Humor me...

[PatsFan2]

Young Brady had some multiple INT games against great defenses, so it's impossible to know what he would have done. On the other hand, Drake could've used some more checkdown plays. He looked good throwing to Rham and Trev.

Speaking of Trev, some of these rookies don't really know playoff ball. You could see it early last night when Drake Maye ran on 2nd and 20 for a 10 yard gain. Trev gave a wimpy half-hearted block on Emmanwori. If he gave just a little more effort (it's disappointing to be talking about lack of effort for the Super Bowl) then Maye would've definitely run for 20 and the first down.

That one wimpy block stalled an entire early series.

T Henderson have a lot of work to do in the Offseason also Kyle Williams. They Flashed but both weren't consistent.

 

[p8ryts]

T Henderson have a lot of work to do in the Offseason also Kyle Williams. They Flashed but both weren't consistent.

I have more confidence in them improving than I do with Campbell and Wilson.

 

[PatsFan2]

I have more confidence in them improving than I do with Campbell and Wilson.

Let's' hope Campbell is not a Bust for a #4 overall that would hurt. Wilson was a Third Rounder he can go either way.

 

[sieglo]

Only a fully trained Brady, with the force as his ally, could have conquered that pass rush.

A second year Brady? No.

But a later-in-career Brady, with that quick release and the ability to read the defense, set protections, and change plays? Patriots win.

 

[NFL Mystique]

I can't say, but I think with Brady, it's a completely different game. Brady was master of the short yardage, quick game. Maye looks for giant throws and holds it too long. Brady made bad O lines look better by getting it out quicker. Maye makes our average O line worse by holding the ball way too long. I think that's probably what McDaniels works with Maye on over the next year or so. It's a thing Josh Allen has had to learn and so many other great QBs. Stop trying to be Superman and be efficient.

He was not as efficient at those things in year 2 vs what he would become. The Patriots lose that game with second year Tom Brady.

That (LT play) might be the single worst performance I have seen from a non QB in many years.

 

[gobesmug]

Brady is the GOAT and fans need to realize Maye will never duplicate what Brady did.

If you are expecting Maye to win 6 SBs thats just ridiculous.

Maye will be a perennial top 5 QB in the league for years to come, but there will only ever be 1 Brady.

Before someone mentions how young Maye is, just remember Marino got there younger and never won a single championship.

 

[Lagaffe_07]

I have more confidence in them improving than I do with Campbell and Wilson.

I am really down on Williams.

 

[Patsman]

I can't say, but I think with Brady, it's a completely different game. Brady was master of the short yardage, quick game. Maye looks for giant throws and holds it too long. Brady made bad O lines look better by getting it out quicker. Maye makes our average O line worse by holding the ball way too long. I think that's probably what McDaniels works with Maye on over the next year or so. It's a thing Josh Allen has had to learn and so many other great QBs. Stop trying to be Superman and be efficient.

Nailed it - Brady would have at least moved the ball, kept defense off the field. He was a master of the presnap, and anticipating. Maye had zero feel at all.

How bad the Pats offense and Maye was was unprecedented bad.

 

[upstater1]

Nailed it - Brady would have at least moved the ball, kept defense off the field. He was a master of the presnap, and anticipating. Maye had zero feel at all.

How bad the Pats offense and Maye was was unprecedented bad.

The question was young Brady, not the guy he became a few years later.

Remember, Brady never had the bad games he had in his early years ever again. He never threw for 4 INTs in a game again.

 

[Patsman]

The question was young Brady, not the guy he became a few years later.

Remember, Brady never had the bad games he had in his early years ever again. He never threw for 4 INTs in a game again.

Brady simply felt like more of a student cerebral and capable of making adjustments.

Draye is a more physically talented player (legs). QB running game was taken totally away last night with the zone. Key was Maye being able to pick apart that zone a bit with his arm, he wasn't seeing the field well at all.

 

[VrabelJr]

The question was young Brady, not the guy he became a few years later.

Remember, Brady never had the bad games he had in his early years ever again. He never threw for 4 INTs in a game again.

There was a thread before the game about how Maye should improve next season. I wrote bang-bang plays and short passing. I don’t enjoy being prescient on that occasion.

 

[mike_usagisan]

There was a thread before the game about how Maye should improve next season. I wrote bang-bang plays and short passing. I don’t enjoy being prescient on that occasion.

Before the Super Bowl there was a quote from a reporter who asked Maye about the chunk plays and he said he's always looking for the big play.

 

[upstater1]

Brady simply felt like more of a student cerebral and capable of making adjustments.

Draye is a more physically talented player (legs). QB running game was taken totally away last night with the zone. Key was Maye being able to pick apart that zone a bit with his arm, he wasn't seeing the field well at all.

I have a pretty good memory. Brady was limited. He also did not have a stellar first playoffs. The Raiders game was pretty bad, just like the Broncos game this year. Obviously Bledsoe was the QB when we scored all our points in the AFCCG, Brady left with zero on the board. And in the SB, Brady was really good on 2 drives for 10 points, but otherwise, was not asked to do too much. That Rams defense was not of the same caliber as the one we faced last night.

It's not a big surprise that young QBs like Maye, Manning and even Brady struggle when they see a super tough D for the first time. They all struggled.

 

[lancerman]

Before the Super Bowl there was a quote from a reporter who asked Maye about the chunk plays and he said he's always looking for the big play.

Which begs the question, do you move a QB away from his game because you think that's more efficient even if he's had success with it. We might just need to treat Maye like we have Rodgers or Farve and get guys that compliment him

 

[UGAPatsfan]

Tougher than seems obvious because the gameplan would have been materially different with Brady at QB vs Maye.

You aren’t scheming downfield plays primarily with a year two Brady because that isn’t what he was.

You are scheming “death by 1000 cuts” quick game all night knowing Brady will be patient and get it out fast or throw it away.

That just isn’t in Drake’s game.

Nor was a 40 yard bomb in Tom’s very often.

If you literally plunked year two Brady into THAT game with THAT gameplan, Brady doesn’t do meaningfully better IMO.

Which brings up a nagging question: does anyone even know what exactly the gameplan even was last night? Seemed very disjointed.

I suppose that’s what happens when you give up fast pressure most of the time.

 

[50-yard-line]

Morning fellas,

Season is over and we’re onto 2026, but before we flip the page I have one lingering thought on my mind as I try to decide what to make of Drake Maye regular season performance vs. his post season. Granted, the caliber of teams we faced in the playoffs was better, we did face some decent defenses throughout the regular season as well and seemed to handle them just fine.

I’m curious to know how much of the loss yesterday was on Drake Maye vs. the abysmal o-line play and/or receivers. The roster has been largely intact personnel wise throughout the season, especially in the o-line (outside Campbell’s injury which I think he hasn’t looked the same since….).

So humor me on this one: Replay last night’s game in your head for a moment - same EXACT teams but you swap out Maye for a 2nd year Tom Brady…. What do you think the outcome of the game would have been? Still a loss? Closer loss? Worse loss? Again – not veteran Brady but a 2nd year one. Would a 2nd year Brady fared better last night? And before some of you say “Brady DID win a Superbowl his second year”… The 2001 Rams and the 2025 Seahawks are not the same teams. Rams had a great offense, and Pats showed up with awesome defense. Granted Brady played as good as he possibly could have in that Superbowl, but I think the challenge in that game was more about stopping the “Greatest Show on Turf”. Last night however, Seattle was a more complete team. So I’m wondering if all that bashing (especially outside this region) of Drake Maye is really justified? Could he have done a better job last night? Is it all on the o-line? Is it on both? Would a 2nd year Brady (same exact play calls, same o-line, same receivers) have fared better against that Seattle defense?

Just curious to hear your thoughts.

Maye missed some throws, even some easy throws. He was rattled, and couldn't decipher Seattle's cover 6 scheme.

But...he has been battered in this postseason. They talk about a rookie wall - it's a real thing - and both Campbell and Wilson seemed to have hit it (playing 4 of the very best defenses in the league).

Look at this stat line:
Pass/Com.......Yards..Yds per...TD....Int......Sacks.......QBR.....Rating...Rushing
....26-49.............243.......5.5.............0........2........3-27.......42.2.......52.3.........5-33

That's Mahomes against Tampa in the Superbowl.

I'll give Maye a Mulligan on yesterday. Not so sure Campbell at LT gets one, however. I like Campbell and can't criticize the pick (there really was a bare cupboard at tackle), but unless we see a dramatic year 2 leap, those people arguing about his short arms and guard physique might be right.

 

[UGAPatsfan]

He was not as efficient at those things in year 2 vs what he would become. The Patriots lose that game with second year Tom Brady.

That (LT play) might be the single worst performance I have seen from a non QB in many years.

It was the single worst performance by a LT ever since next gen began in 2015.

Let that sink in a minute.

Will Campbell just played the worst game any left tackle has in 11 years.

Wilson wasn’t good either, but he was “normal bad” not “historically bad”.

 

[LightSkinSmurf]

We likely still lose the game but he wouldn't have had the worst SB performance of all time. I also don't rule out winning. Brady was so much better at keeping his composure and getting the ball out quick. Which is exactly what Maye sucks with currently and what we needed last night.

Also better at not turning the ball over. All those are huge factors that could have changed the outcome. Not to mention how much more clutch Brady was. 19-7 with Brady driving, I bet we score a TD to make it 19-14 instead of turning it over and ending the game immediately.

 

[p8ryts]

I am really down on Williams.

I am really down on Williams.

Which Williams are you referring to?

 

[Hyped]

Morning fellas,

Season is over and we’re onto 2026, but before we flip the page I have one lingering thought on my mind as I try to decide what to make of Drake Maye regular season performance vs. his post season. Granted, the caliber of teams we faced in the playoffs was better, we did face some decent defenses throughout the regular season as well and seemed to handle them just fine.

I’m curious to know how much of the loss yesterday was on Drake Maye vs. the abysmal o-line play and/or receivers. The roster has been largely intact personnel wise throughout the season, especially in the o-line (outside Campbell’s injury which I think he hasn’t looked the same since….).

So humor me on this one: Replay last night’s game in your head for a moment - same EXACT teams but you swap out Maye for a 2nd year Tom Brady…. What do you think the outcome of the game would have been? Still a loss? Closer loss? Worse loss? Again – not veteran Brady but a 2nd year one. Would a 2nd year Brady fared better last night? And before some of you say “Brady DID win a Superbowl his second year”… The 2001 Rams and the 2025 Seahawks are not the same teams. Rams had a great offense, and Pats showed up with awesome defense. Granted Brady played as good as he possibly could have in that Superbowl, but I think the challenge in that game was more about stopping the “Greatest Show on Turf”. Last night however, Seattle was a more complete team. So I’m wondering if all that bashing (especially outside this region) of Drake Maye is really justified? Could he have done a better job last night? Is it all on the o-line? Is it on both? Would a 2nd year Brady (same exact play calls, same o-line, same receivers) have fared better against that Seattle defense?

Just curious to hear your thoughts.

I think 2nd year Brady wouldn’t have three turnovers nor would he have that TD throw to Hollins.

The Sehawks DL flummoxed our OL all night. Blitzed different guys from the secondary, did stunts/twists, and dropped guys into coverage leaving our guards with nobody to block.

But I think Brady wouldn’t have held onto the ball, not thrown that interception (weird throw to Love…almost like he was hurting the throw), and taken a sack on the final pick six.

All in all…17 points off turnovers. I think Brady would have lost this game 15-7 with an onsides kick recovered by the Seahawks.