumpions hereabouts based on logic. We all assumed Willie would be back one way or another because he was still playing at a fairly high level (comparatively speaking - none of them were in the first half), he was a playmaker - and we had few of those to spare, he had restructured so many times we lost count, he was the senior presence in the locker room, and we remain a little understaffed in a LB reliant defense. We should not be surprised that BB's thought process appears at times to defy logic. But we continue to be. So we should be able to accept it doesn't just throw us a curve, it throws players a curve if they assumed anything.

We hear about miscommunication from most players who leave here. I think in the absence of RAC and Charlie we will hear that more often. They had close relationships with the players under their wing that sometimes helped to smooth ruffeled feathers and bruised feelings or bridge communications gaps. Mangini and McDaniels had their hands full last season with their own jobs, and neither has had time to establish those kinds of fatherly relationships and there is no saying either will develop the personalities to. BB isn't a touchy feely kind of guy. Players respect his X's and O's genius, but he benefits from having a few quality buffers between him and his players on an emotional level. And that could well be the crux of the "things" going on that Willie alluded to.
 
mtbykr said:
Well if I haven't said it in the last 5 minutes; thank God we have TB! :rocker:

WHICH of our sterling TBs do you mean?
 
MoLewisrocks said:
No offense FBN but there is nothing in that article that even hints of mid season tampering. Guys began to hear AFTER the Denver playoff game, which was our last game of the season, that Willie might be moving on. That could just have easily been based on the fact that there had been little or no contact between he and the FO all season regarding his remaining with the team. Or the team could have told him they felt it was better if he tested the market (implying he wouldn't be blown away by what he heard). Both sides understood a new deal notwithstanding, there would be no dummy $8M season.

I said on Monday, that he had a deal in principal with the Browns by midseason...well before today's Felger piece. I'm not going to waste my time with it...like I said Monday, it will come out in time.


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I know that's what you said. That's why I responded as I did. I'm not necessarily saying your info is bogus, I'm just pointing out that nothing in this article bostered anything remotely like that claim.

I don't even doubt that Willie and RAC may have had an unspoken understanding that if things didn't work out for him to finish his career here to his satisfaction, RAC would absolutely have an offer he'd appreciate ready and waiting for him. But by relative NFL standards, that's not tampering, it's relationships.

Remember when BB let RAC go early to persue a HC job that might not have waited, they had an understanding that RAC would not raid his staff. He didn't. Now as competitors who have worked with many of the same personnel (coaches and players) over the last decade all bets are off. It's not a stretch to think any of those shared players would go to RAC in a heartbeat - particularly if they believed BB was at best ambivalent about them. RAC is seldom ambivalent about anything. It remains to be seen if he will be anywhere near as successful a HC as BB, but his players both love and respect him.
 
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