Brady and McDaniels hated each other... [Price: No sign of it from players]

[BradyManny]

Re: Brady and McDaniels hated each other....

And if you watched the game, they made adjustments all game long. It was just that the adjustments didn't work. They started the game trying to exploit the Giants' weak secondary and when that failed, they started a lot of screen and short passes but Brady didn't have time to even make those passes.

There could have been an argument on the sidelines. Brady is a firey guy and yells a lot on the sidelines. I just think the substance of the argument was BS. McDaniels made a lot of adjustments that game. You can argue he made the wrong adjustments, but he did make adjustments. All you need to do is go back and look at unoriginal's breakdown thread.

But I am tired of rehashing that old argument.

I remember unoriginal's breakdown - and I remember a big component of what he said was that the gameplan was not flawed, simply that they couldn't execute it b/c the O-line played like it was hungover. I don't think its out of the realm of possibilities that McDaniels said that to Brady at halftime - for that very reason. The gameplan should have worked and would have it Mankins, Koppen and Hochstein didn't perform so horribly.

That, plus McDaniels fiery nature, and the number of similar verbal disputes he's gotten in with both coaches AND players in his short history makes it pretty easy to believe.

As for adjustments, I don't consider throwing short screens an adjustment for this offense, that has been a huge component of their game this entire decade - and the first play of the game was a screen pass, it was part of their game from the get-go. To me, the adjustment that needed to be made - and was made on the final scoring drive - was stop trying to get to Moss over-the-top, because they simply didn't have enough time to do it, b/c the O-line was pathetic that night.

I have no problem with either of these rumors. Coaches & players have spats all the time. It's naive to think these guys wouldn't disagree or have strong opinions on things, especially given McDaniel's track record and his personality as a coach - and that's not necessarily a bad thing.

 

[strongside]

Re: Brady and McDaniels hated each other....

I lost a lot of respect for Mcdaniel's after the Hulkamania routine he burst into following the loss at Denver. He's a bright up and coming coach but has a lot to learn.

 

[Armen Da Pats Fan]

Re: Brady and McDaniels hated each other....

Word up is that Josh joshed Brady about that infamous 'lamb' picture...

Didn't everybody?

 

[chris66]

Re: Brady and McDaniels hated each other....

How can anybody read florios crap. that site Should just die it has to be the worst football site ever

 

[jmt57]

Re: Brady and McDaniels hated each other....

More on this story, or non-story depending on your point of view. Christopher Price of WEEI spoke to two players from that team and both said they were unaware of any problem between Brady and McDaniels.

It Is What It Is Players: No sign of Brady-McDaniels feud in 2005

 

[PatsFanSince74]

Re: Brady and McDaniels hated each other....

More on this story, or non-story depending on your point of view. Christopher Price of WEEI spoke to two players from that team and both said they were unaware of any problem between Brady and McDaniels.

It Is What It Is Players: No sign of Brady-McDaniels feud in 2005

Yes, and also people should read the original article. Klis is basically reporting a "rumor as fact" without any corroboration and the result is that we're now onto the fifth page of a thread (doubtless to grow longer) talking about, well, air.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

Re: Brady and McDaniels hated each other....

How can anybody read florios crap. that site Should just die it has to be the worst football site ever

yes, in this case he is creating a multi-level rumor, rumoring about a rumor that another writer (Klis of the Denver Post) started without corroboration, based no doubt on yet another unsubstantiated rumor that he heard from yet another unidentified third party. Amazing that these guys actually get payed to do this stuff.

I wouldn't argue that two highly competitive guys like Josh and TB might not have bumped heads, but there's nothing in the writings of Florio or Klis to prove that it actually occurred, which is the foundation of this thread.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Re: Brady and McDaniels hated each other....

More on this story, or non-story depending on your point of view. Christopher Price of WEEI spoke to two players from that team and both said they were unaware of any problem between Brady and McDaniels.

It Is What It Is Players: No sign of Brady-McDaniels feud in 2005

LOL But regardless Josh must have been trying to pull a mini Bill...

Maybe he tried to pull a mini Charlie. Weis was only one of the most foul mouthed, button pushing SOB OC's in history. Toughened the hell out of his charges though...

Josh was Tom's QB's coach in 2004 before becoming the defacto OC in 2005. For all we know maybe Josh resented Flutie being brought in as a veteran sounding board for Brady, as I recall at Brady's urging. Maybe Brady got teed off when old Rohan got the gate and Cassel stuck in the 3-hole. Rohan couldn't run this offense to save his soul, but he was well liked in the locker room, and Cassel was likely selected on Josh's scouting recommendation.

Tommy's probably had a week or two or three in his career where he didn't have a civil word to say to Belichick, too. But like they say you get over it and move on (or in some cases move out). For the record publicly, he's had nothing but positively glowing things to say about anyone he worked with in almost a decade here. But we do know he's also ultra competitive and driven and demanding and prone even in camera range to the occasional fbomb launching tirade of his own. So is Josh, as was Charlie. This is football, not the ladies sewing circle. Pushback is supposed to be a good thing...

I do think some kindhearted MOD might have edited this thread title by now to something more appropriate like Rumor: Brady and McDaniels didn't talk for 3 weeks once...as opposed to Brady and McDaniels hated each other...

 

[PatsFaninME]

Re: Brady and McDaniels hated each other....

Broncos will suck this year, next year will be his ultimatum year and after two years McDaniels will be begging for a job somewhere. McDaniels rode the coat-tails of the best QB in histroy of the game after taking over an offense the Weiss had developed and now he's being exposed for what he really is.

 

[Deus Irae]

Re: Brady and McDaniels hated each other....

Broncos will suck this year, next year will be his ultimatum year and after two years McDaniels will be begging for a job somewhere. McDaniels rode the coat-tails of the best QB in histroy of the game after taking over an offense the Weiss had developed and now he's being exposed for what he really is.

A coach who, in his very first year as a head coach, lost his "franchise QB" who was pouting because his previous coach had gotten the axe and he hadn't gotten a new contract, had his best player pouting all season long and getting suspensions, played a ridiculously difficult schedule, converted his defense from a 4-3 to a 3-4, and STILL put together a team that had as good a record as the offensive genius that preceded him had been able to put up the previous year?

Belichick didn't have as good a first year in New England as McDaniels had in Denver, for crying out loud.

 

[tuckeverlasting]

Re: Brady and McDaniels hated each other....

Word up is that Josh joshed Brady about that infamous 'lamb' picture...

it's a goat signifying "greatest of all time". does anyone get that yet ?

mcdaniels is a good coach who left too soon. negative for him and the pats. wish he was still here. continuity is good, especially with all the player turnover in the nfl these days.

 

[pats1]

Price says he spoke to two 2005 players today, and they said they said there was no sign of it:

It Is What It Is Players: No sign of Brady-McDaniels feud in 2005