Brady contract situation (Merged - UPDATED:Deal Done)

patfanken said:

Let me try this AGAIN. Between his $15MM in salaries and bonuses and the $12MM prorated signing bonus for this season, Brady's income for this year is essentially $27MM. Where does that put him????

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That’s irrelevant. Those are cap numbers rolling over from previous contracts. If he signs an extension, they will keep rolling them. E.g. if he signs a 2yr $40m extension today, he will have remaining 27 + 2*20 = $67m cap hit over next 3 years and if they wanted they can set it up that his cap hit is 15 per year for this year and next year and 37m in 3rd year. Then come 2021 you’ll be telling me he’s making $37m this year.

It doesn’t work like that.

Basically Brady’s last deal was a 2 year $41m extension. At that point the biggest QB contracts were in the $23-24m range and Brady was at #10 ish. Since then QB salaries have really inflated so if Brady is to take another hometown discount (despite being NFL MVP and reaching 3 and winning 2 Superbowls since his last extension) and wants to be #10ish again, he’ll get paid about $25-27m ish.

The debate seems to be whether you should pay a 44-45 year old that salary (a 2 year extension from now would mean he’s locked for 3 years). Brady would argue he has had no deterioration in performance so age doesn’t factor into it but BB and/or Kraft might think differently.

The situation is tricky. It’s also indicative that many on these forums, despite being Brady homers, think he has “no market” and will “sign for anything” and also think it’s stupid to “pay $20m for a 45 tear old QB”.

Sets up both sides at loggerheads.

Answer could be a one year extension but if Brady plays the year without getting an extension I think we're asking for trouble. Kraft has repeatedly said he hated how Marino and Manning and Favre’s careers ended and he’ll do right by Brady. He can’t let Brady start the season without an extension done.

Biffins said:

. Kraft has repeatedly said he hated how Marino and Manning and Favre’s careers ended and he’ll do right by Brady.

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Guessing you meant Montana there and not Marino

Biffins said:

Sets up both sides at loggerheads.

Answer could be a one year extension but if Brady plays the year without getting an extension I think we're asking for trouble. Kraft has repeatedly said he hated how Marino and Manning and Favre’s careers ended and he’ll do right by Brady. He can’t let Brady start the season without an extension done.

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S0 come 9/8/19 and no extension, Brady is gone?

QuantumMechanic said:

Oh, I’m sure there’s some desperate team who would be willing to sign Brady, but that doesn’t mean Brady will be willing to sign with them. Not just that, but those kind of teams will be the last kind of teams Brady would want to sign with.

I’m with @shmessy — if Brady doesn’t like whatever final offer NE gives he will retire. Why screw with your legacy — and body! — going to some desperate team that won’t have the players, system, or philosophy to let you play your best.

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Definitely a unique situation. No one has ever had to consider what a 41 year old Super Bowl champion is worth. Haha.

Brady isn't going anywhere and he'll be here until he retires imo. They'll figure it out soon enough.

Side note: The discussions I'm hearing this year as opposed to last year's regarding a QB's age has changed. Brady has beaten cliffs, gates, systems and now age.

Clonamery said:

S0 come 9/8/19 and no extension, Brady is gone?

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I think you wait patiently until the Steelers game and see where we at. If no extension is in place by then, I think we need to adjust our expectations how long Brady plays for the NEP

Tony2046 said:

You know pisses me off? When a respected poster offers an opinion about a theoretical possibility and gets an ass laden snuffy nosed response.

Some of you need a good ole smack in the freaking head.

************.

Grow the f up and explain your position civilly or shut the f up.

No brownie points for you.

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Thanks for sticking up for me Tony (if I am your intended ). The point of my posts (simply that the idea that Brady isn't worth much on the free agent market is pretty silly) kind of went astray anyway, so that's why I used my own personal "ignore" method and stopped posting. We're all good though, and preseason starts next week!

"Operation Tank for Trevor" will be initiated Feb. '20

Stock your survival kit now

Brady retires
BB's last move prior to his exit is to trade off all 2020 draft picks for future picks
Robert Kraft goes off grid in what is described as a rejuvenation interval. Unsubstantiated rumors will emerge that RK has been spotted in Vietnam and Thailand with Dan Bilzerian.
Matt Millen is given a one year contract but no title
Tim Tebow returns to Foxboro to run a Ravens-style run/heave offense
Edelman has an emotional breakdown
Guerrero is seen massaging honeydew melons with tears in his eyes
Jonathan Kraft wears a jewel encrusted crown during home games
Stadium beer prices drop from $14 t0 $3 before Game 3 and tap water is no longer $5 per cup
Gillette doesn't renew stadium naming rights
TB12 Sports Therapy Center purchases stadium naming rights for $1 (NFL investigates)
Pats go 1-15...Millen claims vindication....quickly signed by ESPN
Pats own #1 draft pick
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After declining his nomination as Secretary of Defense, BB returns to NE prior to 2021 draft
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BB trades down

PatsDeb said:

Thanks for sticking up for me Tony (if I am your intended ). The point of my posts (simply that the idea that Brady isn't worth much on the free agent market is pretty silly) kind of went astray anyway, so that's why I used my own personal "ignore" method and stopped posting. We're all good though, and preseason starts next week!

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That wasn’t the point of the argument at all, and you know it.

Brady would be priceless to several down market teams and they would offer him record amounts to play for them.

That’s not the issue.

The clear point is that at age 43 next year HE would never choose to (and his wife would never allow him to) go to a new team with new teammates at the age of 43 and put his body and the rest of his life in higher peril. Maybe if this was 2014 and he was 37, but no way next year when he is 43. He and G are near billionaires. Bree’s might do it cause he lost most of his dough on a diamond scam. The possible reward doesn’t approach the potential risk for Brady. Simple as that. It is what it is.

Kraft won't let him play in another uniform.

I expect Brady will get and accept a cap-friendly, two-year extension before Week #1. He doesn't need top dollar, he just wants to keep winning. This is a winning formula and nothing has really changed except that Brady continues to defy conventional wisdom.

Brady's replacement is likely still in college.

Meanwhile, I cherish EVERY game he plays.

shmessy said:

That wasn’t the point of the argument at all, and you know it.

Brady would be priceless to several down market teams and they would offer him record amounts to play for them.

That’s not the issue.

The clear point is that at age 43 next year HE would never choose to (and his wife would never allow him to) go to a new team with new teammates at the age of 43 and put his body and the rest of his life in higher peril. Maybe if this was 2014 and he was 37, but no way next year when he is 43. He and G are near billionaires. Bree’s might do it cause he lost most of his dough on a diamond scam. The possible reward doesn’t approach the potential risk for Brady. Simple as that. It is what it is.

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Hence my previous post:

"Sh-messy, you are missing the points of my posts (and others who agree with me) entirely. So, I am going to retire now, from this thread."

The problem heeya is a faylya to communicate. And don't tell me that I know what you know that I know, ya know?

PatsDeb said:

Hence my previous post:

"Sh-messy, you are missing the points of my posts (and others who agree with me) entirely. So, I am going to retire now, from this thread."

The problem heeya is a faylya to communicate. And don't tell me that I know what you know that I know, ya know?

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I know you mean well, but it’s kind of funny because You didn’t communicate well with yourself - “retire from the thread” usually doesn’t mean you continue to post about it. You’re missing the irony there. Sorry but others have been clear and consistent.

And your new point that it was about what other teams would offer Brady was moving the goalposts when clearly throughout my point was whether BRADY would ever choose on his part to start all over with another team at 43. It ain’t the chicken, it’s the egg. Brady’s decision is the point.

It really can’t be any clearer.

(And maybe Gronk will adopt your definition of “retirement” )

QuantumMechanic said:

Oh, I’m sure there’s some desperate team who would be willing to sign Brady, but that doesn’t mean Brady will be willing to sign with them. Not just that, but those kind of teams will be the last kind of teams Brady would want to sign with.

I’m with @shmessy — if Brady doesn’t like whatever final offer NE gives he will retire. Why screw with your legacy — and body! — going to some desperate team that won’t have the players, system, or philosophy to let you play your best.

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As someone else said, most HoF QBs end up going to a different team. They all want to keep playing longer than their team wants to pay. And some other team is always willing to pony up to make it worth their while.

maust1013 said:

Guessing you meant Montana there and not Marino

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Yes sorry Montana

Clonamery said:

S0 come 9/8/19 and no extension, Brady is gone?

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No he won’t be gone, hopefully. But it will be the first time in his career playing out the last year of his contract. That’s just a fact. We’ll definitely be in unchartered territory.

ChessToCheckers said:

Kraft won't let him play in another uniform.

I expect Brady will get and accept a cap-friendly, two-year extension before Week #1. He doesn't need top dollar, he just wants to keep winning. This is a winning formula and nothing has really changed except that Brady continues to defy conventional wisdom.

Brady's replacement is likely still in college.

Meanwhile, I cherish EVERY game he plays.

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That’s exactly what we’re saying. Brady doesn’t want top dollar and he’ll take a cap friendly contract. Something like $25m per year, same as Brees’ 2yr $50m.

The pushback is that BB and Kraft might hesitate to do that.

shmessy said:

I know you mean well, but it’s kind of funny because You didn’t communicate well with yourself - “retire from the thread” usually doesn’t mean you continue to post about it. You’re missing the irony there. Sorry but others have been clear and consistent.

And your new point that it was about what other teams would offer Brady was moving the goalposts when clearly throughout my point was whether BRADY would ever choose on his part to start all over with another team at 43. It ain’t the chicken, it’s the egg. Brady’s decision is the point.

It really can’t be any clearer.

(And maybe Gronk will adopt your definition of “retirement” )

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IF it’s true that Brady would never move AND he wants to play more football, we should be ok with offering $5 and a pat on the back. Yet he was asking for and getting incentives into his contract last season so it stands to reason Brady wants to get close to market value. He’ll take a discount but not a 90% discount

borg said:

"Operation Tank for Trevor" will be initiated Feb. '20

Stock your survival kit now

Brady retires
BB's last move prior to his exit is to trade off all 2020 draft picks for future picks
Robert Kraft goes off grid in what is described as a rejuvenation interval. Unsubstantiated rumors will emerge that RK has been spotted in Vietnam and Thailand with Dan Bilzerian.
Matt Millen is given a one year contract but no title
Tim Tebow returns to Foxboro to run a Ravens-style run/heave offense
Edelman has an emotional breakdown
Guerrero is seen massaging honeydew melons with tears in his eyes
Jonathan Kraft wears a jewel encrusted crown during home games
Stadium beer prices drop from $14 t0 $3 before Game 3 and tap water is no longer $5 per cup
Gillette doesn't renew stadium naming rights
TB12 Sports Therapy Center purchases stadium naming rights for $1 (NFL investigates)
Pats go 1-15...Millen claims vindication....quickly signed by ESPN
Pats own #1 draft pick
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.
.
.
.
.
..
.
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.
After declining his nomination as Secretary of Defense, BB returns to NE prior to 2021 draft
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.
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.
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BB trades down

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However long it took you, or whoever you paid, to write this was a colossal waste of time. There isn't a single thing there that makes one iota of sense. I know we're heading to the 50th anniversary of Woodstock, but that's no excuse for eviscerating your brain with acid-laced weed on a weekday. For crissakes, at least wait until the weekend officially starts at midnight...

Jackson 2 said:

However long it took you, or whoever you paid, to write this was a colossal waste of time. There isn't a single thing there that makes one iota of sense. I know we're heading to the 50th anniversary of Woodstock, but that's no excuse for eviscerating your brain with acid-laced weed on a weekday. For crissakes, at least wait until the weekend officially starts at midnight...

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Psst......I think he was employing humor.

Biffins said:

IF it’s true that Brady would never move AND he wants to play more football, we should be ok with offering $5 and a pat on the back. Yet he was asking for and getting incentives into his contract last season so it stands to reason Brady wants to get close to market value. He’ll take a discount but not a 90% discount

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Youre the one talking about the Pats lowballing him. I fully expect the Pats to attempt to negotiate what they see as a fair deal that is cap friendly. The 90% discount schtick is all yours.

In the hypothetical scenario where TB becomes a free agent and actually leaves for another team, the value of the team would take a massive hit which would far exceed the cost of extending Tom.

Kraft is not stupid, he will not ever let TB hit FA. Either he plays or retires.