We are on to Dallas

Oswlek said:

Which is why you can feel safe in assuming Gordon was doing something the team was really bothered by. Or do you think this is all lost on Bill?

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Apparently lots of people here do think that.

Hopefully the defense can stop Elliot nothing makes me rage more than seeing the other team have 6-7 minute drives every time keeping Brady and the offense on the bench (sort of like the Ravens game )

Whatever the game plan is I just hope they give myers and harry a chance (assuming other wr's are out injured)........the team selected them no go and let them play even if it is a simplified offense for them. Sure players make mistakes but benching them is too conservative when we suck in other areas

Kid~Brady said:

Meyers ran the wrong route.

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So did AB.

denverpatsfan said:

Can Dorsett still clear protocol? Or is he out? I forgot the steps? Has to be a full participant on Friday?

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No, just has to be cleared by an independent neurologist.

PScottman said:

So did AB.

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Yeah, once. Everything else, he got right.

In his very first game.

Oswlek said:

Your post doesn't have anything to do with what I wrote. Did you mean to respond to someone else?

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No, you are implying Gordon did something wrong with zero proof. The more likely reason he was released was because they got Sanu shortly before it happened.

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TommyBrady12 said:

No, you are implying Gordon did something wrong with zero proof. The more likely reason he was released was because they got Sanu shortly before it happened.

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I'm not saying the two aren't related, but if that's the case the fact that they felt they needed to go out and get Sanu to replace Gordon indicates there's something there (be it health related, behavioral, or performance based). Since Gordon seemed to be mostly healthy very quickly after being IR'd, I have to believe there was something else going on. Still all conjecture though.

I'm watching ESPN's Get Up and they're previewing Cowboys/Pats game.

Mark Sanchez mentions that the Cowboys coaches need to prepare for the unexpected as something always happens at Gillette.
Communication goes out, they are late getting into lockerroom at halftime.

Greenberg says to Sanchez-"Are you accusing the Patriots of cheating?"

Sanchez- No, they're competitive.

TommyBrady12 said:

No, you are implying Gordon did something wrong with zero proof. The more likely reason he was released was because they got Sanu shortly before it happened.

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Zero proof? He was released wasn't he? And where do I imply that Sanu was not a factor?

We are both making assumptions about the sufficiency behind Gordon's release. I'm assuming that the guy who has a near peerless track record of evaluating his own players decided it was best to move on and had good reasons for doing so. Perhaps that decision partially motivated Sanu's acquisition.

You, on the other hand, are assuming the guy with the near peerless track record overlooked the most basic of considerations. Like he's slapping his head and crying, "how could I possibly have known Sanu or Edelman might get injured!?"

Neither of us know the full story, but it's pretty obvious what is the safe bet. Like you've said, it was trivially easy to keep Gordon around even after Sanu arrived. So why didn't they?

Sicilian said:

I'm not saying the two aren't related, but if that's the case the fact that they felt they needed to go out and get Sanu to replace Gordon indicates there's something there (be it health related, behavioral, or performance based). Since Gordon seemed to be mostly healthy very quickly after being IR'd, I have to believe there was something else going on. Still all conjecture though.

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Conjecture would be guessing the reasons for the release. It isn't conjecture at all to say something else was going on with Gordon that bothered the team. That's the only reasonable conclusion that can be reached.

Oswlek said:

Zero proof? He was released wasn't he? And where do I imply that Sanu was not a factor?

We are both making assumptions about the sufficiency behind Gordon's release. I'm assuming that the guy who has a near peerless track record of evaluating his own players decided it was best to move on and had good reasons for doing so. Perhaps that decision partially motivated Sanu's acquisition.

You, on the other hand, are assuming the guy with the near peerless track record overlooked the most basic of considerations. Like he's slapping his head and crying, "how could I possibly have known Sanu or Edelman might get injured!?"

Neither of us know the full story, but it's pretty obvious what is the safe bet. Like you've said, it was trivially easy to keep Gordon around even after Sanu arrived. So why didn't they?

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You said specifically that it was something that Gordon did that caused the release, and you provided no proof. My assumption is better than yours because the timing of Gordon't release and the Sanu trade were the same, and it is more probable than not that Gordon was only released to make room for Sanu. And why didn't they keep Gordon around? My point is it was a mistake. Belichick has made roster mistakes before. He's the best GM around but he makes mistakes sometimes. You on the other hand seem to think Gordon did something egregious and deserved to be released when you have no proof other than media reports.

Sicilian said:

I'm not saying the two aren't related, but if that's the case the fact that they felt they needed to go out and get Sanu to replace Gordon indicates there's something there (be it health related, behavioral, or performance based). Since Gordon seemed to be mostly healthy very quickly after being IR'd, I have to believe there was something else going on. Still all conjecture though.

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Maybe health related, but he seems to have caught on in Seattle so it couldn't have been that bad of an injury. We'll see how they use him from here on out.

TommyBrady12 said:

You said specifically that it was something that Gordon did that caused the release, and you provided no proof.

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Yes, and you provided no proof that it wasn't something Gordon did, which is why I outlined the assumptions we are both making. All we have are a few breadcrumbs which point toward the team wanting to move on despite how easy it would have been to retain him.

I suggest reading my earlier post again. And then again if you think you are still right. Repeat until you actually get the gist of what I am saying, because it's eluding you so far.

Oswlek said:

Yes, and you provided no proof that it wasn't something Gordon did, which is why I outlined the assumptions we are both making.

I suggest reading my earlier post again. And then again if you think you are still right. Repeat until you actually get the gist of what I am saying, because it's eluding you so far.

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Wrong, it's you with the reading problem. We both made assumptions. My assumption is more plausible than yours based on the timing of Gordon's release. You are assuming that Gordon did something wrong simply because Belichick released him. By your logic, why would Belichick take a chance on Antonio Brown, Dillon, Ocho Cinco, Adalius Thomas, etc? I mean wouldn't someone with a peerless track record know those guys are trouble and bad for the lockerroom? The answer is because Belichick is a risk taker in roster management. He always has been. He took a chance on drafting an injury prone Gronk and an injured Dominque Easley. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. He risked releasing Gordon because they have Edelman-Sanu-Dorsett-Harry. And I agree that's plenty of firepower. But the problem is guys are getting hurt now. It's life. You take risks and you move on.

I'm done with this conversation since it has nothing to do with the Cowboys.

TommyBrady12 said:

We both made assumptions. My assumption is more plausible than yours based on the timing of Gordon's release.

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Since you won't even try to understand the mistake you are making, I can only repeat myself.

Oswlek said:

You, on the other hand, are assuming the guy with the near peerless track record overlooked the most basic of considerations. Like he's slapping his head and crying, "how could I possibly have known Sanu or Edelman might get injured!?"

Like you've said, it was trivially easy to keep Gordon around even after Sanu arrived. So why didn't they?

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I could also ask why they didn't just follow through on the release of Tomlinson, who they cut anyway a week later? That was at least as noteworthy as Sanu's arrival, no?

Edit: it's also helpful to note that Gordon being put on IR despite his injury being minor is a point against your argument, not in favor of it.

If you have a hypothesis that doesn't rely on BB being a poor man's Dave Wannstedt, I'd love to hear it.

Fatmancryin said:

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Without doing a thing, we are in their heads. What's new?

Apparently Leighton Vanderbilt esch is not playing , the cowboys will not miss him as he is good at chasing down opposing running backs who make it into the back field.....they remembered it was the patriots running backs they were playing

PP2 said:

Without doing a thing, we are in their heads. What's new?

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It wasn’t even BB, it was obviously Ernie Adams.