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Another unsung hero: Dorsett

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I said it in another thread. While Dorsett has largely been MIA this season, he is still a talented guy, former first rounder who hauled in a great catch. That was difficult and clutch.
This really gets me heated a bit. When he gets his limited snaps, he is almost always open. Go watch film. Whatever the issue is, you will have to ask Brady. I am not shading Brady by the way, just pointing out fact.
 
This really gets me heated a bit. When he gets his limited snaps, he is almost always open. Go watch film. Whatever the issue is, you will have to ask Brady. I am not shading Brady by the way, just pointing out fact.
11 catches in the regular season. Has he been a valuable blocker as fnord just said to me? Certainly. For a receiving group that has been injured throughout the year (Edelman, Mitchell, Hogan for over half the season), Dorsett still hasn't gotten the looks.

I don't know why the ball doesn't go to him more. Just a lot of guys Brady would prefer to look to before him, or there is a lack of trust for some reason.

MIA is a little extreme but he has been mostly healthy and yet targeted so little. When he does get thrown to he makes the catches.
 
Play him more in the Super Bowl. The defense will at least have to account for his speed. If he is open, just get him the ball.
 
i dont think Hogan is still hurt, probably getting rid of some rust

but mostly, he was role of #2 WR, and hogan is a great #2 WR, but when covered by a #2 CB, Jax had two all pro CBs, Hogan against an all pro CB is not a good matchup

Hogan excels when he is facing a #2-4 CB, bc he is a #2/3 WR, in our offense next year he will 4th target behind Gronk, Cooks and JE...in that role Hogan will against start kicking ass
 

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I said it in another thread. While Dorsett has largely been MIA this season, he is still a talented guy, former first rounder who hauled in a great catch. That was difficult and clutch.

Agree about the catch. That's 3 of his 13 catches this season that have gone for more than 30 yards (the other two were 38 and 39). Five of his 13 catches have gone for 20+. His YPC is now 17.3 and his catch rate is now 72%.

He's definitely been MIA in terms of what the TV camera shows us. In terms of snap counts in the regular season:
... White = 383
... Dorsett = 377
... Develin = 344
... Hollister = 86

He's been on the field a lot more than most folks realize because, while he hasn't been where the ball has gone (the broadcast camera tracks the ball almost exclusively), he's been doing some very nice blocking - and, of course, the guys in the booth very rarely even mention WR blocking, so how would anyone know?
 
This really gets me heated a bit. When he gets his limited snaps, he is almost always open. Go watch film. Whatever the issue is, you will have to ask Brady. I am not shading Brady by the way, just pointing out fact.

11 catches in the regular season.
Nit-picking - it was 12, on 18 tgts for 194 yards.

Has he been a valuable blocker as fnord just said to me? Certainly. For a receiving group that has been injured throughout the year (Edelman, Mitchell, Hogan for over half the season), Dorsett still hasn't gotten the looks.

I don't know why the ball doesn't go to him more. Just a lot of guys Brady would prefer to look to before him, or there is a lack of trust for some reason.

MIA is a little extreme but he has been mostly healthy and yet targeted so little. When he does get thrown to he makes the catches.

Here's the thing about "Brady's trust"...

The Pats run pass plays out of 11, 12, 13, 21, and 22 personnel.

With 3-4 healthy WRs, 2-3 healthy RBs (not counting Bolden) and 3 healthy TEs, they have up to 36 ways to staff those personnel packages. That's potentially 180 different plays right there.

Then there's the huge number of different formations they can run - multiple different sets with 0, 1 or 2 players in the backfield with Brady (and Brady either in shotgun, "pony" or under center), trips, 2x2, tight run formations, etc. Multiply those numbers with each other and then multiply whatever the result is by 180.

That's already up to probably 20,000+ potential permutations and we haven't even gotten to route combos and receiver-blocking assignment sight adjustments yet, much less Patriots-specific terminology. It's a crap-tonne to learn.

Those permutations may be whittled down to, IDK, maybe 100 (?) in the game plan for a specific opponent, and then those plays are practiced. Whichever players are consistently best at executing a significant majority of those specific plays are the guys who are going to get the majority of Brady's 1st, 2nd or even 3rd reads in the game.

Guys like Dorsett and Britt (or even Allen or Hollister) may execute some percentage of those plays fairly well, but just not as well as, or as consistently as, the other guys who have more experience (which is part of what makes Cooks' contributions this season so remarkable). So, Dorsett/Britt simply won't get as many early reads in the game. They may run their route (and adjustment) perfectly and get open, but Brady has already calculated that Gronk, Amendola, Cooks or Hogan are already open (or going to be) enough for him to make the throw. That Dorsett et al don't see as many targets as the "big four" doesn't necessarily mean he's crap. It just means that he hasn't been as good - as often - in practice - on as many plays - as the "big four".

Part of what sets Brady so far above most other QBs is that he's so quick and accurate with his reads of defenders (and his own pass targets), as well as with his throws, that he simply doesn't need to get very far into his progressions very often. So, it doesn't matter if the 3rd or 4th guy on the list for that specific play gets open. Brady simply doesn't need to go that far down the list very often.

OTOH, there may also be a handful of plays that those "2nd-tier guys" execute well enough, and consistently enough, to get one of those early looks from Brady. If a situation arises in the game where running one of those plays is appropriate, those "2nd-tier" guys will get a target (read, at least).

But those pre-game designs and decisions are mostly McD, not Brady. The final, on-the-field decision on what play (option) to run is Brady's based on his pre-snap read, sure. But I doubt he deliberately avoids those plays that target "2nd-tier" pass-catchers if those players have been consistently executing them successfully in practice - certainly not if McD has decided that one of those plays is appropriate and called it in from the sideline.

IOW, it's not as simple as "Brady's trust"; it's also on McD.
 
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My mistake. I thought his contract expired after this season.

Actually, it did initially, but the Pats picked up his 5th-year option for 2018 (~$8M) shortly after the trade.

Good move, I'd say.
 
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I've appreciated his effort all year. Does good work in run blocking. It's hard to get many opportunities when you are seldom even the 3rd look on a play. It's too bad he doesn't contribute in the kicking game. He's a good piece of the puzzle.




Yes, Brady dropped a DIME on him... but it was still a helluva catch in crunch time... especially for a guy who's NEW to crunch time... and caught just 12 balls this year.

He did his job.
 
11 catches in the regular season. Has he been a valuable blocker as fnord just said to me? Certainly. For a receiving group that has been injured throughout the year (Edelman, Mitchell, Hogan for over half the season), Dorsett still hasn't gotten the looks.

I don't know why the ball doesn't go to him more. Just a lot of guys Brady would prefer to look to before him, or there is a lack of trust for some reason.

MIA is a little extreme but he has been mostly healthy and yet targeted so little. When he does get thrown to he makes the catches.

Brady may not trust him until that whole colts effluence wears off him
 
This really gets me heated a bit. When he gets his limited snaps, he is almost always open. Go watch film. Whatever the issue is, you will have to ask Brady. I am not shading Brady by the way, just pointing out fact.
it's just Brady looking first at gronk, then cooks, then hogan, then a RB and then holy crap, who's left, so he doesn't get a lot of opportunities.
 
it's just Brady looking first at gronk, then cooks, then hogan, then a RB and then holy crap, who's left, so he doesn't get a lot of opportunities.
Some people have been saying that he is often open. So why doesn't Brady throw to an open receiver? He was #3 on the WR depth chart for a majority of the season and just 11 catches.

He has had little impact in the passing game despite the opportunity with injuries.
 
Did you not read some of the responses? Maineman explained it pretty well.
 
Some people have been saying that he is often open. So why doesn't Brady throw to an open receiver? He was #3 on the WR depth chart for a majority of the season and just 11 catches.

He has had little impact in the passing game despite the opportunity with injuries.

Dorsett made a decent amount out of the opportunities he had in the regular season:

... 12 of 18 (66.7%), 194 yds (16.2 YPC), 8 1st downs (66.7% of his receptions).
... 4th most targeted WR .. 8th most receiving yards
..... in a year with three very good receiving RBs, and two players breaking 1000 receiving yds
... the next guy below Dorsett was Allen: 10/22 (45%), 86 yds (8.6 YPC)

In previous seasons:
2016 - 4th most WR tgts/7th most receiving yds (Amendola) ... 23/29 (79%), 243 yds (10.6 YPC)

2015 - 4th most WR tgts/7th most receiving yds (Keshawn Martin) ... 24/37 (65%), 269 yds (11.2 YPC)

2014 - 4th most WR tgts/7th most receiving yds (Tyms) ... 5/11 (45%), 82 yds (16.4 YPC)

2013 - 4th most WR tgts/5th most receiving yds (Thompkins) ... 32/69 (46%), 466 yds (14.6 YPC)
... For a Thompkins comp - Mitchell in 2016: 32/48 (66.7%), 401 yds (12.5 YPC)

2012 - 4th most WR tgts/8th most receiving yds (Branch) ... 16/29 (55%), 145 yds (9.1 YPC)

2011 - 4th most WR tgts/9th most receiving yds (Edelman) ... 4/9 (45%), 34 yds (8.5 YPC)
 
I like his chances next year. Of Edelman, Amandola, and Hogan, given the health and contract status combinations, we'll probably only see one be able to win a significant position coming out of camp. All three are tough and fighters, but there are limitations to that.

Given another year to learn, he could move into the space created.

We can only hope he takes a huge step up in year two.
 
Good play? yes

But there's probably at least 25 Pats that had more contributions than Dorsett in that game (and that's probably low-balling it).
 
I like his chances next year. Of Edelman, Amandola, and Hogan, given the health and contract status combinations, we'll probably only see one be able to win a significant position coming out of camp. All three are tough and fighters, but there are limitations to that.

Given another year to learn, he could move into the space created.

We can only hope he takes a huge step up in year two.

Another perspective ...

If Dorsett can improve to even 75% of Cooks' 2017 production in 2018, while successfully running a significantly more diverse route portfolio than either one of them did in 2017, it may help solve the issue of how much to pay Cooks.

Player A (turns 25 in 2018):
... 5096/190 .. 4.33/40, 1.54/10yd .. 16 reps .. 36 vj/120 lj .. 3.81 ss/6.76 3c

Player B (turns 25 in 2018):
... 5096/185 .. 4.33/40, 1.54/10yd .. 13 reps .. 37 vj/122 lj .. 4.11 ss/6.70 3c

Which one works hardest to improve over the off-season?
 
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