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That's what I was getting at earlier: belichick went beyond "Coaching them hard" - he was just trying to get a power trip

Exactly. People act like there weren't anecdotes of players in the 80s and 90s on the Giants and Browns who didn't have similar comments about Bill. Unless they're just being entitled too? Yeah, people love bringing up generations like as if there weren't entitled narcissistic kids back in...

No "responsibility" for Belichick? Seems pretty "entitled" for a coach who has had a prior history of not relating well with older players

True but they did show that Kosar was declining post ankle injury, and that the Cleveland fans were generally crazy lunatics. I thought that did a good job of painting Bill in a sympathetic light.

.... you know what I mean

@venecol So I don't agree that Belichick won't be a first ballot HOFer. He easily will be. His reputation isn't hurt that badly. His status as the unquestioned GOAT coach is rightfully gone, however. And I do appreciate your anecdote about LT that you posted. I think that scenario you brought...

The article is paywalled. Can Anybody get some more info?

People don't want to admit it but Bill's last few years post-Brady have hurt his reputation for some. Many don't feel confident giving Bill the reigns if they don't already have an established QB/offense. Espeically with his coaching staff choices. Belichick at this point is best as just a...

Some of these "real pats fans" are just Belichick fans

As bad as signing a 32 year old washed up Cam Newton to replace Tom Brady and then drafting Mac Jones at #15 We could have drafted Jordan Love

People get sensitive about it but it's true. Both QBs underachieved, and the organization itself underachieved, it's just a fact. If the giants can win 2x and the ravens can win with Flacco, no excuse for the Packers to have less rings than Flacco and Eli combined "Decent enough"? Really? Cmon...

I remember Florio reporting this

And probably only 3 rings to show for it lmao

Thanks for saying this. I just now realized that we coulda drafted Love or Hurts instead of taking on Cam Newton who was washed Both choices would have been better than Mac

Sad but true. The Pats ain't that different from the Jets if we are really being honest. Only diff is that the Jets have had bad luck with their QBs

Love already answered it in the preseason game. It was just a matter of putting it altogether in the regular season Which he has. While also playing with a bunch of 1st and 2nd year players

Yea, so I agree that whoever is feeding him info is at fault - I might even assume that maybe his source is feeding him inaccurate info intentionally to avoid being outed/reprimanded As for the belichick Brady trade... I know Tom House - who worked with Brady - claimed similar things about...

As with the previous Wickersham stuff... It's not 100% true, but it's definitely not 100% false. He was still right about general idea (tension between Brady and Bill, etc.). It was the details were off (the timing of the trade proposals, etc.) So for some of this stuff, I'm gonna assume the...

Belichick in Cleveland was not too different from how he operated from what I've researched

Falcons or Eagles Chargers seem to want Harbaugh