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    What was the biggest upset loss for the Patriots ever in the post-season?

    2010 was awful. 2007 was the greatest team in NFL history by basically every measure (DVOA, SRS, ELO, margin of victory, point differential) but the 2010 team was a top 5-10 team in history, at least in the regular season. The 2010 Patriots were the #4 team in DVOA history (1978-2024) and the #7...
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    Which great Patriots team was the best? (Poll Added)

    1. 2007 2. 2004 I think 3-5 are 2010, 2014, 2016 in no specific order. 2012 is also right there with those three. Yeah, I know lots of Patriots fans have a sour taste about the 2010 team but Top 10 DVOA, 1978-2024 1. 2007 Patriots 52.3% 2. 1991 Redskins 49.5% 3. 1985 Bears 45.8% 4. 2010...
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    Bill's Decisions, Good & Bad

    Excluding Butler, not kicking the field goal on 4th and 13 in Super Bowl 42 is the worst decision Belichick ever made. Going for it on 4th and 13 instead of attempting a 49 yard field goal in a dome is mind boggling. If Gostkowski hits that field goal, I think the last drive that began with 35...
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    Worst Super Bowl teams ever

    The 2015 Panthers and 2024 Chiefs are a good comparison. Funnily enough, they both went 15-1* while not being a great team for a completely different reason. The 2015 Panthers played an extremely easy schedule and were more "dominant" than the 2024 Chiefs. The 2024 Chiefs played a difficult...
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    NFL GAME DAY DISCUSSION 2024 Week 13 Other NFL Games

    Rodgers has had the ball with an opportunity to win the game in the 4th quarter 6 times this season. The Jets are 0-6 in those games. You can throw out the Patriots game where he got the ball back with 22 seconds if you wanted and he’s still 0-5.
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    NFL GAME DAY DISCUSSION 2024 Week 13 Other NFL Games

    I can see it now: the Chiefs defense will carry them against a great Lions offense. Just how they shut down a good Ravens offense and held a historic 49ers offense to under 20 in regulation last season.
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    Least favorite Patriots teams

    Since 2000 the 3 (1 is a sort of cheat) that stand out are: 2009 Patriots 2019 Patriots Weeks 9-Wild Card Round 2023 Patriots That 2019 team in that stretch I mentioned was painful to watch.
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    Can KC go 19-0?

    The Bills beating them was the best moment of the season for me. That 2007 Patriots team and season is even more impressive when you realize they played a tough schedule and won 12/16 games by 10+ and 11/16 by 17+. They weren’t like the 2009 Colts or 2024 Chiefs who were playing a ton of close...
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    NFL GAME DAY DISCUSSION NFL Week 11 Other Games

    You love to see it. The 2010-2011 Packers surprisingly came the closest 2003-2004 Patriots: 21 2010-2011 Packers: 19 1989-1990 49ers: 18 1933-1934 Bears: 18 1941-1942 Bears: 18 1997-1998 Broncos: 18 1972-1973 Dolphins: 18 2007-2008 Patriots: 18 1976-1977 Raiders: 17 2023-2024 Chiefs: 15...
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    The Brady > Mahomes thread - It's not even close

    Those names through 10 games 2005 Colts: 30.5 PPG (1st) 2007 Patriots: 41.1 PPG (1st) 2009 Colts: 26.9 PPG (4th) 2009 Saints: 36.9 PPG (1st) 2011 Packers: 35.5 PPG (1st) 2015 Patriots: 32.3 PPG (2nd) 2020 Steelers: 29.8 PPG (4th) and the Chiefs currently: 2024 Chiefs: 24.3 PPG (11th)
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    The Brady > Mahomes thread - It's not even close

    Manning after 10 games in 2005- 10-0, 2534 yards, 20/7 TD/int, 104.6 rating Brees after 10 games in 2009- 10-0, 2746 yards, 22/9 TD/int, 105.8 rating Rodgers after 10 games in 2011- 10-0, 3168 yards, 31/4 TD/int, 128.8 rating Brady after 10 games in 2015- 10-0, 3320 yards, 25/4 TD/int, 107.4...
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    Can KC go 19-0?

    On top of the 3 championships in 4 years, Brady was already at an MVP level by 2004 (31.6% DVOA) throwing to Givens, Patten, Branch, Graham. And FWIW, the Patriots offense was ranked higher than the defense in 16/18 seasons. The only two seasons where the defense ranked higher was 2003 and 2019.
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    Can KC go 19-0?

    And they weren’t racking up the big victories against a terrible schedule like the 1999 Rams (#2 behind the 2007 Patriots when it comes to average margin of victory (+17.8) in the Super Bowl Era) or the undefeated 1972 Dolphins (+15.3) The 2007 Patriots defeated: 13-3 Colts 13-3 Cowboys 11-5...
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    Can KC go 19-0?

    Crazy. Average Margin of Victory 2007 Patriots: +19.7 2024 Chiefs: +6.4 One-score games 2007 Patriots: 4/16 2024 Chiefs: 7/9
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    Can KC go 19-0?

    Haven’t they won like 4 or 5 of their games due to something like this? There’s no doubt the NFL wants them to have: the undefeated season the 3-peat breaking the 2003-2004 Patriots record for most consecutive wins
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    Can KC go 19-0?

    +58 through 9 games has to be the lowest point differential for an undefeated team, right? I remember thinking the 2009 Colts were lucky, but they were at +110. You could remove their biggest win (+36) and they’d still be +16 more than the 2024 Chiefs.
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    NFL GAME DAY DISCUSSION NFL Week 10 Other Games

    2007 Patriots Point Differential through 9 games: +208 2024 Chiefs Point Differential through 9 games: +58 Hopefully someone beats them. It would be a joke if this team goes undefeated.
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    Can KC go 19-0?

    I’m not going to deny the offense did slow down some by the end of the year (still shredded the Steelers defense in Week 14 and Giants defense in Week 17 though) But that 2nd Jets game was awful weather. 20+ mph wind gusts and rain. The worst possible conditions for passing. And the 2nd...
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    Can KC go 19-0?

    I remember being pissed off that the 2009 Colts and 2015 Panthers had a shot at going undefeated. My reasoning was that those two teams, just like the 2024 Chiefs, are no where near the dominance that was the 2007 Patriots. If another team is going to go undefeated, they should at least come...
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    The Brady > Mahomes thread - It's not even close

    The "Mahomes is the GOAT/best we've ever seen" people are actually delusional and people should just laugh at them. DVOA 1. 2007 Tom Brady: 54.1% 2. 2010 Tom Brady: 46.7% 3. 2009 Tom Brady: 40.4% 4. 2018 Patrick Mahomes: 39.9% 5. 2011 Tom Brady: 35.3% 6. 2012 Tom Brady: 35.1% 7. 2020 Patrick...
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