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2026 Draft: EDGE

4.62 40, 1.63 10-split. Not slow.

Agree he is not as twitchy as Mesidor and Lawrence, but neither are Maxx Crosby or Aiden Hutchison. There are lots of ways to win. And his 6.90 3C is elite, and highly predictive of success.
 
Top 15 NFL sackers at EDGE and 10 yard splits:

Myles Garrett - 272lbs - 1.63s
Danielle Hunter - 252lb - 1.57s
Nik Bonito - 248lbs - 1.53
Will Anderson - 253lbs - 1.61
Aidan Hutchinson - 260 - 1.62
Brian Burns - 249 - 1.57
Tui Tuipulotu - No 10 yd recorded
Micah Parsons - 246 - 1.59
Byron Young - 250 - 1.62
K'Lavon Chaisson - No 10 yard split
Chase Young - No 10 yard split
Josh Sweat - 2.51 - 1.55
Montez Sweat - 260 - 1.50
Al-Quadin Muhammad - 253 - 1.65
James Pearce Jr - 245 - 1.55

This is why I focus in on the 10 yard split. Every single one of the best pass rushers from last year had a split of 1.63 or better save one. It is not the only factor in predicting success, there have been many bad pass rushers with good 10 yard splits, but as this shows, not many good ones with bad 10 splits.
 
Sorry, DDS' 1.63 is the same as for Myles Garrett, 0.01 less than Aiden Hutchinson (and Maxx Crosby), 0.02 less than Will Anderson. And meets your threshold.

And your point is?
 
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Crosby ran a 4.66 40, Hutchinson a 4.78, Anderson a 4.60.

But Crosby had a 6.89 3C, Hutchinson a ridiculous 6.73.

4.62 speed at 260# with a 1.63 10-split and 6.90 3C is ridiculous, and correlates highly with success in the NFL. DDS is the only guy this year with that combo.
 
mayoclinic said:
Sorry, DDS' 1.63 is the same as for Myles Garrett, 0.01 less than Aiden Hutchinson (and Maxx Crosby), 0.02 less than Will Anderson. And meets your threshold.

And your point is?
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My point is, and I was quite clear in my post I believe, is that the 10 yard split is a important element in predicting success as a pass rusher. The post had nothing to do with DDS. But in answer to your point on DDS v Garrett.

DDS - 256lbs
Garrett - 272lbs.

If I was to have a threshold, 1.63 would be about right. DDS is on the lower end of that threshold.
 
mayoclinic said:
4.62 40, 1.63 10-split. Not slow.

Agree he is not as twitchy as Mesidor and Lawrence, but neither are Maxx Crosby or Aiden Hutchison. There are lots of ways to win. And his 6.90 3C is elite, and highly predictive of success.
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The Seahawks guys talk about Collier who was a bust I guess. Collier was slow and busted so now they are scared of a slow EDGE guy. The anti-hype will probably make DDS drop. I think it looks like N'Keal to the Pats fans who don't want any WR that reminds them of N'Keal.
 
One-If-By-Sea said:
The Seahawks guys talk about Collier who was a bust I guess. Collier was slow and busted so now they are scared of a slow EDGE guy. The anti-hype will probably make DDS drop. I think it looks like N'Keal to the Pats fans who don't want any WR that reminds them of N'Keal.
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This is where I trust the tape more.
I'm a PSU fan, so have watched them a lot.
Now admittedly I watched less of them last year after they lost back to back games and Allar got hurt. Went from a top 5 ranked team to ****......really quickly and I was too disappointed to watch.
From my experience, and the tape I've watched this draft season, DDS is not slow.
In fact his speed and change of direction stands out on many highlights.
 
DoubleDeluxe said:
From my experience, and the tape I've watched this draft season, DDS is not slow.
In fact his speed and change of direction stands out on many highlights.
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From the Seahawks article:

Let’s look at max-speed data from GPS tracking for the 2025 college football season. This is how fast players were on the field during games.

Here’s the max speed recorded over 0-10 yards for some of the pass rushers in this draft:

Malachi Lawrence — 16.1
Cashius Howell — 16.0
Gabe Jacas — 15.6
Romello Height — 15.5
Joshua Josephs — 15.2
TJ Parker — 15.2
Zion Young — 15.1
Dani Dennis-Sutton — 14.8

As @mayoclinic notes, DDS' 3cone is elite. So the data says that DDS' change of direction (quickness) is elite but his acceleration is low (slow max speed by GPS tracking is due to slow acceleration). Not sure what to make of that, I am only reporting the data I see. Jacas might be preferred, but I doubt Jacas is available at 63.
 
One-If-By-Sea said:
From the Seahawks article:

Let’s look at max-speed data from GPS tracking for the 2025 college football season. This is how fast players were on the field during games.

Here’s the max speed recorded over 0-10 yards for some of the pass rushers in this draft:

Malachi Lawrence — 16.1
Cashius Howell — 16.0
Gabe Jacas — 15.6
Romello Height — 15.5
Joshua Josephs — 15.2
TJ Parker — 15.2
Zion Young — 15.1
Dani Dennis-Sutton — 14.8

As @mayoclinic notes, DDS' 3cone is elite. So the data says that DDS' change of direction (quickness) is elite but his acceleration is low (slow max speed by GPS tracking is due to slow acceleration). Not sure what to make of that, I am only reporting the data I see. Jacas might be preferred, but I doubt Jacas is available at 63.
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Check out the highlight package of DDS I posted on page 50.
That package displays many examples of acceleration, but in particular look at the highlights at the 1:00 and 2:57 marks. He seems to accelerate quite well.
 
One-If-By-Sea said:
From the Seahawks article:

Let’s look at max-speed data from GPS tracking for the 2025 college football season. This is how fast players were on the field during games.

Here’s the max speed recorded over 0-10 yards for some of the pass rushers in this draft:

Malachi Lawrence — 16.1
Cashius Howell — 16.0
Gabe Jacas — 15.6
Romello Height — 15.5
Joshua Josephs — 15.2
TJ Parker — 15.2
Zion Young — 15.1
Dani Dennis-Sutton — 14.8

As @mayoclinic notes, DDS' 3cone is elite. So the data says that DDS' change of direction (quickness) is elite but his acceleration is low (slow max speed by GPS tracking is due to slow acceleration). Not sure what to make of that, I am only reporting the data I see. Jacas might be preferred, but I doubt Jacas is available at 63.
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Also note that we have no testing data for Jacas, other than his reported top speed. And none for Mesidor. We are making judgments on some players, but giving others free pass. You would have to assume that if those guys had good metrics, they would have chosen to test.
 
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mayoclinic said:
Also note that we have no testing data for Jacas, other than his reported top speed. And none for Mesidor. We are making judgments on some players, but giving others free pass. You would have to assume that if those guys had good metrics, they would have chosen to test.
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Jacas is injured.
 
manxman2601 said:
My point is, and I was quite clear in my post I believe, is that the 10 yard split is a important element in predicting success as a pass rusher. The post had nothing to do with DDS. But in answer to your point on DDS v Garrett.

DDS - 256lbs
Garrett - 272lbs.

If I was to have a threshold, 1.63 would be about right. DDS is on the lower end of that threshold.
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And Will Anderson was 2/100 better on a 10-split than DDS, while being 20# lighter.

You are taking 1 metric, and making it a cutoff for EDGE rushers. It's not that simple. There are lots of ways to be successful. Power, hand usage, ankle/hip flexibility, pass rush repertoire.

Here's some more for your list:

JJ Watt: 1.71, 290#. 114.5 career sacks
Chandler Jones: 1.69, 266#. 112 career sacks
Joey Bosa: 1.68, 262#. 77 career sacks
Jared Allen: 1.64, 265#. 136 career sacks
Khalil Mack: 1.64, 251#. 113 career sacks

A good 10-split is one positive factor, but there are no absolutes.
 
mayoclinic said:
A good 10-split is one positive factor, but there are no absolutes.
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There are so many variables it is tough to judge. That is why every team misses. That is why I find it tough to pick one guy over another.

I think Z Wheatley looks the part and then he ran a 4.62 40. Payne ran a 4.40 40, and I think speed is important for a FS, so I am on Payne now. It could switch 20 times before the draft -LOL.

I am kind of done with highly athletic small school guys. I like the guys that have produced against the best competition. The NFL is even faster than the best college conference, but there is less of a difference than a small school.
 
I'm fine taking a few shots, especially day 3. Upside with goid measurables and the right drive can sometimes produce wonders, though you may need to be patient. But tape is generally king.

The flip side is that we've seen many over-hyped, unathletic guys from power 4 schools.

I think a balanced approach is generally sound. I've outlined my 6-point approach elsewhere.
 
manxman2601 said:
Gabe Jacas wins equally as a speed rusher and a power rusher. He's more balanced than DDS and Lawrence.
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But my gut tells me all will end up being starters for their respective teams.. How successful they are as starters is another story.
 
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