Sony Michel recovering from foot surgery

Bradybranch said:

You must have missed the 2018 post season

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Ahh yes the 2018 post season. 3 games is well worth a 1st round pick.

203Pat said:

Ahh yes the 2018 post season. 3 games is well worth a 1st round pick.

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A championship was worth a 1st round pick.

Sony is getting paid 1.3 million dollars in 2020... that's peanuts. All 5 Patriot RB's combined don't make what Todd Gurley makes.

Nick Caesario said when Sony was drafted that he understood complex pass blocking schemes, he could play right away. The team had just let Dion Lewis walk for a bunch of money. This doesn't matter much in fantasy football, but in terms of winning real world games it means a lot.

Draft picks are meant to be used. Most draft picks who excel here are usually gone after their rookie deal ends because someone is willing to pay them some insane contract. Bill usually leverages their final year to make sure he gets some compensation back. Chandler Jones anyone...

RB's are fragile, they don't last. Draft one, use them up, let them walk, get another...

Chubb vs Michele
Interesting subject.
Nick Chubb is a better draft prospect than Sony Michel
Cherry picking here and hindsight is 20:20, but why would you pick a back with fumbling and knee issues over the featured back?
Kiper said Michele would go before Chubb due to versatility (big red flag there).

I don't ****ing get it. Seems like BB goes out of his way to not draft "name" players. Trying to be cute or what?
Irrationally I blame his bad offensive draft picks on McDaniels.

If Michele was drafted in the 3rd round, we'd be thrilled with his production so far. The problem is he was selected in the first round.

The other thing that chaps my ass is players waiting until before training camp to get surgery done. WTF. Get that **** done after the season ends.

Public Service Announcement: BB knows how to draft and team build, 6 SB's in 20 consecutive winning seasons are a barometer of success.

Seeing an optometrist may be helpful to deal with the Pats Myopia, as all NFL teams have issues with draft picks.

Captain Cliche said:

Chubb vs Michele
Interesting subject.
Nick Chubb is a better draft prospect than Sony Michel
Cherry picking here and hindsight is 20:20, but why would you pick a back with fumbling and knee issues over the featured back?
Kiper said Michele would go before Chubb due to versatility (big red flag there).

I don't ****ing get it. Seems like BB goes out of his way to not draft "name" players. Trying to be cute or what?
Irrationally I blame his bad offensive draft picks on McDaniels.

If Michele was drafted in the 3rd round, we'd be thrilled with his production so far. The problem is he was selected in the first round.

The other thing that chaps my ass is players waiting until before training camp to get surgery done. WTF. Get that **** done after the season ends.

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The Pandemic hit at the end of the season. How do we know what Sony's original foot surgery schedule was?

I'd trade a first round pick for a Championship every time. Sony played a major role winning a Lombardi so, imo, the pick was worth it. Same as it was for Malcolm Mitchell.

I Know injuries are starting to mount but Sony is a tough kid who has played thru so far. And since when is 1,850 yards in 2 years, a 4.0 yac, and an awesome playoff run been a bad thing. I don't get the Sony hate.

signbabybrady said:

I Know injuries are starting to mount but Sony is a tough kid who has played thru so far. And since when is 1,850 yards in 2 years, a 4.0 yac, and an awesome playoff run been a bad thing. I don't get the Sony hate.

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Wozzy said:

A championship was worth a 1st round pick.

Sony is getting paid 1.3 million dollars in 2020... that's peanuts. All 5 Patriot RB's combined don't make what Todd Gurley makes.

Nick Caesario said when Sony was drafted that he understood complex pass blocking schemes, he could play right away. The team had just let Dion Lewis walk for a bunch of money. This doesn't matter much in fantasy football, but in terms of winning real world games it means a lot.

Draft picks are meant to be used. Most draft picks who excel here are usually gone after their rookie deal ends because someone is willing to pay them some insane contract. Bill usually leverages their final year to make sure he gets some compensation back. Chandler Jones anyone...

RB's are fragile, they don't last. Draft one, use them up, let them walk, get another...

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Lol yes we owe that ring to Sony. Because no other RB could do what he did with a great O-line, great blocking TE’s, and a great blocking FB. Just the unique talents of a plodding Sony Michel.

Sony was a terrible pick when you consider super talent MVP Lamar Jackson went the very next pick and Sony’s much better college teammate went a few picks after that. I still can’t believe we passed on Jackson twice in the first round.

Sony can’t catch, he’s a plodder, he has no fast twitch explosive ability, can’t out run anyone to the outside...not a first round talent

I never understood the Kamara comparison but I **sort** of see in the open field , they both do a good job with vision and finding angles to take to gain more yards. Kamara obv being a much better receiver and overall runner.

The Michel hate is derived from Chubbs success. Also the general thought that if youre taken in the first round you should be a game breaker or you're not worth it. Not fair to the player at all because there are so many variables involved. ...but its the way the cookie crumbles round here.

Also, as someone posted before ..it was about being pro ready which includes pass blocking schemes. They liked Michel better in that department and considering who was the QB that tipped the scales. Anyone who is claiming they 'knew' hed be like this pre draft is lieing. He was a lowend first round/high 2nd rd talent on tape and that's exactly where he was taken.

203Pat said:

Lol yes we owe that ring to Sony. Because no other RB could do what he did with a great O-line, great blocking TE’s, and a great blocking FB. Just the unique talents of a plodding Sony Michel.

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Sony was only great in 2018 due to blocking, but he was only "bad" in 2019 due to Sony... sounds legit.

The blocking was atrocious in 2019, and the lack of a passing threat made it worse. Rushing the ball doesn't happen in a vacuum.

- Beating that dead horse: the super bowl is not won without Sony
- Malcolm Mitchell: I’m sorry to see his career cut very short...like Sony he was very valuable to the super bowl win and was worth the injury outcome.
- There are different levels of how much a single player contributes to a championship season...arguments can be made for a select few or the entire roster. Example: players that rarely see the field can be valuable for scouting. Sony was very valuable to the super bowl win but like all other Super Bowl wins it’s a team effort.
- I think it’s possible that Sony had more knee issues than what he told team scouts...not like that would ever happen with anyone else lol .
- Having no TE’s and crappy WR’s would hurt any RB’s chances at success. Chubb may be a better RB but how much better would he be in our offense in 2019. I think not much.
- Bill has built 6 super bowl champions in New England. I don’t play the hindsight game.
- I don’t know the details but maybe Sony was hoping the ankle issue would subside after the 2019 season and be manageable in 2020. It’s possible Sony and the team doctors felt in May / June that wasn’t the case and surgery now was best.
- IMO Sony will have approx. 300 yards receiving (35ish receptions, he had 12 in 2019. 2 receptions a game is enough to keep defenses guessing...there was no guessing in 2019) and 700 yards rushing in 2020. Harris will get some yards.

Wozzy said:

Sony was only great in 2018 due to blocking, but he was only "bad" in 2019 due to Sony... sounds legit.

The blocking was atrocious in 2019, and the lack of a passing threat made it worse. Rushing the ball doesn't happen in a vacuum.

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The offensive line wasn’t great last year but a first round pick is supposed to be special. Blount and Ridley could run well with a great supporting cast. Blount and Ridley weren’t talented enough to overcome a subpar cast but they were JAGs who required little investment to acquire. Sony can do what they can do when the pieces are in place but can’t when they aren’t. That is why I put Sony in the same category as guys we drafted in the mid rounds or guys we traded peanuts for. He should be better than he is there’s no way around it. The lore of his 2018 postseason grows with every crappy performance since. He isn’t a special back and he was a waste of a pick.

Captain Cliche said:

Chubb vs Michele
Interesting subject.
Nick Chubb is a better draft prospect than Sony Michel
Cherry picking here and hindsight is 20:20, but why would you pick a back with fumbling and knee issues over the featured back?
Kiper said Michele would go before Chubb due to versatility (big red flag there).

I don't ****ing get it. Seems like BB goes out of his way to not draft "name" players. Trying to be cute or what?
Irrationally I blame his bad offensive draft picks on McDaniels.

If Michele was drafted in the 3rd round, we'd be thrilled with his production so far. The problem is he was selected in the first round.

The other thing that chaps my ass is players waiting until before training camp to get surgery done. WTF. Get that **** done after the season ends.

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I saw some analysts rating Chubb higher than Michel as well.

It was Barkley, then the argument between Guice, Michel and Chubb.

I get why NE wanted Michel due to his potential dual threat ability in college. While Blount was very good, he’d struggle in big playoff games because of how obvious it was when he was on the field. Unfortunately, Michel has become that guy that it’s obvious he’s only going to run the ball.

McDaniels has said recently he’s going to make a better effort including Michel in the passing game.

We drafted Sony over Lamar LOL. Lamar single handily brought the ravens back from the dead. Sony can’t outrun 320lb tackles around the edge

203Pat said:

The offensive line wasn’t great last year but a first round pick is supposed to be special. Blount and Ridley could run well with a great supporting cast. Blount and Ridley weren’t talented enough to overcome a subpar cast but they were JAGs who required little investment to acquire. Sony can do what they can do when the pieces are in place but can’t when they aren’t. That is why I put Sony in the same category as guys we drafted in the mid rounds or guys we traded peanuts for. He should be better than he is there’s no way around it. The lore of his 2018 postseason grows with every crappy performance since. He isn’t a special back and he was a waste of a pick.

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When Sony was drafted I wasn't high on the pick, and not because I didn't think he was talented. It was because years of watching BB draft told me you don't take a RB high in the draft, and also there were reports of preexisting knee issues. To this point Sony hasn't exactly missed a lot of games and he's played well.

Let's pretend Sony stayed healthy, his blocking was good and he continued his torrid 2018 pace his entire four year rookie contract. Unless he's willing to sign team friendly deal on short years, which is highly unlikely in that scenario, he is out the door anyway. The Patriots needed someone at RB who could play immediately and understood the pro game in ways most rookies don't. The Patriots aren't signing a RB to a massive contract, no way, no how.

I don't get fans obsession with draft picks. Teams like the Bengals "win the draft" every year and every year they are right back at the top of the 1st round with the rest of the doormats.

Sony will give them 4 years, then he'll be gone and it will be next man up. Damien Harris will give them 4 years, then he'll be gone and it will be next man up.

RB's are expendable, they can be found everywhere. They signed Burkhead to a one year deal back in 2017 and he's been fine outside of some injuries. RB's are a high impact injury prone position, better to sift through the value free agency pile and draft one every few years then pay a superstar.

NG Pats Fan said:

We drafted Sony over Lamar LOL. Lamar single handily brought the ravens back from the dead. Sony can’t outrun 320lb tackles around the edge

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30 other teams passed on him too. Including 4 in the top 10 who took other QBs. At the time I’m guessing BB wanted to improve the team in other areas and grabbing a qb to back up Tom for a few years wasn’t high on his priority list.

I’m not talking career wise for but just for the 2018 season Sony was going to help that team more than LJ.

NG Pats Fan said:

We drafted Sony over Lamar LOL. Lamar single handily brought the ravens back from the dead. Sony can’t outrun 320lb tackles around the edge

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Lamar is 0-2 in the playoffs, the Patriots passed on him twice for a reason.

Other RBs can generate rusb yards making the first tackler miss. Sony can't do that. Sony goes down at the first hint of contact.

No moves and no power.

Scary part is that Harris could be worse than Sony. I have little faith in any RB or WR that BB drafts. The Georgia Bulldogs have been screwing the Patriots. Seymour was a Stud. Watson, Mitchell, Pass and now Sony are just OK

Triumph said:

Other RBs can generate rusb yards making the first tackler miss. Sony can't do that. Sony goes down at the first hint of contact.

No moves and no power.

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Yeah his style reminds me of BJGE: runs in a straight line, won’t give you anything spectacular but won’t won’t mess up.

He improved upon this late last season, but he’s an easy tackle for defenders in the open field because he won’t switch the ball into the other arm to try to fight off the defender.