Potential 3-way tie for 1st between NE, KC and Houston (edit: LAC also in the mix)

QuantumMechanic said:

That's not true. H2H is used if one team beat the other two or if one team lost to the other two. They don't have to have all played each other.

From the NFL's website on tiebreakers for 3 or more teams:
"Head-to-head sweep. (Applicable only if one club has defeated each of the others or if one club has lost to each of the others.)"

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TommyBrady12 said:

Forgive me if this has already beeen rehashed in another thread, but I had a question about conference tie breakers. I just realized that with Houston and NE now at 8-3, there could be a potential 3-way tie for 1st if KC drops another one. I think there’s a very good possibility for this:

NE - remaining tough games against Minn and @Pitt, but I can see them winning both.

Houston - no tough games left

KC - tough games against Balt, LAC, and @Seattle. I think KC could lose to Seattle or LAC but probably no more than one more loss.

With each team at 13-3, what’s the tie breaker? Isn’t it common games against one another? If so, NE has a big edge for the 1 seed having already beaten KC and Houston. KC and Houston would fight for the 2 seed in which case the conference winning percentage comes to play (since they are both 0-1 against NE and did not play each other). If KC loses to loses to LAC, it would give them 2 conference losses along with Houston. What’s the tie breaker after conference winning percentage?

Potentially, the AFC could shape up as follows:

NE - 1

Houston - 2

KC - 3

Pitt - 4

LAC - 5

Baltimore/Indy - 6

KC hosting a wild card game would be something.

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QuantumMechanic said:

That's not true. H2H is used if one team beat the other two or if one team lost to the other two. They don't have to have all played each other.

From the NFL's website on tiebreakers for 3 or more teams:
"Head-to-head sweep. (Applicable only if one club has defeated each of the others or if one club has lost to each of the others.)"

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Joey007 said:

You’re dismissing the @ Miami game too easily.

We lost there last year week 14. It could easily happen again.

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brdmaverick said:

Yes, while this thread has me giddy, Houston and KC fans are on their computers thinking it's very likely that NE drops another one, too.

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Tunescribe said:

Too early for this kind of speculation to be meaningful.

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sb1 said:

Oddly enough - the Patriots actually do NOT mathematically control their destiny for a first round bye right now. There is apparently one scenario where they win out and fall to #3.

Can't figure it out....

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AndyJohnson said:

It probably involves the chargers and Texans running the table and kc losing another.
Our win over Houston won’t count in a 3 way tie with SD. Some 1 in 345,000,000 shot.

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sb1 said:

Yeah if the Pats run the table you'd think it has to be with LA and Hou also running the table, as they cannot have more than 3 losses each in such a scenario.

I ran that through the ESPN playoff machine and it has Pats #1, KC #2, Hou #3 and LA #5

I tried a KC LA tie and that puts KC on top at 1 and the Pats at 2. Also tried KC losing to Baltimore and the Chargers and that actually puts the Texans at 1 and the Pats at 2 with LA at 3.

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BlueThunder said:

Pats haven't hit playoff form yet...something seems to be missing this year......they are struggling to win games and they lose to the likes of Tenn and Detroit? Let's hope the
injury bug is behind them and they are at full strength the rest of the way....

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1. Apply division tie breaker to eliminate all but the highest ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2. The original seeding within a division upon application of the division tie breaker remains the same for all subsequent applications of the procedure that are necessary to identify the two Wild-Card participants.
2. Head-to-head sweep. (Applicable only if one club has defeated each of the others or if one club has lost to each of the others.)
3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four.
5. Strength of victory.
6. Strength of schedule.
7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
9. Best net points in conference games.
10. Best net points in all games.
11. Best net touchdowns in all games.
12. Coin toss

Wheelman said:

For the conference I believe:

1. Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games among the clubs).
2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.
3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.
4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
5. Strength of victory.
6. Strength of schedule.
7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
9. Best net points in common games.
10. Best net points in all games.
11. Best net touchdowns in all games.
12. Coin toss

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TommyBrady12 said:

#2 wouldn’t apply here and should be replaced with #4, right?

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Wheelman said:

EDIT: Pasted the correct one now.

Conference 3 way tie:

1. Apply division tie breaker to eliminate all but the highest ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2. The original seeding within a division upon application of the division tie breaker remains the same for all subsequent applications of the procedure that are necessary to identify the two Wild-Card participants.
2. Head-to-head sweep. (Applicable only if one club has defeated each of the others or if one club has lost to each of the others.)
3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four.
5. Strength of victory.
6. Strength of schedule.
7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
9. Best net points in conference games.
10. Best net points in all games.
11. Best net touchdowns in all games.
12. Coin toss

NFL Tiebreaking Procedures | NFL.com

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