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I do have a Doomsday/Total ****** version in which GeeNo replaces Marquis Flowers or Christian Sam, and Thanksdad Ferentz replaces Brian Schwenke.

Whew! That's a relief! I mean, I wasn't to the point of calling someone to make a wellness check, but still .... ;)
 
QB (2) T.Brady, B.Hoyer
RB (4) J.White, R.Burkhead*, S.Michel ..... [B.Bolden]
FB (1) J.Develin*
WR (4) C.Hogan, P.Dorsett, C.Patterson(KR)* ..... [M.Slater]
TE (3) R.Gronkowski, D.Allen, J.Hollister*

C (2) D.Andrews, T.Karras(OG)
G (2) S.Mason, J.Thuney
T (4) T.Brown, M.Cannon, L.Waddle, C.Croston(OG)

DE (5) T.Flowers, A.Clayborn, D.Wise, D.Rivers, K.Davis
DT (4) M.Brown, D.Shelton, L.Guy*, A.Butler
ILB(4) D.Hightower, J.Bentley, E.Roberts ..... [N.Grigsby]
OLB(2) K.VanNoy ..... [B.King]
CB (6) S.Gilmore, E.Rowe, J.Jones*, D.Dawson, R.Lewis ..... [K.Crossen]
SS (3) P.Chung* ..... [J.Richards, N.Ebner]
FS (2) D.McCourty*, D.Harmon
ST (3) S.Gostkowski, R.Allen, J.Cardona

Total players: 51 (TWO OPEN SPOTS)
Created with Pats Picker: Pats Picker 2018
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Players in [brackets] are special teams specialists/dire emergency reserves.
Players with (*) have typically contributed to at least two ST units on a regular basis in the past.
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RB - I'm honestly not certain anymore that either of Hill or Gillislee are really acceptable, although I'm pretty sure that the Pats will keep Hill as insurance, at least until Michel is healthy. Don't want a repeat of 2015.

WR - If the Pats keep another WR as insurance while Edelman is out, my guess would be McCarron, if only because he's healthy (and seems to be fairly durable - he got up after hanging onto a hospital ball), and way cheaper than Decker as a "placeholder". Berrios might be headed to IR.

OL - At OC/OG backup, it could be Schwenke instead of Karras. I'm guessing that they also keep one of John or Tobin as a backup OT. I'm just not sure which.

DE - I really don't think that Pats want to lose Davis, whether he plays ST or not.

OLB - M.Flowers hasn't really shown very much at all in scrimmage, or on ST. Something of a hole at OLB, then, although HT can obviously play OLB .

CB - Seems to me that Crossen has the potential to be an excellent STer, at the very least, with possibly a higher ceiling at CB than Jon Jones (who's very good). I think he's a keeper.
..... Lewis - I'm not entirely sure about. I feel like he's ahead of JC Jackson and Cy Jones in coverage skills. But Jackson may be a bit better on ST right now, and may have as much potential as Lewis, long term. And Cy Jones offers at least some return skills and doesn't appear to be horrible in coverage. Hopefully, the #5 CB doesn't see the field much at all, so Lewis may be sufficiently redundant to be trade-bait, thus leaving a spot open for either Jackson or CJ. IDK - still up in the air for me.

SS - I'm no more comfortable with Richards continuing to back up Chung than anyone else is, but ... it is what it is. OTOH, in Harmon's first couple seasons, his nickel-safety duties were more SS than deep coverage safety, and he did well there. So, finding another backup deep-coverage DB might be as useful as finding a better SS backup than Richards.
... Also, Grigsby apparently played a hybrid SS/LB "star" role at Pitt, so there's that as an option - or even Christian Sam, I suppose. The ability to fill the role is more important than the positional designation, IMHO.


BTW - It seems likely to me that a couple roster moves could be made beginning as early as Monday, e.g., if veterans like JMac and/or Decker are going to be released anyway, it would probably be early as a matter of courtesy. And, it wouldn't be entirely shocking (though sad, wrt JMac).
QB - agree.

RB - I think Hill makes it; he's looked decent often enough to justify keeping a spot for him.

WR - I can see this happening. After the first 3 - and how bad are they when Phil Dorsett is now a lock? - the rest of them is a Barrel of Monkeyshit.

TE - agree.

OL - I hope that both Karras & Schwenke are kept as our C/G backups. It's a toss-up for me for backup LT among Croston, Tobin & John. I would love to hear a real explanation why Bony Tony Garcia couldn't stick around to at least try to compete with these stiffs.

DL - agree.

ILB - Roberts & Grigsby look like similar players. Isn't that more than enough?

OLB - I hope that at least one of Marquis Flowers & Christian Sam is kept to replace at least one of Roberts & Grigsby.

CB - agree; still up in the air after the top 4.

SS - agree, unfortunately.

FS, ST - agree.
 
In terms of the OL: no one thinks any of Ferentz, Tobin, John, Schwenke, or Bowanko will make it? Just curious.

Maybe John.. but definitely no Bowanko. He went on the field for one snap, got a penalty and was promptly yanked.

Possibly Tobin or John, but I'd also like to hear people's opinions on this.
Out of the 5 mentioned, I prefer - by a wide margin - Brian Schwenke. Tobin & John (and maybe Croston, though he's been used almost exclusively inside thus far) might be competing for the 2nd backup (1st backup LT?) OT position, if there is a 4th OT kept at all. Perhaps Bill feels comfortable enough with Waddle (a starting LT in college) as his only backup OT.
 
Roberts & Grigsby look like similar players.

Almost exactly the same size, actually. Roberts is a bit stouter. Grigsby is a bit faster and more agile, perhaps. Doesn't necessarily translate to better defensive skills or even potential, of course.

Grigsby has had only about 14 total snaps on defense in his career. All with the Pats and all in week-17 v. the Jete last season.

Sam is slightly bigger than both, but possibly a bit less athletic than Roberts, even.

Grigsby was excellent on ST last season. Sam has played some on ST this Camp/pre-season, but I haven't read any rave reviews about his performance there. Roberts has contributed minimally on ST in his two seasons with the Pats.

Roberts has now had significant NFL snaps on defense. Grigsby has had a handful of snaps. Sam has had zero, except for pre-season.

As it stands, HT and KVN appear to both be capable of playing ILB or OLB. Bentley seems like he may quickly develop a similar versatility. Roberts seems like an ILB only (and only in a limited capacity). Since that Pats appear to be fielding only two LBs on most snaps, those four + Grigsby (and, very hypothetically, King) may be enough.

(I'm assuming that M. Flowers' lackluster performance on ST and in scrimmage play so far this Camp gets him cut).
 
DEFENSIVE BACKS (10)
CB: Gilmore, Rowe, Dawson, #4,#5
S: McCourty, Chung, Harmon
ST: Richards, Ebner

I see no reason for an 11th DB. As you say, the position could be taken by a LB. However, it is certainly possible that a developmental 6th corner could be one of the last 2 roster spots.

At that depth of the roster, it probably comes down to ST ability and, possibly, developmental potential.
I usually agree that there would be no reason to carry 11 DBs plus Slater (whom I Always list as a DB, NOT as a WR). However, because of the still-close competition among JMac, JCJack, Lewis, Virus Jones & CrossedUp, I feel that this is the year where at least 12 DBs (including STers Slater & Ebner) are kept.
 
I'll take Grisby over Roberts any day of the week

QB - agree.

RB - I think Hill makes it; he's looked decent often enough to justify keeping a spot for him.

WR - I can see this happening. After the first 3 - and how bad are they when Phil Dorsett is now a lock? - the rest of them is a Barrel of Monkeyshit.

TE - agree.

OL - I hope that both Karras & Schwenke are kept as our C/G backups. It's a toss-up for me for backup LT among Croston, Tobin & John. I would love to hear a real explanation why Bony Tony Garcia couldn't stick around to at least try to compete with these stiffs.

DL - agree.

ILB - Roberts & Grigsby look like similar players. Isn't that more than enough?

OLB - I hope that at least one of Marquis Flowers & Christian Sam is kept to replace at least one of Roberts & Grigsby.

CB - agree; still up in the air after the top 4.

SS - agree, unfortunately.

FS, ST - agree.
 
I'll take Grisby over Roberts any day of the week

The only days that matter are Sundays, and the occasional Monday or Thursday.

If you could take custody of Roberts for those three days and let the Pats have Grigsby, then the Pats could keep an eye on Roberts Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Fridays and Saturdays and you could take Grigsby.
 
My 53 3.0:

QB (2) T.Brady, B.Hoyer
RB (6) R.Burkhead, S.Michel, J.Develin, B.Bolden, J.Hill, J.White
WR (5) C.Hogan, P.Dorsett, C.Patterson, E.Decker, M.Slater
TE (3) R.Gronkowski, D.Allen, J.Hollister
C (1) D.Andrews
G (3) S.Mason, J.Thuney, T.Karras
T (4) T.Brown, L.Waddle, C.Croston, M.Cannon
DE (5) T.Flowers, A.Clayborn, D.Wise, K.Davis, D.Rivers
DT (4) M.Brown, D.Shelton, A.Butler, L.Guy
ILB(3) J.Bentley, E.Roberts, D.Hightower
OLB(3) B.King, M.Flowers, K.VanNoy
CB (6) S.Gilmore, D.Dawson, J.Jones, C.Jones, J.McCourty, E.Rowe
SS (3) N.Ebner, E.Pleasant, P.Chung
FS (2) D.McCourty, D.Harmon
ST (3) S.Gostkowski, R.Allen, J.Cardona
Total players: 53

Comments:

- I think Cyrus Jones makes it over McCarron at PR. His value as a CB is too much to pass up vs. McCarron's value as a WR.

- Added Pleasant to our safeties group over Richards.

- Added J. McCourty over J.C. Jackson at CB. I think we can get some of our young CB's (i.e. Crossen, Lewis, and/or Jackson) back on the PS later AND McCourty might be our 4th safety giving him extra value.

- I could see us going into the season without a 4th WR (I have Decker now as WR4) so we can carry some extra players elsewhere. We can lean on White/Burkhead/Hollister to pick up what we lost with a 4th WR. Only issue would be injuries for the first 4 weeks though.
 
Decker's out. Just retired.
 
Does Webb's lack of PT after one game have anything to do with BB knowing what he has and trying to sneak him onto the PS?
 
Hope that's the case and he gets on the PS :cool:
 
I expect a WR from another team.
I can't see Pleasant making the team.

My 53 3.0:

QB (2) T.Brady, B.Hoyer
RB (6) R.Burkhead, S.Michel, J.Develin, B.Bolden, J.Hill, J.White
WR (5) C.Hogan, P.Dorsett, C.Patterson, E.Decker, M.Slater
TE (3) R.Gronkowski, D.Allen, J.Hollister
C (1) D.Andrews
G (3) S.Mason, J.Thuney, T.Karras
T (4) T.Brown, L.Waddle, C.Croston, M.Cannon
DE (5) T.Flowers, A.Clayborn, D.Wise, K.Davis, D.Rivers
DT (4) M.Brown, D.Shelton, A.Butler, L.Guy
ILB(3) J.Bentley, E.Roberts, D.Hightower
OLB(3) B.King, M.Flowers, K.VanNoy
CB (6) S.Gilmore, D.Dawson, J.Jones, C.Jones, J.McCourty, E.Rowe
SS (3) N.Ebner, E.Pleasant, P.Chung
FS (2) D.McCourty, D.Harmon
ST (3) S.Gostkowski, R.Allen, J.Cardona
Total players: 53

Comments:

- I think Cyrus Jones makes it over McCarron at PR. His value as a CB is too much to pass up vs. McCarron's value as a WR.

- Added Pleasant to our safeties group over Richards.

- Added J. McCourty over J.C. Jackson at CB. I think we can get some of our young CB's (i.e. Crossen, Lewis, and/or Jackson) back on the PS later AND McCourty might be our 4th safety giving him extra value.

- I could see us going into the season without a 4th WR (I have Decker now as WR4) so we can carry some extra players elsewhere. We can lean on White/Burkhead/Hollister to pick up what we lost with a 4th WR. Only issue would be injuries for the first 4 weeks though.
 
QB (2) T.Brady, B.Hoyer
RB (6) J.Hill, R.Burkhead, J.White, S.Michel, B.Bolden, J.Develin
WR (5) C.Hogan, P.Dorsett, C.Patterson, R.McCarron, M.Slater
TE (4) R.Gronkowski, J.Hollister, D.Allen, W.Tye
C (1) D.Andrews
G (3) S.Mason, J.Thuney, T.Karras
T (4) T.Brown, M.Cannon, L.Waddle, U.John
DE (5) T.Flowers, A.Clayborn, D.Wise, K.Davis, D.Rivers
DT (4) M.Brown, D.Shelton, L.Guy, A.Butler
ILB(3) D.Hightower, E.Roberts, J.Bentley
OLB(3) K.VanNoy, M.Flowers, B.King
CB (6) S.Gilmore, E.Rowe, J.Jones, J.Jackson, D.Dawson, J.McCourty
SS (2) P.Chung, N.Ebner
FS (2) D.McCourty, D.Harmon
ST (3) S.Gostkowski, R.Allen, J.Cardona
Total players: 53
Created with Pats Picker: Pats Picker 2018
 
6 RBs and 6 CBs doesn't compute but seems its the best 53.

QB (2) T.Brady, B.Hoyer
RB (6) R.Burkhead, S.Michel, J.Develin, J.Hill, B.Bolden, J.White
WR (4) C.Hogan, P.Dorsett, C.Patterson, M.Slater
TE (3) R.Gronkowski, J.Hollister, D.Allen
C (1) D.Andrews
G (3) S.Mason, J.Thuney, T.Karras
T (4) T.Brown, L.Waddle, M.Tobin, M.Cannon
DE (4) T.Flowers, A.Clayborn, D.Rivers, D.Wise
DT (5) M.Brown, D.Shelton, V.Valentine, A.Butler, L.Guy
ILB(4) J.Bentley, E.Roberts, C.Sam, D.Hightower
OLB(3) K.VanNoy, B.King, M.Flowers
CB (6) S.Gilmore, D.Dawson, J.Jones, K.Crossen, J.Jackson, E.Rowe
SS (3) N.Ebner, J.Richards, P.Chung
FS (2) D.McCourty, D.Harmon
ST (3) S.Gostkowski, R.Allen, J.Cardona
 
6 RBs and 6 CBs doesn't compute but seems its the best 53.

QB (2) T.Brady, B.Hoyer
RB (6) R.Burkhead, S.Michel, J.Develin, J.Hill, B.Bolden, J.White
WR (4) C.Hogan, P.Dorsett, C.Patterson, M.Slater
TE (3) R.Gronkowski, J.Hollister, D.Allen
C (1) D.Andrews
G (3) S.Mason, J.Thuney, T.Karras
T (4) T.Brown, L.Waddle, M.Tobin, M.Cannon
DE (4) T.Flowers, A.Clayborn, D.Rivers, D.Wise
DT (5) M.Brown, D.Shelton, V.Valentine, A.Butler, L.Guy
ILB(4) J.Bentley, E.Roberts, C.Sam, D.Hightower
OLB(3) K.VanNoy, B.King, M.Flowers
CB (6) S.Gilmore, D.Dawson, J.Jones, K.Crossen, J.Jackson, E.Rowe
SS (3) N.Ebner, J.Richards, P.Chung
FS (2) D.McCourty, D.Harmon
ST (3) S.Gostkowski, R.Allen, J.Cardona
6 RBs is necessity since one is really a st only player and one is a fb. 4 real RBs are needed sleep when 2 are hobbled.
I have no idea who gets the 4th ot spot.

Cyrus Jones is probably the return man 2 of Crossen, Jackson, Richards go for him and J McCourty IMO.
Neither of the rookie corners look ready for the NFL to me and either should spend a year on the ps or replacing Richards on special teams.

Otherwise I see it pretty much the same but I think they find a spot for Davis
 
6 RBs is necessity since one is really a st only player and one is a fb. 4 real RBs are needed sleep when 2 are hobbled.
I have no idea who gets the 4th ot spot.

Cyrus Jones is probably the return man 2 of Crossen, Jackson, Richards go for him and J McCourty IMO.
Neither of the rookie corners look ready for the NFL to me and either should spend a year on the ps or replacing Richards on special teams.

Otherwise I see it pretty much the same but I think they find a spot for Davis
Good points on Cyrus. I thought about adding him over Crossen but I'm still not sold on him. However, if he can competently return punts and do something on defense I agree he needs to stick. I'm not sold on Patterson in that capacity
 
Good points on Cyrus. I thought about adding him over Crossen but I'm still not sold on him. However, if he can competently return punts and do something on defense I agree he needs to stick. I'm not sold on Patterson in that capacity
Patterson hasn’t even been tried as a punt returner.
Cyrus can’t be worse on defense than Crossen.
 
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