PostGame Thread 2024 OFFICIAL PostGame Thread: Week 13 - Patriots lose to Colts 25-24

[Clonamery]

What's the context here?

 

[KCSVEN]

Thanks. This is great. Where did you get those stats?

There are 4 different sites that had some of this data, this message board post had the % numbers I put at bottom of post

Odds of becoming a quality player in the NFL - by draft round

Odds of becoming a quality player in the NFL - by draft round

247sports.com

 

[Hammer of Thor]

“Other than that Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play?”

 

[Ross12]

Interesting back and forth with Patriots HC Jerod Mayo on WEEI when he was being asked about coaching decisions on calling timeouts, going for two, etc.

Mayo: "Can I ask a question? If we were losing — look, losing stinks, regardless — if we were losing games by, let’s just say, 21 points a game versus being in the games at the end — and I understand we lost those games, which is better? It’s losing football."

WEEI: "So, you’re saying it doesn’t matter?"

Mayo: "No, what I'm saying is we have to be able to control the ball. We have to go out there and play, you know, fundamentally sound. And I'm not going to say conservative or anything like that, but you're coaching and also playing to have a chance at the end of the game. Because we know the one score games like, that's what the NFL is."

WEEI: "Well, it's also probably you don't have the track meet offense, where if you're down 10, 15 points in the second half, it's not a team that likely is going to come back."

Mayo: "I’m just saying."

 

[mike_usagisan]

Mayo doesn't seem to understand the difference about the strategy. The Super Bowl not calling the timeout was a totally different situation than the one that was occurring yesterday. Another example of open mouth insert foot, demonstrate how you are in the Eberflus category of game management.

It's interesting to me that he had to call Evan Rothstein, "assistant quarterbacks coach/director of game management," about what to do in the situation the Bears found themselves in. So he's basically given time out strategy to Evan. He doesn't have a say in the offense. We don't see him coaching much on defense. What exactly is it that he is good at?

 

[Clonamery]

WEEI: "Well, it's also probably you don't have the track meet offense, where if you're down 10, 15 points in the second half, it's not a team that likely is going to come back."

Mayo: "I’m just saying."

I'm a lame duck.

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

He's a huge ego guy, hence the hall if fame. He needs his ego stroked with a filled stadium. He's Jerry Jones Jr. And billionaires can never have enough money. Was the first billon enough?

Sure most billionaires love money (I know one, and he sure does!), but as you say, his ego is huge. That's the main driver. He'd rather lose $100 million than admit that the great Bob Kraft, surefire HoFer, made a fool of himself. But if the franchise becomes a laughingstock for sustained futility post-BB, that could prod a move. Jonathan is the wildcard. Bob is old and feebleminded (the Mayo decision reflects that).

 

[p8ryts]

It's interesting to me that he had to call Evan Rothstein, "assistant quarterbacks coach/director of game management," about what to do in the situation the Bears found themselves in. So he's basically given time out strategy to Evan. He doesn't have a say in the offense. We don't see him coaching much on defense. What exactly is it that he is good at?

Jeez, don't they have an operation in place to immediately get the best view, pass it to the coach for a challenge decision? He sounded like they don't even have that procedure in place. Granted the Colts ran the next play quickly, but he sounded like it was a new concept to him. Every time he opens his mouth; he digs the hole deeper.

 

[sb1]

Mayo needs to STFU right now. He's really bad at talking to the media and it's making him look ridiculous. Just borrow Bill's stock answers if you need to.

 

[vicspats]

I hold amusing nonsense in very high regard. I would build a shrine to it if I could, but make shift with online antics instead

If you can’t laugh at yourself … make sure you’re laughing at someone else !!

 

[vicspats]

Mayo needs to STFU right now. He's really bad at the media and it's making him look ridiculous. Just borrow Bill's stock answers if you need to.

Too late. He did everything in his power to NOT channel his inner Belichick… now he’s stuck just being sideline Mayo

 

[Ross12]

 

[TheRainMaker]

Mayo probably told his teammates in the locker room after the 2011 Super Bowl loss to the Giants that their defense did fantastic aside from the final drive. They were terrible allowing the Giants to hold onto the ball twice as long as the Pats.

This guy is bad news and needs to go!

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

Mayo: "Can I ask a question? If we were losing — look, losing stinks, regardless — if we were losing games by, let’s just say, 21 points a game versus being in the games at the end — and I understand we lost those games, which is better? It’s losing football."

WEEI: "So, you’re saying it doesn’t matter?"

I'm as confused as WEEI is about his statement. He seems to be saying that they are playing losing football whether or not he screws up timeouts, tactical decisions and challenges. He just will not hold himself accountable. He's blaming everyone but himself AGAIN. If only those darn players would play well enough when they go between the lines so my screwups were irrelevant...

Mayo: "No, what I'm saying is we have to be able to control the ball. We have to go out there and play, you know, fundamentally sound. And I'm not going to say conservative or anything like that, but you're coaching and also playing to have a chance at the end of the game. Because we know the one score games like, that's what the NFL is."

To have a chance at the end of the game in the NFL -- especially if you are the Patriots -- you need to use your timeouts well and make strong tactical decisions throughout (and good strategic decisions during the week up to the game). You can't afford stupid penalties. Victory hangs by a thread with this team. His coaching (hard to call it that, but I'll be generous) features none of that. So they lose to bad teams, though Drake Maye's massive talent makes them seem more competitive than they are.

WEEI: "Well, it's also probably you don't have the track meet offense, where if you're down 10, 15 points in the second half, it's not a team that likely is going to come back."

Mayo: "I’m just saying."

He sounds like a middle schooler, not an NFL head coach.

 

[condon84]

Mayo doesn't seem to understand the difference about the strategy. The Super Bowl not calling the timeout was a totally different situation than the one that was occurring yesterday. Another example of open mouth insert foot, demonstrate how you are in the Eberflus category of game management.

Trying to compare the two situations exemplifies Mayo's coaching acumen.

 

[Ross12]

It's interesting to me that he had to call Evan Rothstein, "assistant quarterbacks coach/director of game management," about what to do in the situation the Bears found themselves in. So he's basically given time out strategy to Evan. He doesn't have a say in the offense. We don't see him coaching much on defense. What exactly is it that he is good at?

He does not seem to make ANY decisions, at all... he defers playcalling on both sides to his OC and DC, and he defers in-game management to the booth (whether that is Evan Rothstein himself or someone else up there telling Evan what to tell Jerod). He won't call a timeout, challenge, go for 2, or do any kind of HC decision making without being told to do it.

So, essentially Mayo does nothing. Which I think is pretty obvious from watching the games. We never see him do anything.

Pretty much all head coaches do most of the following throughout the game:
- Takes notes or writes things down
- Has a playsheet and/or a tablet from which he reviews what just happened/is going on in-game to make adjustments
- Talks to the refs to gauge things
- Yells at the refs for bad calls or things he doesn't agree with
- Talks to his bench/pulls players together to plan something or even just rally the troops
- Speaks with his QB after drives

I have never seen Mayo do any of these things. All I have seen him do is wander aimlessly and fidget with his headset as if he is pretending to use it.

 

[Patsfan1645]

Well after watching yesterday I am now firmly in the AVP needs to go as well category. I had been leaning this way for a couple weeks but now its solidified. I mean come on, is he even watching the game or does he have the entire game just scripted. Gibson had the hot hand and yet at the end when we needed to score we went back to Rham..wtf? Gibson was carving up the defense yesterday with a speed that Rham doesn't have. Rham carried 18 times for 73 yards (4.1 avg) and Gibson carried 7 for 62 (8.9 avg). That's the guy we are supposed to be throwing the ball to but we don't and yet he was ripping it up on the ground. We continue to try to run up the middle on first down the majority of the time, it never changes and that was the strength of the Colts D. I guess one size does fit all? I also recall on a 3rd and less than a yard instead of letting our big QB do a sneak and pick up the first we pitch it back to Rham to do the same play that rarely works on first downs. I see people saying that AVP called a decent ( as in serviceable) game and at times I agree but we remain very predictable and rarely adjust. I would like to see more variety in the play calling, some RPO, throw the ball to Gibson more (please show AVP some videos of James White) especially when Rham is getting stuffed at the line and stop trying to have him run wide as he isn't fast enough and we don't have the line to create positive yardage. I just don't think AVP play calling is good beyond a basic level.

 

[turkeyneck]

Trying to compare the two situations exemplifies Mayo's coaching acumen.

It's clear he doesn't understand what happened in the SB or what happened yesterday.

 

[Patsfan1645]

He does not seem to make ANY decisions, at all... he defers playcalling on both sides to his OC and DC, and he defers in-game management to the booth (whether that is Evan Rothstein himself or someone else up there telling Evan what to tell Jerod). He won't call a timeout, challenge, go for 2, or do any kind of HC decision making without being told to do it.

So, essentially Mayo does nothing. Which I think is pretty obvious from watching the games. We never see him do anything.

Pretty much all head coaches do most of the following throughout the game:
- Takes notes or writes things down
- Has a playsheet and/or a tablet from which he reviews what just happened/is going on in-game to make adjustments
- Talks to the refs to gauge things
- Yells at the refs for bad calls or things he doesn't agree with
- Talks to his bench/pulls players together to plan something or even just rally the troops
- Speaks with his QB after drives

I have never seen Mayo do any of these things. All I have seen him do is wander aimlessly and fidget with his headset as if he is pretending to use it.

I have on a couple occasions seen him walk partially on the field when a player is hurt but generally he doesn't go check on the player just walks out a little to show he is concerned and then back to the sidelines.

 

[Ross12]

I have on a couple occasions seen him walk partially on the field when a player is hurt but generally he doesn't go check on the player just walks out a little to show he is concerned and then back to the sidelines.

LOL, I have seen that one too. He never actually goes to check on anyone, he just seems to... pretend like he is going to for the camera... It seems like it's all performative. Like someone who has no idea how to do their job and is just faking it by doing the physical motions he has observed other people with his job do.