Coronavirus RESPECTFUL Discussion Only! (Mod edit: Closed)

Bernie approves......

Chinese Basketball Association reportedly told American players to return for end of season or face banishment

rochrist said:

Supposedly, the administration refused the test kits offered by WHO, they didn't want to be seen using kits made in Europe.

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Of course not, that would have been "embarrassing." No wonder the fat cretin just last week extolled the benefits of sick people still going to work. His exact words (March 5): "Thousands or hundreds of thousands of people” can “get better just by sitting around and even going to work. Some of ‘em go to work.”

50-yard-line said:

Are we really gonna play this game now? On this board?

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Stop being such a dog faced pony soldier

Joker said:

I'll be bunkered down with my cat if anyone needs me....

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Cat propaganda IMO.

TN patriot fan said:

Cat propaganda IMO.

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no propaganda...I got it from a source on high...

Social distancing isn’t hysteria, these are measures simply trying to prolong the transmission of the virus so the capacity of the healthcare system isn’t overwhelmed in a short period of time.

If you have to seriously hospitalize 10 million people, if you can quarantine effectively to spread that out over 6, 9 or 12 months, you are able to use the current capacity to its full extent for many treatment cycles. Put simply:



Here is a good rough over view with an infectious disease specialist.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=cZFhjMQrVts

Just to be awfully clear, this isn’t going away in a week, or a month. We are just seeing the tip of the tip of the iceberg, maybe a small fraction of a percent so far. Don’t be low on information, this is an event that we haven’t seen anything similar to in our lifetimes.

NYCPATS4LIFE said:

Biggest hysteria i have ever seen. Aren’t these guys healthy? If you’re healthy you stand a better chance of survival.

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He stands a good chance of survival but what about any of the people he may have infected that are elderly or immunocompromised? Those people are at severe risk.

The current death rate from covid is 3.4% and that number will likely grow, there are a whole bunch of elderly and people with high risk co-morbidities in the US.

Tunescribe said:

Of course not, that would have been "embarrassing." No wonder the fat cretin just last week extolled the benefits of sick people still going to work. His exact words (March 5): "Thousands or hundreds of thousands of people” can “get better just by sitting around and even going to work. Some of ‘em go to work.”

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LOL!! You call it his exact words but you changed his "that" to "can" which completely misrepresents the meaning of what he was saying. Thank you for proving your dishonesty and that there really are suckers born every minute. Here is the full quote:

"I think the 3.4 percent [number] is really a false number. Now, this is just my hunch, but based on and lot of conversations with a lot of people that do this, because a lot of people will have this and it is very mild. They will get better very rapidly, they don’t even see a doctor or call doctor, you never hear about those people so you can’t put them down in the category, in overall population in terms of this corona flu, or virus. So you just can’t do that.

So if, you know, we have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people that get better, just by, you know, sitting around and even going to work, some of them go to work, but they get better and then, when you do have a death like you had in the state of Washington, like you had one in California, I believe you had one in New York, you know, all of a sudden it seems like 3 or 4 percent, which is a very high number, as opposed to a fraction of 1 percent."

Nowhere does he even remotely suggest people with it can or should go to work. He is talking about the mortality rate. His whole point is there will be people who get it, don't show symptoms (or have mild symptoms), continue going to work, get better, and never get recorded as a survival case, thereby skewing the mortality rate.

Sorry to embarrass you with... well, with facts.

SaCaCh said:

It is about how infectious it is and when it can be spread (Before symptoms). The flu kills 1/1000 this about 20/1000. Rudy could have been spreading it for the last two weeks. Every player and their family needs a test and every employee and their families and the stadiums needs to be decontaminated. Its a cascading effect.

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Those numbers are not necessarily accurate as testing isn't wide in most countries (if you have it chances are very good your symptoms wouldn't warrant medical visit or intervention) as well as business, money and PR will shape information. As such what we can look at is the best testing case and information source, South Korea (these would be most applicable to the US and other "first" world locations). Credit South Korea, due to bouts with a serious outbreak prior, they have been better prepared for years and have been testing widely. South Korea's death rate from this strain of Covid is currently <8/1000. Age breakdown:
Under 30: 0%
30-39: .1%
40-49: .1%
50-59: .4%
60-69: 1.5%
70-79: 4.3%
80 & above: 7.2%

For apples to apples comparison, here is the best influenza numbers I could find from South Korea, Journal of Preventative Medicine:
2009 to 2016 (Korea Centers for Disease Control and Prevention):
Overall, 1 859 890 deaths (direct and indirect such as a secondary infection like pneumonia)
virus positive rate 14.7%
under 65, 6774 / 0.51%
over 65, 30414 / 2.27%

The above information isn't to make a judgment on anyone, it is to provide the information itself. Information that is likely a most applicable 'country to US' comparison.
With that said, what is needed other than hard, reliable information, is cautious prudence. Those in high vulnerability groups should definitely avoid unnecessary public trips. Everyone practicing best possible public hygiene. If thought to be exposed to it avoid public trips. This among other prudence. But what is also needed is as absolutely little panic as possible. Please check the death rates attributed to stress. Stress kills a lot of people. IMHO these potentially added deaths, and misery, are needlessly would be avoided if you largely go on with your lives just doing so with the knowledge that a viral variant exists, one that has some potentially unknown factors to it, and act with definite prudence until more facts are known.

Adam Seward said:

Just to be awfully clear, this isn’t going away in a week, or a month. We are just seeing the tip of the tip of the iceberg, maybe a small fraction of a percent so far. Don’t be low on information, this is an event that we haven’t seen anything similar to in our lifetimes.

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This will be the 1918 of our lifetime. And people you know and love, and people on this board, are going to die.

ESPN just announced Cornhuskers Head Coach Fred Hoiberg was released from the hospital and is not being quarantined. That's good news that he seemingly doesn't have the virus.

BUT....

They showed footage of him on the bench during tonight's game. He looked like death warmed over. WTF was he doing in the arena in the first f'ing place?!?!?

There is one positive in this shocking development. The lakers won't be able to tie the Celtics for most NBA titles. And the queen will be another year older. Always look on the bright side.

Flash said:

Rudy Gobert is a moron.

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not a good look that's for sure.

.1% mortality rate for my age group

I for one am looking forward to the massive amounts of property and upper level jobs that are going to open up here shortly

Renaissance #2 on the way

NBA, soon the NHL will follow, then MLB followed by the NFL. Makes sense. Unless something drastic changes with the virus.

Pray for a positive solution for this problem.

QuantumMechanic said:

This will be the 1918 of our lifetime. And people you know and love, and people on this board, are going to die.

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It’s sobering in real time and really not easy to entirely comprehend what the world will look like once we are past it.

The fact that our largest economic competitor can quarantine a portion of their population equal to double our population, and another top world economy can go into entire lockdown and the virus is still not taken seriously by some, is really something to marvel at.

Jangles said:

.1% mortality rate for my age group

I for one am looking forward to the massive amounts of property and upper level jobs that are going to open up here shortly

Renaissance #2 on the way

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Yes always find a positive. On the bright side, this is the first time in history millennials can afford a vacation. Flights to Hawaii are 100$ round trip from the mainland.

Tunescribe said:

Of course not, that would have been "embarrassing." No wonder the fat cretin just last week extolled the benefits of sick people still going to work. His exact words (March 5): "Thousands or hundreds of thousands of people” can “get better just by sitting around and even going to work. Some of ‘em go to work.”

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hes also the guy who banned travel from china in January and was called a racist by many in your radical communist party. if it wasn't for trump there would be a sh!t ton more cases in the country. just say thank you.

Adam Seward said:

Social distancing isn’t hysteria, these are measures simply trying to prolong the transmission of the virus so the capacity of the healthcare system isn’t overwhelmed in a short period of time.

If you have to seriously hospitalize 10 million people, if you can quarantine effectively to spread that out over 6, 9 or 12 months, you are able to use the current capacity to its full extent for many treatment cycles. Put simply:

Here is a good rough over view with an infectious disease specialist.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=cZFhjMQrVts

Just to be awfully clear, this isn’t going away in a week, or a month. We are just seeing the tip of the tip of the iceberg, maybe a small fraction of a percent so far. Don’t be low on information, this is an event that we haven’t seen anything similar to in our lifetimes.

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"this isn’t going away in a week, or a month. We are just seeing the tip of the tip of the iceberg, maybe a small fraction of a percent so far". Those are opinions, those are not! facts. As this is a new variant of Covid, it is true we don't know. So here's another opinion that is just as valid: Covid19 may act like influenza, with its transmission potency dropping significantly with warming temperatures associated with months outside of the winter season.

What we do know if the 19 variant is new to humans but other variants are not. Information on other Covid viruses suggest (though certainly not certain) that warming temperatures will significantly lessen the spread:
"The warmer it gets, the more difficult the conditions are for many viruses. "The coronavirus is surrounded by a lipid layer, in other words, a layer of fat," Pietschmann explains. This layer is not very heat-resistant, which means that the virus quickly breaks down when temperatures rise"
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"Coronaviruses are types of viruses that typically affect the respiratory tracts of birds and mammals, including humans. Doctors associate them with the common cold, bronchitis, pneumonia, and severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS), and they can also affect the gut.

These viruses are typically responsible for common colds more than serious diseases. However, coronaviruses are also behind some more severe outbreaks."