Bengals release QB Andy Dalton

primetime · Apr 30, 2020

n6249c said:
Question for you, Mr Primetime, is who would be the starter chosen in a head to head QB competition between Hoyer and Dalton?

My bet would be on Dalton, albeit not by any great margin but my overall impression is that he’d be the stronger performer by a bit.

I’d also be bringing him in partly to see how Stidham responds. If he is going to be our QBotF he’ll respond to the challenge and rise to the occasion. If his ego is so fragile that it affects his confidence he’s too much of a snowflake to be a winning NFL starter. But if he wins the starting job over Dalton it would be more of a boost than winning it, or having it handed to him, over Hoyer. Hoyer is a known quantity, he’s been in the Pats’ locker room as a backup. Dalton comes in with more extensive experience and better credentials as an NFL starter and playoff QB than Hoyer.

Dalton's definitely been the better player over the course of his career. I don't think he's appreciably worse than, say, Eli Manning was during his Super Bowl years, but do I think the Patriots roster is set-up to win a Super Bowl right now absent an extraordinarily lucky or good QB year? Probably not.

That said, I think it's more likely than not that Stidham turns out to be a worse QB than Andy Dalton. I just worry about guys like Dalton because I feel like they're safe and just good enough that you never feel totally comfortable moving away from them, but not good enough to carry a team, so you end up in the Joe Flacco rut.

jah · Apr 30, 2020

Hyped said:
So, our week 1 quarterback will be:

a.) Jarrett Stidham - Would still need to beat out Hoyer and possibly Dalton.

b.) Brian Hoyer - Would still need to beat out Stidham and possibly Dalton.

c.) Andy Dalton - Was earning 17M vs. the Bengals cap. I think the Pats could maybe do something like 15M if we want him to win the job. If we want him to compete here, he will have to take less, IMO.

d.) Cam Newton - We would only bring him in to start, IMO. And he would cost at least 18M a year, IMO.

My odds: 65% Stidham, 20% Hoyer, 10% Newton, and 5% Dalton.

I don't think Dalton or Newton are getting anywhere close to that much money on their next deals.

Triumph · Apr 30, 2020

Dalton will want to play.

Doubtful he signs in NE.

Hyped · Apr 30, 2020

Elijah said:
I don't think Dalton or Newton are getting anywhere close to that much money on their next deals.

They are NFL starting quarterbacks. I think Cam is getting that kind of money or he is staying home. I don't think Cam is gonna be a back up like Winston...he is a former league MVP..... As for Dalton, I could see him being a back up...he was backing up in Cincinnati last year...but I think people will be paying him more than Winston/Hoyer money. Right now, if you are a starting QB in this league...you make 15M a year minimum.

primetime · Apr 30, 2020

Hyped said:
They are NFL starting quarterbacks. I think Cam is getting that kind of money or he is staying home. I don't think Cam is gonna be a back up like Winston...he is a former league MVP..... As for Dalton, I could see him being a back up...he was backing up in Cincinnati last year...but I think people will be paying him more than Winston/Hoyer money. Right now, if you are a starting QB in this league...you make 15M a year minimum.

Winston supposedly had offers on the table from other teams and took short money on a one year contract with the Saints because Brees is done after this year and it sets him up for a big extension if they want to go with someone who has a year in the system. He's essentially taken on a role as a developmental rookie QB for a year with one of the league's better offensive teams with the promise of a potential big payday next season, especially since they will very likely have a low draft pick this year and will miss out on the best quarterback prospects.

Cam's older but it's not totally unreasonable to see him in a similar position, though the Patriots' situation is obviously very different since they're a year ahead of the Saints. (Last year would have been the year to bring in the 'developmental' veteran.)

jah · Apr 30, 2020

Hyped said:
They are NFL starting quarterbacks. I think Cam is getting that kind of money or he is staying home. I don't think Cam is gonna be a back up like Winston...he is a former league MVP..... As for Dalton, I could see him being a back up...he was backing up in Cincinnati last year...but I think people will be paying him more than Winston/Hoyer money. Right now, if you are a starting QB in this league...you make 15M a year minimum.

I dunno. The QB free agent market has been weird this year. Teams have largely used their spending money for the offseason too, and most QB needy teams have addressed the need already. I'm sure Cam gets much higher than the veteran minimum, but he might be forced to prove himself on a one year discount.

With Dalton, I could just as easily see him getting the minimum as much as I could see him getting $10M. Could be anywhere in that range.

Delicate Genius · Apr 30, 2020

TBR · Apr 30, 2020

All Dalton would do is screw up the Pats' draft position. No thanks.

patman52 · Apr 30, 2020

robertweathers said:
Ain't happening

In what world do they ever think that BB won't prepare to win? I could see him losing the last game for a better draft position if the team does not make the playoffs, but to tank a season- never.

borg · Apr 30, 2020

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primetime · Apr 30, 2020

Elijah said:
I dunno. The QB free agent market has been weird this year. Teams have largely used their spending money for the offseason too, and most QB needy teams have addressed the need already. I'm sure Cam gets much higher than the veteran minimum, but he might be forced to prove himself on a one year discount.

With Dalton, I could just as easily see him getting the minimum as much as I could see him getting $10M. Could be anywhere in that range.

Minimum seems unlikely. Tannehill last year or Mariota this year money ($10m range) seems reasonable. Same for Cam. Jaguars still have $20m in cap space so $10m really isn't that much for them to spend on a semi-starter guy like Dalton/Cam on a one year contract. Chargers have a little more cap space than the Jaguars if they wanted one of them. The Saints' leverage with Winston was them potentially offering the reins to him next year on a new, starting-level contract. He took less money to go there. Think the Patriots might be able to offer a similar incentive, since it's not entirely clear this team will be bad enough to Tank for Trevor or Fail for Fields and Stidham might be truly awful.

ctpatsfan77 · Apr 30, 2020

primetime · Apr 30, 2020

ctpatsfan77 said:

Maybe it's just the people I follow but I don't think you'll see a single serious analyst who's held the view that Brady's a system QB in the last decade and a half. The more common analysis is that Brady's star is fading but you can think the Patriots are in trouble even if Brady was fading because what they have instead is... a career mediocrity and a wholly unproven 4th rounder..

jah · Apr 30, 2020

primetime said:
Minimum seems unlikely. Tannehill last year or Mariota this year money ($10m range) seems reasonable. Same for Cam. Jaguars still have $20m in cap space so $10m really isn't that much for them to spend on a semi-starter guy like Dalton/Cam on a one year contract. Chargers have a little more cap space than the Jaguars if they wanted one of them. The Saints' leverage with Winston was them potentially offering the reins to him next year on a new, starting-level contract. He took less money to go there. Think the Patriots might be able to offer a similar incentive, since it's not entirely clear this team will be bad enough to Tank for Trevor or Fail for Fields and Stidham might be truly awful.

I could see Cam for $10M. I was just saying that $18M for him sounds too high.

Teej · Apr 30, 2020

mgteich said:
Yes, paying $15M for Thuney has never made sense. However, as has been the case from the beginning, if Thuney wants a long term contract form the patriots, he can have one (or he can wait for free agency to continue his $15M a year compensation).
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We COULD extend Thuney AND sign Dalton (or Cam) with the cap savings.

Best of both worlds there...if Dalton can be house trained like BB's dog Nike.

1960Pats · Apr 30, 2020

ChrisR2223 said:
I remember it was nauseating.
I just wanted to see if he could run wild cat or sub packages.
Because he seems like a great guy I wanted him to do well.

I didn't think Tebow or his few followers were the problem as much as fans complaining about them. One guy, ChristianCat, was like honey to a group of angry bees.

Not being a college fan I never got to see Tebow perform. From the little I did see Tebow could have been awesome if he moved positions, which is what I think BB wanted. He was like a bull.

What I didn't get was the level of dislike for the kid. He seems like a very decent person.

jah · Apr 30, 2020

1960Pats said:
I didn't think Tebow or his few followers were the problem as much as fans complaining about them. One guy, ChristianCat, was like honey to a group of angry bees.

Not being a college fan I never got to see Tebow perform. From the little I did see Tebow could have been awesome if he moved positions, which is what I think BB wanted. He was like a bull.

What I didn't get was the level of dislike for the kid. He seems like a very decent person.

I probably complained a lot about Tebow that preseason, but it was never about him as a person. It was that he was a waste of QB reps (which I maintain).

Also, I'm pretty sure ChristianCat was not the victim you're making her (think there was a gender reveal at some point); she was constantly starting **** around here and I'm sure was rightfully dismissed as a non-Patriots fan troll by many.

1960Pats · Apr 30, 2020

Deus Irae said:
Anytime you can take Andy Dalton over Tom Brady, you have to make that move.

I laughed so hard that I cried... and cried... and cried.

Ring 6 · Apr 30, 2020

mgteich said:
Yup, this is the view of many pats fans, and is the view of the patriots NEVER.

I don’t get how anyone would ever want their favorite team to stink

VrabelJr · Apr 30, 2020

Sign the fiery beast. I still think we have a championship window with our defense.

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