Brandon Spikes Video

[IcyPatriot]

Excellent word choice for this situation.

Absolutely ... there's a fine line between opinion and persecution and all that's associated with the word.

When the public gets info they tend to forgive, say meh, or persecute.

Doesn't make it right or wrong, good or bad but your company is then somewhat defined by those opinions. I would prefer my company not be tainted by allegations that cross the line I believe my company has been built upon. Mr. Kraft will proceed accordingly ... we will see. The law may be a lesser consideration in this case. Mr. Kraft has shown a firmer hand with allegations of sexual misconduct. Will he consider this misconduct? I do. That he did not break a law (???) is about the only reason he is still here if at all.

 

[upstater1]

If the porn star continues to star in porn films while in the NFL I'd say that according to the language of the PCP he could. He may not want ot pick that battle, but the PCP pclearly allows him to do so. If the porn star quits porn, not so much.

Goodell can fine a coach for flipping the bird in public, outside of any NFL context, for crying out loud!

Nope, he couldn't. Can't fine anyone for legal activities.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Absolutely ... there's a fine line between opinion and persecution and all that's associated with the word.

When the public gets info they tend to forgive, say meh, or persecute.

Doesn't make it right or wrong, good or bad but your company is then somewhat defined by those opinions. I would prefer my company not be tainted by allegations that cross the line I believe my company has been built upon. Mr. Kraft will proceed accordingly ... we will see. The law may be a lesser consideration in this case. Mr. Kraft has shown a firmer hand with allegations of sexual misconduct. Will he consider this misconduct? I do. That he did not break a law (???) is about the only reason he is still here if at all.

You're dreamin. Kraft is a pretty savvy businessman. He will likely have a word with the player in question...that will have to suffice. If you need more you may be disappointed. Same thing with Goodell.

 

[upstater1]

If there was a video of BB screwing another women while he was married and posted on the web at that time, I think you can be pretty darened sure that Kraft would've fired him. It's not the act that some people are upset about. It's the fact a video of it is in the public domain.

Could Tamasse do this and not get fired?
Could Felger do it?
Could Jerry Remy?
a political candidate? Would you still vote for him?
etc.....

I could name a thousand people that would face consequences if they were in Spikes' shoes. Why is Spikes different? I'm not taking sides in this, but moral issues are rarely black and white. Spikes has allowed himself to be placed in a societal gray area. Good luck with that.

Just seems preposterous. BB fired for cheating on his wife. Yeah right.

 

[BradyFTW!]

I said everything?

I think not ... check again.

I was refering to the concept of publicly available and I did not use the word everything.

You said that the internet is public domain. It isn't. The clear implication, when you say "the internet is public domain", is that all of it is public domain. There are some parts of it that are, but no more than that. And FWIW, chatroulette isn't one of them. Spikes did not make a video for public consumption, and drawing an arbitrary moral line about what you believe to be true and ethical won't change that.

BTW, do you care to clarify what, exactly, Spikes did that was wrong in the first place? Is it an issue of cheating on his girlfriend? Because if that's where you draw the line, the Pats should just forfeit the season now, since they will never be able to field a competitive 53 man roster of guys who live up to your demands. Or is it the filming of it? Because that's just none of yours, or any of our, business. It's not Spikes' fault that someone else taped him without his knowledge or consent. Might as well fire Erin Andrews for indecency, as well, by your standards.

 

[upstater1]

They are always hugely ugly.

how would you know?

 

[upstater1]

Nothing if that's their gig ... but Spikes wears a Patriot uniform and I think it's relevant because that uniform is used to raise money for charity. It's supposed to stand for something better than the accepted norm. They don't have to be Eagle scouts but distributing porn for anyone to see crosses the line for me.

Did anyone here think Pat Patriot should have kept his job?

Most here don't know Spikes and only care because he may help us win games. If he were a member of another team would anyone here be defending his actions?

He should be judged based on what he did and not who he plays for IMO.

My God, we have SENATORS caught in much worse situations, and no one gives a hoot. One of them is about to win reelection after feces and baby diaper shenanigans!!

 

[upstater1]

I seriously wonder whether some of you can continue watching professional football.

I'm close to going where NO ONE wants me to go with this thread, but I wonder if all the disgust isn't related to the sex but something else.

And I'm sure I'm not the only one that this occurred to.

 

[wahwho]

I was refering to the concept of publicly available and I did not use the word everything.

Let's define "publicly available" though. And, because we're dealing with the Internet, we must use a car analogy. Therefore:

Let's say Spikes left the keys in his car while he ran into a convenience store for a gallon of milk (or, perhaps, a pack of condoms might be more appropriate). His car gets stolen, and in the ensuing joyride the thief drives through a pack of Girl Scouts out delivering cookies. There's shortbread trefoils everywhere! And when the news cameras show up, the "55HITS" license plate easily allows them to trace the car back to Spikes, and the flying Elvis bumper sticker is covered in slowly melting lemon creme.

Should Spikes be fired for putting himself in this situation by making his car "publicly available" to any random stranger who hopped in? Or should it be recognized that the property was stolen from him and he is a victim...a stupid victim, one not altogether without blame for getting into the situation, but a victim of a crime nonetheless? Because the (most likely) illegally recorded chatroulette is no different.

 

[TheGodInAGreyHoodie]

Absolutely ... there's a fine line between opinion and persecution and all that's associated with the word.

When the public gets info they tend to forgive, say meh, or persecute.

Doesn't make it right or wrong, good or bad but your company is then somewhat defined by those opinions. I would prefer my company not be tainted by allegations that cross the line I believe my company has been built upon. Mr. Kraft will proceed accordingly ... we will see. The law may be a lesser consideration in this case. Mr. Kraft has shown a firmer hand with allegations of sexual misconduct. Will he consider this misconduct? I do. That he did not break a law (???) is about the only reason he is still here if at all.

I bet you would fire Crystal Defanti as well. Fortunately the principal had more sense than that. And what she did was considerably worse.

Isabelle Jackson Elementary teacher Crystal Defanti gives sex tape to California students

 

[Frezo]

Just seems preposterous. BB fired for cheating on his wife. Yeah right.

...under the circumstances I listed?

 

[BradyFTW!]

Let's define "publicly available" though. And, because we're dealing with the Internet, we must use a car analogy. Therefore:

Let's say Spikes left the keys in his car while he ran into a convenience store for a gallon of milk (or, perhaps, a pack of condoms might be more appropriate). His car gets stolen, and in the ensuing joyride the thief drives through a pack of Girl Scouts out delivering cookies. There's shortbread trefoils everywhere! And when the news cameras show up, the "55HITS" license plate easily allows them to trace the car back to Spikes, and the flying Elvis bumper sticker is covered in slowly melting lemon creme.

Should Spikes be fired for putting himself in this situation by making his car "publicly available" to any random stranger who hopped in? Or should it be recognized that the property was stolen from him and he is a victim...a stupid victim, one not altogether without blame for getting into the situation, but a victim of a crime nonetheless? Because the (most likely) illegally recorded chatroulette is no different.

Fantastic analogy: that sums it up perfectly.

 

[apple strudel]

Nope, he couldn't. Can't fine anyone for legal activities.

Based on the language of the CBA he certainly could. He's fined Rex Ryan and Bud Adams for perfectly legal but tasteless activities. Sure they are not players, but it show that he has a proclivity to do as much. Again, read the PCP and show me where he can't. From what I've seen, there's nothing in there that prohibits it.

 

[apple strudel]

how would you know?

It was ... wait for it ... a joke! I even said as much.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Based on the language of the CBA he certainly could. He's fined Rex Ryan and Bud Adams for perfectly legal but tasteless activities. Sure they are not players, but it show that he has a proclivity to do as much. Again, read the PCP and show me where he can't. From what I've seen, there's nothing in there that prohibits it.

Rex and Bud were employed by or in ownership at the time of their indiscreet behavior. Spikes was a college kid with no ties to the league or any team at the time. That someone else released a tape of the indiscretion once he was has nothing to do with him and his behavior as a member of the league. This isn't the Miss America Pagent...

 

[Frezo]

Let's define "publicly available" though. And, because we're dealing with the Internet, we must use a car analogy. Therefore:

Let's say Spikes left the keys in his car while he ran into a convenience store for a gallon of milk (or, perhaps, a pack of condoms might be more appropriate). His car gets stolen, and in the ensuing joyride the thief drives through a pack of Girl Scouts out delivering cookies. There's shortbread trefoils everywhere! And when the news cameras show up, the "55HITS" license plate easily allows them to trace the car back to Spikes, and the flying Elvis bumper sticker is covered in slowly melting lemon creme.

Should Spikes be fired for putting himself in this situation by making his car "publicly available" to any random stranger who hopped in? Or should it be recognized that the property was stolen from him and he is a victim...a stupid victim, one not altogether without blame for getting into the situation, but a victim of a crime nonetheless? Because the (most likely) illegally recorded chatroulette is no different.

In this case I believe a savvy lawyer might find him liable along the lines of "contributory negligence". When a person is stupid enough to leave keys in a car, (I forgot isn't an excuse), he assumes a certain amount of liability for ensuing events. It would be worse if a minor stole the car and caused serious injury. However if the car was in his driveway at the time, stealing the car would be a trespass and proving liability would be much harder.

 

[Pats726]

Maybe we could trade him? Myself ... I think he brings shame to the team.

Sorry ... I can't change how I feel just to please other people here.
To say anything different would mean I would have to lie about it and make an exception based on him being a Patriot. I don't think this incident should be decided in favor of him because he can help us win.

For the record I apply high standards to the soccer teams I have coached. I've won many sportsmanship awards ... you earn those. I have let a few good players go ... winning is not everything to me.

Coaching local sports at any level is one thing and THAT is good to promote high standards...I've coached softball teams and kept high standards with those on the team playing. I think that the Pros are far far NOT the same..and to try to keep standards the same quite hard if not impossible...MEANING that finding a pro team that doesn't have a few NOT up to standard almost impossible.

 

[TheGodInAGreyHoodie]

Coaching local sports at any level is one thing and THAT is good to promote high standards...I've coached softball teams and kept high standards with those on the team playing. I think that the Pros are far far NOT the same..and to try to keep standards the same quite hard if not impossible...MEANING that finding a pro team that doesn't have a few NOT up to standard almost impossible.

Okay lets talk standards. You said you coached softball teams. I am assuming that is girls softball.

Lets say a girl on a team you were coaching took a photo of herself topless on her cell phone a year before she joined your team and e-mails it to her boyfriend. While she is on your team and after they are no longer bf-gf he posts the picture on the web to get back at her. This cause her and her parents quite a bit of embarrassment.

Would you as the coach of the team cut her from the team for bring shame and disgrace onto the softball team and not living up to the standards of high moral conduct you expect from your players?

 

[wahwho]

In this case I believe a savvy lawyer might find him liable along the lines of "contributory negligence". When a person is stupid enough to leave keys in a car, (I forgot isn't an excuse), he assumes a certain amount of liability for ensuing events. It would be worse if a minor stole the car and caused serious injury. However if the car was in his driveway at the time, stealing the car would be a trespass and proving liability would be much harder.

A savvy lawyer can claim lots of things, but we're not talking about insurance liability here, we're talking about criminal behavior. Besides, in most cases where this is even considered a separate statute is required that expressly prohibits you from leaving your keys in an unattended car.

But that's beside the point, and is attacking the analogy when the argument is not applicable to the true issue at hand. It is predicated on Spikes having an expectation that his chat would be recorded, which seems unreasonable without more information.

 

[IcyPatriot]

I seriously wonder whether some of you can continue watching professional football.

I'm close to going where NO ONE wants me to go with this thread, but I wonder if all the disgust isn't related to the sex but something else.

And I'm sure I'm not the only one that this occurred to.

Stretch ... really now.