Brandon Spikes Video

[Patsrock]

Why wow just wow.

Did you cry foul when Pat Patriot was dumped?

No ... he did nothing to help the team win so nobody cared.

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...d/10/302052-semi-ot-pat-patriot-arrested.html

Well hookers are illegal big difference!

 

[Sicilian]

Why wow just wow.

Did you cry foul when Pat Patriot was dumped?

No ... he did nothing to help the team win so nobody cared.

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...d/10/302052-semi-ot-pat-patriot-arrested.html

Do you really not see the difference? The key word here is "arrested" as in, he committed a CRIME. Spikes did not.

 

[apple strudel]

Wait...did I miss the part where porn became illegal?

Legality is a bit of a misnomer here. The NFL PCP states that it requires behavior that

is responsible, that promotes the values upon which the league is based, and is lawful.

Not just legal, but legal, responsible, and promtes league values. It is an incredibly vague and broad standard. Not meeting one can, in the eyes of the league, subject you to some form of punishment at Goodell's discretion. To be honest, I'm amazed the union ever signed off on it in this form.

 

[alamo]

Faulk's weed was his personal problem.

ILLEGAL. So illegal things you personally approve of are Ok?

Spikes saw nothing wrong with putting his porn on the web for all to see.

And legal things which you don't personally approve of... cut him.

I see.

By the way, Spikes did not "put his porn on the web for all to see". He put it out there for a few anonymous others to see (if the chatroulette part is true). I can eaily see how with his life experience he could rationalize that only a few people would ever see it or care and it would never come back to hurt him. This is not Linda Lovelace or Tracy Lords.

 

[apple strudel]

If a player was to do a photo shoot for Playgirl would he be kicked out of the NFL? I would hope not.

Probably not, but he might get a talking to and a short leash. And the CBA permits that. Not that I agree with it.

 

[IcyPatriot]

Do you really not see the difference? The key word here is "arrested" as in, he committed a CRIME. Spikes did not.

A crime is a breach of law committed against the state.
That's Mr. Krafts call not mine but they are personal incidents not viewable by the public.

A personal transgression is something that may or may not bring shame to a company or organization. That video is on the web forever --- Brandon Spikes Patriot player masturbation video. It did not get there by accident ... Chatroulette is not an accident. So now Mr. Kraft is supposed to help people raise money for charity while he has this guy on his team who happens to have a porn video on the web ... sweet ... real sweet.

BTW if Spikes was a minor when the video was made then yes a crime was committed if the woman was an adult ... Spikes went along with it so he would be an accomplice if she was an adult.

 

[TheGodInAGreyHoodie]

Legality is a bit of a misnomer here. The NFL PCP states that it requires behavior that Not just legal, but legal, responsible, and promtes league values. It is an incredibly vague and broad standard. Not meeting one can, in the eyes of the league, subject you to some form of punishment at Goodell's discretion. To be honest, I'm amazed the union ever signed off on it in this form.

And if Goodell was ever start punishing players for legal non-harmful behavior you can bet the union would quickly unsign off on it in this form.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

In the eyes of the law Roethlisberger did nothing wrong and did not break the law. Not charged, not convicted. Yet he's holding a 6 game suspension.

Ben was being accused for the second time as an NFL player, and being investigated by law enforcement for potentially violating the law by engaging in illegal activity. There was insufficient evidence to prosecute, but their was sufficient evidence of a pattern of disturbing behavior emerging. Ben didn't suffer any consequences until the second time around.

I hope Goodell does have a word with Spikes, and Kraft has several. That said, he isn't accused of doing anything illegal as far as we know. Just something pretty foolish before he was drafted by the NFL, which that being his goal and bound to elevate his profile was beyond stupid.

If the league has to start disciplining them for stupidity, let alone unrelated to their employment status, a lockout will pale in comparison.

 

[Betterthanmost]

You cant take the guys livelyhood away for a dumb moment a few years back before he was in the NFL where nothing illegal occured and no one got hurt, jeesum crowe

Just pointing out something here. Chatroulette was created by a 17 year old Russian and went into full operation in December 2009!!.
When did Spike leave College again? When did he become a draftee? Who is a draftee? Commish's rule says that once you are a draftee you represent the NFL and everything you do is fair game. There are a lot to look into in this. Spike should not try to convince people that in the space of a few months(I am going to give him the benefit of doubt and say he did this in December 2009),
he has changed so much that this was done when he was such a young guy in College. Puhlease....
I just want the attention on this to go quickly away.
So it is not a few years away, I actually thing this was done in May 2010 or after because that is when he totally got his arms all filled up like the hand in video. You can see his posted pictures on his facebook page when he was getting them done.

 

[IcyPatriot]

ILLEGAL. So illegal things you personally approve of are Ok?


And legal things which you don't personally approve of... cut him.

I would have cut him ... it was Mr. Krafts call.

An organizations reputation and honor are earned ... we need to shorten the leash on transgressions IMO.
............

 

[RobertWeathers]

If the league has to start disciplining them for stupidity, let alone unrelated to their employment status, a lockout will pale in comparison.

As a fmr NEP coach once mused, "Look, football players are not choir boys. OK?"

 

[Patsrock]

A crime is a breach of law committed against the state.
That's Mr. Krafts call not mine but they are personal incidents not viewable by the public.

A personal transgression is something that may or may not bring shame to a company or organization. That video is on the web forever --- Brandon Spikes Patriot player masturbation video. It did not get there by accident ... Chatroulette is not an accident. So now Mr. Kraft is supposed to help people raise money for charity while he has this guy on his team who happens to have a porn video on the web ... sweet ... real sweet.

BTW if Spikes was a minor when the video was made then yes a crime was committed if the woman was an adult ... Spikes went along with it so he would be an accomplice if she was an adult.

And BB cheating on his wife will always be on the web. If you keep going on morals, then you must also say Kraft should fire BB for doing a morally wrong thing. So should Kraft have fired BB for bad morals of cheating on your wife.

BTW if she was a adult and he was under the age of consent then he was raped and thus can not be a accomplice.

 

[Sicilian]

BTW if Spikes was a minor when the video was made then yes a crime was committed if the woman was an adult ... Spikes went along with it so he would be an accomplice if she was an adult.

I'm going to give you a chance to rephrase this. As written, you're saying when a minor is statuatory raped, it's the kid's fault. Nice.

 

[upstater1]

I'm going to give you a chance to rephrase this. As written, you're saying when a minor is statuatory raped, it's the kid's fault. Nice.

Right, rape victims are not accomplices to a crime. That's just absurd.

Besides, I need to see the statutory rape laws which prohibit sex with 17 year olds.

Anybody?

 

[TheGodInAGreyHoodie]

BTW if Spikes was a minor when the video was made then yes a crime was committed if the woman was an adult ... Spikes went along with it so he would be an accomplice if she was an adult.

Where the hell did you attend law school? Because that is 100% false. If Spikes was below the legal age of consent and she was an adult than she has committed a crime and he is the victim of said crime. A minor/victim can not be charged as an accomplice to statutory rape, because what they did was consensual.

In fact if a minor through fraud convinces an adult that he/she is of legal age the adult is still guilty of the crime and the child is still innocent of all criminal behavior. (Personally I think that is wrong, and that if the adult had an honest and reasonable belief that the other was of age, it should be a defense, but that is the law).

 

[Sicilian]

Right, rape victims are not accomplices to a crime. That's just absurd.

Besides, I need to see the statutory rape laws which prohibit sex with 17 year olds.

Anybody?

It depends on the state, but I was more referring to the idea that if Spikes was a minor in the video, he could somehow be charged as an accomplice in underage pornography. It was an incredibly ridiculous idea to put forth by Icy.

 

[upstater1]

Legality is a bit of a misnomer here. The NFL PCP states that it requires behavior that Not just legal, but legal, responsible, and promtes league values. It is an incredibly vague and broad standard. Not meeting one can, in the eyes of the league, subject you to some form of punishment at Goodell's discretion. To be honest, I'm amazed the union ever signed off on it in this form.

You're stretching something that was never meant to be stretched. Infidelity, unmarried sex, etc., are not covered here, or else there wouldn't be a league at all.

 

[woolster22]

Legality is a bit of a misnomer here. The NFL PCP states that it requires behavior that Not just legal, but legal, responsible, and promtes league values. It is an incredibly vague and broad standard. Not meeting one can, in the eyes of the league, subject you to some form of punishment at Goodell's discretion. To be honest, I'm amazed the union ever signed off on it in this form.

Thats all fine and dandy, but I am missing the part where it was decided that Spikes put this out in the public domain? Version I got was it was on chatroullete and some @sshat decided it would be fun to record and then redistribute the video.

 

[IcyPatriot]

I'm going to give you a chance to rephrase this. As written, you're saying when a minor is statuatory raped, it's the kid's fault. Nice.

Don't put words in my mouth ...

If she was an adult and he a minor and the laws of that state say it's a crime then it's a crime. He went along with it willingly so he aided her in the crime.
Of course he's not legally chargeable ... but he did go along with a criminal activity if it was against the law in that state.

Shame on you for comparing a minor being raped to consensual sex.

I wonder if he was Jet if your attitude would be the same ... we'll have to use the search feature to see how you felt about other teams players committing transgressions.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

A crime is a breach of law committed against the state.
That's Mr. Krafts call not mine but they are personal incidents not viewable by the public.

A personal transgression is something that may or may not bring shame to a company or organization. That video is on the web forever --- Brandon Spikes Patriot player masturbation video. It did not get there by accident ... Chatroulette is not an accident. So now Mr. Kraft is supposed to help people raise money for charity while he has this guy on his team who happens to have a porn video on the web ... sweet ... real sweet.

BTW if Spikes was a minor when the video was made then yes a crime was committed if the woman was an adult ... Spikes went along with it so he would be an accomplice if she was an adult.

Not that that is the way it works... but Brandon was 19 before he took his first freshman class at Florida. The age of consent in Florida is 18, and there are even close in age exemptions to that rule. He turns 23 on Friday.