PATRIOTS NEWS Breer reports Pats are seeing Maye's progress

[Wozzy]

So you're both a little wrong. Thinking a better ol would automatically make Burrow not take sacks doesn't make sense once you understand the QB position. Sure a better OL helps, of course it does. It's not changing a high sack guy that plays a certain way. Burrow is very good at maneuvering and navigating a pocket. It's a pocket management issue rather than someone who just will always hold the ball too long looking for a big play.

Go to your CPU search engine and plug "Cincinnati Bengals offensive line sucks" into it and watch how many articles appear, not just last year, the year before that, the year before that. More importantly go look at the leading snap counts on offense and who their starters were, they suck... when Ted Karras (our backup center) is arguably your best lineman you aren't very good.

Sacks isn't just a QB stat, it's a line stat. Jared Goff threw the second most passes in the NFL last season, he had the third best sack percentage in the NFL... it's because his line is manned by studs, not because Goff possess some otherworldly ability to evade pressure. When you snap the ball and 2-3 defenders blow by your blocking... suggesting it's a QB problem is absurd.

If you don't have Lamar Jackson as elite you're wasting a lot of time "watching film." Great mof anticipatory passer, one of the more efficient passers in the game, handles more of an offensive % than any other QB. Has never had a loaded wr corp. You're on an island on there and not in a good way.

This ^ is a joke.

Lamar Jackson's playoff stats: 6 games, 2-4 record, 57% passing, 6 TD's/6 INT's, 75.7 QB Rating, 6 Fumbles.

He's not an elite passer, he's literally a guy you have to scheme to make look good, which is why he annually has the fewest pass attempts in the NFL among active starters. If he was great at it, if he was "elite," they wouldn't limit his passing to protect him from himself. And please with the "weapons" talk, his weapons have been good if not great. He can't throw to small receivers because he isn't accurate, that's why larger WR's and TE's are his bread and butter. He is the direct reason they fail in the playoffs every season despite having one of the best rosters in the NFL. He saves his worst for last.

Like I said about him back pre-draft the year he was taken, a modern day Mike Vick. Looks great in the regular season against the dregs, great on Madden Football but will and fail miserably in the playoffs against the best defenses. If I was anymore accurate they would give me an award.

 

[VrabelJr]

Pretty accurate list at the top, based on analyzing tape it's Allen, Mahomes and Herbert on 1 tier. Give Allen or Herbert Andy Reid and that defense and they'd be super bowl champs also. Stafford is elite if healthy, but that ship might have sailed.
Lamar Jackson plays poorly on tape every big game, maybe he's an elite regular season player, can't beat the good defenses so can't be elite. His AFC championship game was atrocious QB play.

Stroud and Love not elite yet on tape but they are good and with improvement have a chance.

Burrow, Purdy, Tua, again based on tape, are products of their system.

It's VERY hard to win Super Bowl without elite QB and there are so few,

Purdy almost did it with elite skill players, great defense, great coach. Still couldn't get it done.

Otherwise since 2013
Elite QB's won SB: Brady-4, Mahomes-3, Manning-1, Stafford-1
Non-Elite QB: Nick Foles

9 of last 10 Super Bowl won by one of the VERY few elite QB's in the league.

Very lucky we got Maye, the most probable elite QB drafted since Herbert IMO.

I appreciate the effort you put into this post but… yikes!

There are only two QBs to have beat Mahomes in a playoff game in the last 5 seasons: Brady and Burrow. Brady did it multiple times. Burrow is 1-1 with the loss being a 3 point squeaker. When Burrow got hurt I knew KC would be the AFC team in the Super Bowl because no other QB has the balls to hang with him. Allen, LJ, Tua, and Herbert have shown it time and time again.

 

[KCSVEN]

I appreciate the effort you put into this post but… yikes!

There are only two QBs to have beat Mahomes in a playoff game in the last 5 seasons: Brady and Burrow. Brady did it multiple times. Burrow is 1-1 with the loss being a 3 point squeaker. When Burrow got hurt I knew KC would be the AFC team in the Super Bowl because no other QB has the balls to hang with him. Allen, LJ, Tua, and Herbert have shown it time and time again.

I think the QB is the most important position, but the QB is not solely responsible for losses and wins. There is a lot to evaluate with the defense each faces, how open the receivers are etc.

 

[BUSTAMOVE]

Feeling really good about our decision to go with Maye.

Both Williams and Daniels would have left me with an uneasy feeling for different reasons.

With Williams it is his makeup, and for Daniels it is his slight frame.

At first I liked Daniels
What scared me the most was his sack to pressure ratio and his avoidance of the middle of the field
He was with a good team. What happens when the talent around him is average
Maye had average to bad talent around him. Solid over the middle of the field