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2026 Draft: EDGE

DaBruinz said:
I don't think there is a chance in hell that Dennis-Sutton falls to the 4th round.. Also don't believe that Mason Thomas falls to the 3rd either.
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There's a difference between the round grade and where someone is taken. A round grade is based upon a 'normal draft'. In a weaker draft, players will be taken ahead of their grade.
 
manxman2601 said:
There's a difference between the round grade and where someone is taken. A round grade is based upon a 'normal draft'. In a weaker draft, players will be taken ahead of their grade.
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Come on, Manx. I know the difference between a round grade and where someone is taken. I've never heard of "round grades" being based on any "Norm" in the 25+ years of following the Draft. They've always been based on the talent available in a particular draft.

A 3rd round talent one year may be a 2nd or 4th round talent the next because of the change in the amount of talent available.
 
DaBruinz said:
Come on, Manx. I know the difference between a round grade and where someone is taken. I've never heard of "round grades" being based on any "Norm" in the 25+ years of following the Draft. They've always been based on the talent available in a particular draft.

A 3rd round talent one year may be a 2nd or 4th round talent the next because of the change in the amount of talent available.
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I beg to differ. I've heard plenty of people, including James Foster, describe round grades in exactly that way.
 
Cashius Howell had 41 pressures and 12 sacks last season but I've noticed something.

31 of those pressures and 8 of those sacks came in his first eight games. That leaves only 10 pressures and 4 sacks in the more important part of the season. Was he injured? Scheme change? Or did OTs work him out? The latter is what scares me with him because I don't think he has the variety of rushes needed to combat that. In his playoff game against Miami, only 1 pressure and zero sacks.
 
James Foster does a brilliant thing on his website (link) where he tracks how an edge rusher wins. The best way to explain it is to show it with Rueben Bain's card.




There a couple of interesting things to see.

1. Across the bottom, you can see how a pass rusher wins, either by power, speed or an inside move.

2. On the left, you can see which individual moves a pass rusher uses to win and how many wins he gets by using this move.

There are two caveats. firstly, this comes from James Foster's own tracking (and thanks be to him for this data) and secondly, it doesn't say how many games have been tracked.

I've collated some of the information into a spreadsheet which I'll share in the next post for your perusal, but go look at the individual cards on James' website. It's a great resource.
 
Here's an image of the spreadsheet I made so you can look at the data yourself.

Just a word on the number of moves section.

1. No of Moves - The total number of individual pass rush moves an edge rusher has had at least one win with.

2. No of Moves 3+ - Used to filter out pass rush moves a ass rusher rarely wins with.

3. No of moves 5+ - Used to identify the most common moves a pass rusher wins with.

So using the Rueben Bain Card above.

1. He uses 13 different pass rush moves.

2. However he only had 1 win each with two of them so they get taken out.

3. He had 10 different moves where he got more than 5 wins.

The spreadsheet. Feel free to ask me anything.

 
I'm not going to lie, Mesidor's card is a little concerning.



1. Only Cashius Howell and Romello Height win with power less than him.

2. He is very reliant on two moves.

3. He fits more squarely into the speed rusher/inside move mould than as a balanced rusher.

4. Having said that, he is a speed rusher that can set the edge much more than Height and Howell can which works in his favour.

5. Not quite a red flag and he's still my guy, but it's worth noting.
 
mayoclinic said:
I remember one reviewer - I forget who - saying Mesidor lacked power. I discounted it.
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Cory Kinnen and James Foster have been talking about it a lot. I discounted it too, but maybe they're right.

I'm not out on him, as I said a speed rusher who can set the edge is a very useful thing to have, particularly opposite someone like Dre'Mont Jones, but I would have liked to see more power and a more varied pass rush.
 
mayoclinic said:
DDS looking good.
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Jacas and Parker were the one's that stood out to me. Jacas has a nice 40-40-20 split and Parker has 7 types of rushes with 5 or more wins, only behind Bain and Bailey.

I think it's going to come down to 10 yard splits for me. If Jacas and Mesidor are 1.61 or better, they might be my guys. I like Lawrence but he's very reliant on the outside speed rush but i love his 10 yd.
 
I'll take DDS's 28-50-22 pass rush distribution (50% speed, 50% power or inside), 1.63 10-split, and more importantly 6.90 3C. Can win with speed or power, inside or out, with a variety of moves. Very flexible, very versatile.
 
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Very detailed scouting report on Akheem Mesidor by John Owning at PFF.

"Most impressively, Mesidor's best results as a pass-rusher came against his top competition. Over Miami's last seven games, which included their three games in the College Football Playoff, Mesidor recorded a 20%-plus pass-rush win rate in every game except one (against Pittsburgh). When Miami needed Mesidor most, he stepped up in a huge way, which bodes well for his ability to transition quickly to the NFL."

"This gives Mesidor the most well-rounded pass-rush repertoire in the class, as it includes swipes, arm-overs, clubs, cross-chops, and rips to effectively defeat offensive tackles and capture the edge. He also flashes an effective inside spin off the edge. "

Scouting Akheem Mesidor: With great talent comes great concerns

John Owning breaks down Akheem Mesidor's skill set to project him to the NFL.
www.pff.com
 
manxman2601 said:
Here's an image of the spreadsheet I made so you can look at the data yourself.

Just a word on the number of moves section.

1. No of Moves - The total number of individual pass rush moves an edge rusher has had at least one win with.

2. No of Moves 3+ - Used to filter out pass rush moves a ass rusher rarely wins with.

3. No of moves 5+ - Used to identify the most common moves a pass rusher wins with.

So using the Rueben Bain Card above.

1. He uses 13 different pass rush moves.

2. However he only had 1 win each with two of them so they get taken out.

3. He had 10 different moves where he got more than 5 wins.

The spreadsheet. Feel free to ask me anything.

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It would be nice to know which games they had these wins. For example did TJ Parker have 7 moves thought won multiple times against Furman and Troy. He had 3 sack against South Carolina so how much does that account for his wins. Maybe I am looking too much into details, but having just watched his cut up against LSU and I wasn't very impressed althought he did have some speed wins and a bull rush and a few zone drops that he looked pretty good.
 
dliverey44 said:
It would be nice to know which games they had these wins. For example did TJ Parker have 7 moves thought won multiple times against Furman and Troy. He had 3 sack against South Carolina so how much does that account for his wins. Maybe I am looking too much into details, but having just watched his cut up against LSU and I wasn't very impressed althought he did have some speed wins and a bull rush and a few zone drops that he looked pretty good.
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As I said in my post, that's one of the caveats unfortunately.
 
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