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Can we now start to think the whole “Kraft is cheap” was more of a Belichick philosophy?

I feel like Belichick just managed it very "cash to cap". He didn't kick the can or use void years or any of the other cap math lots of other teams do. So his cash spending was only low because other teams, especially now, are borrowing money from half a decade out to improve today.

So far, Pats haven't been using those tricks since he left either. No void years or excessive bonus structures. Cash spending just seems to be up because the roster was BARREN when they took over so they had to sign lots of outside guys which naturally means signing bonus in year 1. That will "correct itself" once the roster starts being more stable. All indications I see are that they will continue to be relatively cash to cap and aren't going to engage in the sort of "go for it now" windows that other teams do.
Well, said. The Pats managed their budget and roster for the long term and never mortgaged the future until the end of Brady's tenure. The team squandered a good amount of resources trying to patch a roster that needed a refresh. I like that the new FO is taking the same approach. Hopefully with more empathy for the players feelings this time.
 
The way I see it, Sullivan was cheap in a selfish, narrow minded, self destructive controlling loser way, epitomized by putting his son Chuck in charge.

Kraft is cheap in a conservative, protective, cautionary fashion, which is understandable given he lived through the Sullivan years. Bob picks his spots, like the Bledsoe and Hernandez contracts, which both quickly blew up in reality, and the scoreboard, which hopefully won't blow up.

I do think it's significant that Brady always took less pay than he deserved, and when he requested a little something closer to his value at the end he got rejected.
Kraft says spend to the cap, but require it be done with a smaller cash expenditure.
We sign Byard for 1 year 11 million, teams able to spend freely use that 11 mill of cap space to sign a 5 year 90 million deal.
It is less risky but it limits the talent and the young talent you can get.
 
Well, said. The Pats managed their budget and roster for the long term and never mortgaged the future until the end of Brady's tenure. The team squandered a good amount of resources trying to patch a roster that needed a refresh. I like that the new FO is taking the same approach. Hopefully with more empathy for the players feelings this time.
I’m not so sure about that last part. During the season they seem to care about their feelings, but I’m not sure Chaisson or Hawkins feels like the Pats let them go nicely during free agency.
 
I’m not so sure about that last part. During the season they seem to care about their feelings, but I’m not sure Chaisson or Hawkins feels like the Pats let them go nicely during free agency.
Managing expectations is hard. Chaisson seemed ok with the opportunity to re-establish himself, I am not sure about Hawkins. In any event, they can't be worse than the BB regime, LOL.
 
What you're saying at the end there ain't true, unless you're just referring to prolific passing stats.
Agree. After the 2004 season, Brady was already put in the HOF by media and in the GOAT conversation with Joe Montana winning 3 Super Bowls in his first 4 seasons. Peyton Manning was the media's darling, but he was taking a lot of heat because he kept losing to NE. Posters seem to have revisionist history about Brady to push their narrative the defense carried him through 2006. Brady took his game to another level in 2004.
Would any other active quarterback in 2001 have been able to lead that Patriots team to the title? No.
They aren't even reaching the playoffs. More on that below.
Good post, but the 2-4 thing is misleading.
The Jets and Dolphins wins were massive, and the Falcons, Saints, Browns and Colts all had losing seasons BECAUSE we beat them.
The Falcons and Browns weren't good teams. The Saints and Colts had down year, but the Colts went 6-10. The Pats benefited greatly from that. Had the Colts and Saints been like there were in 2000, that may have been enough to knock NE out of the playoffs.

Posters don't want to remember how bad Bledsoe was as the starter averaging 16.4 points per game starting in 2000 though week 2 against the Jets. He flat out didn't fit what personnel they had surrounding him. Glenn wasn't playing in 2001, they were going into their 2nd season without Coates, 1st season with Bruce Armstrong gone and the loss of Curtis Martin had been affecting him going on 4 years now. The defense wasn't good enough to carry such of an anemic offense. Bledsoe isn't coming back from 13-0 at the Jets or 26-16 in the 4th against the Chargers. That's two game alone which would've knocked them out of the playoffs completely with a loss.
 
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Last year, he spend $14 million where UNC budgeted $20 million. Not sure about this year.
He got to UNC on 12/11/24 and the Portal had opened on 12/9/24 and closed on 12/28/25.

Too early to say what UNC spent this year as it's 3rd party $.

2025 Season Portal for the following season opened on 1/5/26 and closed on 1/19/26 - Early results:

 
A cheap owner wouldn't have eaten Mayo's contract after one year.

Mayo was bad, but a good argument could have been made to keep him another year.

It's clear Kraft really wants to win.
I agree that the Krafts want to win.

Mark Davis at the Raiders is paying 4 head coaches right now. Paying Mayo $3.5M for a couple of years after being fired is part of the business model. Watching the team tank under Mayo for another year or two would have cost the franchise a lot more than $3.5M per year. Firing Mayo saved money, I don't think a good financial argument could have been made to keep Mayo another year. An organisation valued at $9B only has to decrease in value 0.04% to lose more than Mayo's salary - there is no business argument to keep Mayo in order to save money. Mayo's salary is nearly a rounding error for a $9B business.
 
I agree that the Krafts want to win.

Mark Davis at the Raiders is paying 4 head coaches right now. Paying Mayo $3.5M for a couple of years after being fired is part of the business model. Watching the team tank under Mayo for another year or two would have cost the franchise a lot more than $3.5M per year. Firing Mayo saved money, I don't think a good financial argument could have been made to keep Mayo another year. An organisation valued at $9B only has to decrease in value 0.04% to lose more than Mayo's salary - there is no business argument to keep Mayo in order to save money. Mayo's salary is nearly a rounding error for a $9B business.
An argument could be made with the NE Patriots' Forbes Valuation going from #3 (2024) to #4 (2025) being directly related to the hiring of Mayo as HC











(or many unrelated causes)
 
I agree that the Krafts want to win.

Mark Davis at the Raiders is paying 4 head coaches right now. Paying Mayo $3.5M for a couple of years after being fired is part of the business model. Watching the team tank under Mayo for another year or two would have cost the franchise a lot more than $3.5M per year. Firing Mayo saved money, I don't think a good financial argument could have been made to keep Mayo another year. An organisation valued at $9B only has to decrease in value 0.04% to lose more than Mayo's salary - there is no business argument to keep Mayo in order to save money. Mayo's salary is nearly a rounding error for a $9B business.
Kraft squandered fan goodwill when he was looking for sympathy for having to spend so much money on fired coaches. The cost of another year where players, especially Maye's, development was stunted by ineffective coaching would have cost the franchise much more than having to pay off Mayo and his staff. Thankfully Kraft made the right call.
 
They will be no more successful at stopping any one of roughly 2000 active NFLPA players from releasing their copies than they were this year and trying to find and punish the leakers would just be more Captain Queeg type BS to draw further attention to the results. One would like to think Big Shield is smart enough to avoid getting hit repeatedly with the same tire tool but if past evidence is taken into account the drubbings will continue until morale improves

 
A cheap owner wouldn't have eaten Mayo's contract after one year.

Mayo was bad, but a good argument could have been made to keep him another year.

It's clear Kraft really wants to win.
What good argument could have been made to keep him? There wasn’t a good one to be made to hire him before he proved himself a bumbling incompetent.
The cost of a HC is a drop in the bucket. We were about 10 times greater ok being under the cap last year than what he paid Mayo.
 
Agree. After the 2004 season, Brady was already put in the HOF by media and in the GOAT conversation with Joe Montana winning 3 Super Bowls in his first 4 seasons. Peyton Manning was the media's darling, but he was taking a lot of heat because he kept losing to NE. Posters seem to have revisionist history about Brady to push their narrative the defense carried him through 2006. Brady took his game to another level in 2004.

They aren't even reaching the playoffs. More on that below.


The Falcons and Browns weren't good teams. The Saints and Colts had down year, but the Colts went 6-10. The Pats benefited greatly from that. Had the Colts and Saints been like there were in 2000, that may have been enough to knock NE out of the playoffs.

Posters don't want to remember how bad Bledsoe was as the starter averaging 16.4 points per game starting in 2000 though week 2 against the Jets. He flat out didn't fit what personnel they had surrounding him. Glenn wasn't playing in 2001, they were going into their 2nd season without Coates, 1st season with Bruce Armstrong gone and the loss of Curtis Martin had been affecting him going on 4 years now. The defense wasn't good enough to carry such of an anemic offense. Bledsoe isn't coming back from 13-0 at the Jets or 26-16 in the 4th against the Chargers. That's two game alone which would've knocked them out of the playoffs completely with a loss.
The Falcons, Saints, Browns and Colts all would have finished .500 had they not lost to the Patriots.
 
What good argument could have been made to keep him? There wasn’t a good one to be made to hire him before he proved himself a bumbling incompetent.
The cost of a HC is a drop in the bucket. We were about 10 times greater ok being under the cap last year than what he paid Mayo.
Teams keep awful head coaches all the time especially after one year. Look at the Jets with Aaron Glenn. Many of those teams do it because they don't want to pay two head coaches.

Most people didn't think the Krafts would fire Mayo after one year until reports started to come out that it was on the table.
 
Teams keep awful head coaches all the time especially after one year. Look at the Jets with Aaron Glenn. Many of those teams do it because they don't want to pay two head coaches.

Most people didn't think the Krafts would fire Mayo after one year until reports started to come out that it was on the table.
Wait. You are telling me that “some teams keep bad coaches” is a good argument to keep him? Do you honestly think that’s what the poster meant?

Aaron Glenn was far more qualified to be hired as a HC than Jerod Mayo.
 
The Falcons, Saints, Browns and Colts all would have finished .500 had they not lost to the Patriots.
Yes on the others, but the Colts went 6-10. That was shocking.
 
In fairness, I don’t think the Pats spent during the Mayo year because he was directionless. He couldn’t tell Wolf what the type of players he wanted. I think they were probably hesitant to pay for free agents when they found out a year later that they acquired the wrong players for the system Mayo was building.
Meeting between Kraft, Mayo, and Wolf right before FA kicked in probably went something like this…

Kraft- So Jerod, FA starts next week, do you have an idea of what players you want to bring into this system you’re building?

Mayo- I like spam.

Kraft- Ohhh good idea for sandwiches!

Wolf- /FACEPALM

Directionless is the perfect word to summarize Mayo “plan”.
 
Teams keep awful head coaches all the time especially after one year. Look at the Jets with Aaron Glenn. Many of those teams do it because they don't want to pay two head coaches.

Most people didn't think the Krafts would fire Mayo after one year until reports started to come out that it was on the table.
He's not perfect, but I don't think Kraft deserves quite as much heat as he gets from guys like Parcells and Belichick. Parcells obviously can't be expected to get over being overruled with no notice on the draft; Belichick acts (probably correctly) like Bob should have just given Brady the guaranteed years ("I know you can't bring yourself to treat Tom like the exception that he is so I'll do it for you").
 
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