Antonio Brown

upstater1 said:

Do we need to get graphic here? He taunts her by saying "I jack my --- on your back," and then later he writes, "Me and [redacted name] a laugh about me busing[sic] on your back." Why taunt her or laugh at her if it's consensual, especially in the context of an angry text at her? How do you think those deciding a civil case are going to understand this?

Also, what about the letter he signed promising no more sexual advances?

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The problem is we simply do not know the context. Therefore, there is no way to know whether Brown’s actions constituted sexual assault.

Based upon those videos it’s not a stretch to imagine that they were making sexy time off and on. Maybe she was making a ham and swiss sandwich on multigrain bread in the kitchen and he snuck up behind her and made his deposit while FaceTime’ing with some friends. That may be lewd and disrespectful but does it cross the line into sexual assault if they had been hooking up already? Probably not for most. And now that I have looked up Superman in the urban dictionary, that type of scenario also seems possible.

What I don’t believe is that this occurred when she was watching a church service on an iPad. That seems contrived and probably made up. Did the complaint additionally mention that she was wearing her communion whites while watching this service, because then it would REALLY be uncalled for.

slash83 said:

Just cause he Superman’d her doesn’t mean it wasn’t consensual.

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Can you just stop? The point was they were in a consensual adult relationship at the time. She went back to him after it happened. No woman goes back if she minds being creamed upon. The selfie video of them in bed in their underwear was not consensual either.

Hey fellas new to this board. Just my take on this AB situation but shouldn’t her credibility be an issue. She lied about the status of their relationship. She talked about 3 encounters. She has asked AB for 1.6 million dollars for a businesss venture but she never mentioned to AB that she had a debt alongside with her mom. She claims to have a gym which is not true. AB was paying for her gym until he stopped making payments. Obviously the relationship turned sour. Now in terms of these videos they came from brown’s reps. They claim that two of those videos are after the alleged rape.

NYCPATS4LIFE said:

Hey fellas new to this board. Just my take on this AB situation but shouldn’t her credibility be an issue. She lied about the status of their relationship. She talked about 3 encounters. She has asked AB for 1.6 million dollars for a businesss venture but she never mentioned to AB that she had a debt alongside with her mom. She claims to have a gym which is not true. AB was paying for her gym until he stopped making payments. Obviously the relationship turned sour. Now in terms of these videos they came from brown’s reps. They claim that two of those videos are after the alleged rape.

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Welcome.

Answer: Yes, she does.

IMO both sides have credibility concerns but this is why evidence, credible witness testimony (the Steeler player who was in the house?) and due process is important.

robertweathers said:

Welcome.

Answer: Yes, she does.

IMO both sides have credibility concerns but this is why evidence, credible witness testimony (the Steeler player who was in the house?) and due process is important.

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I didn't hear about a Steeler player in the house what is that about?

robertweathers said:

Welcome.

Answer: Yes, she does.

IMO both sides have credibility concerns but this is why evidence, credible witness testimony (the Steeler player who was in the house?) and due process is important.

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Thank you no doubt. We shall see. Any idea if the nfl will also talk to the brown? I am sure they will get his side as well and not just the accuser.

What I find interesting is that she has essentially ghosted herself and her business from every social media/ internet platform there is.

Patsgofor4 said:

The problem is we simply do not know the context. Therefore, there is no way to know whether Brown’s actions constituted sexual assault.

Based upon those videos it’s not a stretch to imagine that they were making sexy time off and on. Maybe she was making a ham and swiss sandwich on multigrain bread in the kitchen and he snuck up behind her and made his deposit while FaceTime’ing with some friends. That may be lewd and disrespectful but does it cross the line into sexual assault if they had been hooking up already? Probably not for most. And now that I have looked up Superman in the urban dictionary, that type of scenario also seems possible.

What I don’t believe is that this occurred when she was watching a church service on an iPad. That seems contrived and probably made up. Did the complaint additionally mention that she was wearing her communion whites while watching this service, because then it would REALLY be uncalled for.

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whether we know the context or not is irrelevant. I mean, you start off by saying we don't know the context of the texts. OK, agreed. But you are more than willing to speculate on the context of the videos. That's the kind of pretzel people are getting themselves into here.

The main thing is that the context will be constructed in a court case, if it gets that far, and jurors or a judge are going to create a context for themselves based on the testimony. I mean, Brown is going to be asked what he meant by that text. And if it is harmless, then he better be believable. I read it as taunting her, making fun of her. But people can read it another way, sure. Ultimately, he will be asked about it. What does it mean when you wrote, "[redacted name] and I laughed at my busting on your back."?

slash83 said:

Just cause he Superman’d her doesn’t mean it wasn’t consensual.

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Not even the point.

Why would you taunt someone if it's consensual?

If it were consensual, the response would be, "I know, stupid, I was all for it!"

patsfan13 said:

Consider for a second, that the video they posted on social media showing them in bed together in their undies half naked, might indicate that they were shall we say intimate. Could the behavior described in the text be part of their s*x play? People do all sorts of things in the privacy of the bedroom, so SOME of the behaviors she described may be part of what they choose to do.

We will never know the truth of that. This looks like a money grab by a person seeing their 'sponsor' going away, perhaps she want cash cause he went back to his babies mama?

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I just understand his texts in a different way than you. It seems to me he's taunting her. I wonder why he would taunt her if it was consensual. If I were to speculate, it happened, and he is making fun of her for complaining. Doesn't mean he raped her. But he's certainly taunting her.

I've repeatedly said that the claims of having a letter from him promising no more sexual advances is both crazy and stupid on his part. Think about signing a letter like that. Dumb.

upstater1 said:

whether we know the context or not is irrelevant. I mean, you start off by saying we don't know the context of the texts. OK, agreed. But you are more than willing to speculate on the context of the videos. That's the kind of pretzel people are getting themselves into here.

The main thing is that the context will be constructed in a court case, if it gets that far, and jurors or a judge are going to create a context for themselves based on the testimony. I mean, Brown is going to be asked what he meant by that text. And if it is harmless, then he better be believable. I read it as taunting her, making fun of her. But people can read it another way, sure. Ultimately, he will be asked about it. What does it mean when you wrote, "[redacted name] and I laughed at my busting on your back."?

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They where in a consensual relationship something brown has always stated. She has said it was professional. When he said i busted your back it could have been after sex.

ChrisR2223 said:

I didn't hear about a Steeler player in the house what is that about?

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Apparently on the night when Brown and Taylor left the Miami strip club and he allegedly raped her, at the same time there was a Steeler teammate in the house.

It is not known who this individual is or what state he was in (sleeping, drunk or lucid).

NYCPATS4LIFE said:

Thank you no doubt. We shall see. Any idea if the nfl will also talk to the brown? I am sure they will get his side as well and not just the accuser.

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Not sure but I am assuming the NFL has either already spoken to Brown or plan to very soon. I am 100% positive NEP has spoken to Brown and have gotten his side of the story.

upstater1 said:

I just understand his texts in a different way than you. It seems to me he's taunting her. I wonder why he would taunt her if it was consensual. If I were to speculate, it happened, and he is making fun of her for complaining. Doesn't mean he raped her. But he's certainly taunting her.

I've repeatedly said that the claims of having a letter from him promising no more sexual advances is both crazy and stupid on his part. Think about signing a letter like that. Dumb.

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The relationship likely had turned sour. Something happened in the relationship. Brown was dumb for putting her down in all those texts. Making her look worthless. He had stopped making payments on her gym when it went sour .

robertweathers said:

Not sure but I am assuming the NFL has either already spoken to Brown or plan to very soon. I am 100% positive NEP has spoken to Brown and have gotten his side of the story.

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Well if he has anymore evidence i am sure they wanna see it also to see the dates of those videos.

robertweathers said:

Apparently on the night when Brown and Taylor left the Miami strip club and he allegedly raped her, at the same time there was a Steeler teammate in the house.

It is not known who this individual is or what state he was in (sleeping, drunk or lucid).

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Is this a Taylor witness or Antonio witness

upstater1 said:

Not even the point.

Why would you taunt someone if it's consensual?

If it were consensual, the response would be, "I know, stupid, I was all for it!"

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I understand, but taunting someone about a sexual activity doesn’t make you guilty of rape or any other crime. Makes you childish but not guilty of a crime.

NYCPATS4LIFE said:

Well if he has anymore evidence i am sure they wanna see it also to see the dates of those videos.

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The NFL has a funny way of determining what video is wants/doesn't want to see.

shmessy said:

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What are you talking about???? Hernandez was arrested and led away in handcuffs before they cut him!

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They cut him before he was suspended by the league.