Miles Garrett is a legit possibility

[n1997y]

Your assuming the Browns even know what a fool looks like.

Don’t they have mirrors in Cleveland?

 

[Patsfan1645]

Don’t they have mirrors in Cleveland?

Probably not for fear of this.......

 

[Pape]

Contract isn't as problematic IMO it's the age. Broncos ate Wilson's salary and they are just fine... Garrett is phenomenal but would we want to take a player at 29? If he's 25 or 26 wouldn't bat an eye.

I will continue to say this the salary cap is something created by the owners. It can be modified, manipulated in many fashionable ways should 2 teams truly want to make a deal.. of course teams want to always make best use of it and it's a real thing but it's not the end all be all. Good players cost $$$ that's the reality of the NFL. This is just my opinion.

will preface this by saying I do not think the brownies will trade Garrett...

If you feel your "window of contention" is open, that you have a legit chance to compete for hardware (and I don't mean the 2021 "Oh happy days we're smiling because we made the playoffs" contention) - so i reiterate - a legit shot, then you do it... age be damned...

Over the last 25 years we have seen/are seeing two legendary coach/player combos... most teams like KC fade off after three, maybe four appearances in the SB... so what we have witnessed in the last 25 years has warped the vision of what is possible...

Its a risky proposition, all those picks for a 29/30 year old player... but damn baby, if you are there.... oooman... The Great One (or his dad) once said "You miss 100% of the shots you don't take" ... So if that SB window is open now? You.Get.The.****ing.Player.

 

[patfanken]

Milton Williams is due $21 million guaranteed next year. Milton Williams Contract Details, Salary Cap Charges, Bonus Money, and Contract History | Over The Cap

Miles Garret is going to play for just $2 million more? If he did, Garrett really has seen the light. Gonzo will need a top CB contract in 2026 and Maye eligible for contract negotiations after the 2026 season.

Then there is the issue of how much Garrett costs. The Browns would surely seek more than a 1st.

Williams is worth every penny he got, and is a great FA signing, but he doesn't have nearly the impact on an offense as Garrett does today.

 

[n1997y]

One take I get from the cap discussion is that we don't ever have to worry about somebody duplicating that 20 year run of excellence. Looking at that Lions list of resigning's makes me believe that teams' superbowl window's are going to be shorter going forward with this salary explosion of the last few years.

I’m not sure I entirely agree. When I look back at that I see two dynasties with about a three year break between them. That’s based on AFCCG appearances. The first ended just after they got Moss, when Brady’s knee was torn up a year later. Then there was a bit of an interregnum before the second dynasty.

Key difference is that during the first dynasty Brady was still developing, and would spread the ball around. Those were the days that it was truly said Brady’s favorite receiver was whoever’s open. It seemed to me that Brady’s perspective changed when he got Moss and then got injured. After that he seemed much more inclined to decide he liked a player or didn’t, and to favor players he liked and freeze out the others.

Anyway there are a couple of points to all this rambling. One is that there wasn’t a single monolithic twenty year run, it was broken up into different pieces. The other is that over the twenty years the cast of characters turned over, many times at most positions. Brady and Belichick were the constants.

To me that last point says it’s quite possible the sustained success can be replicated. The twenty years with Bill and Tom were done in the salary cap era. It’s really a matter of managing the cap to build a strong team, with a solid middle class and strong depth. See below.

I know KC is in the midst of a long run now, but it started back before salaries boomed. Remember back in 2019 premium QB salaries were about $25MM in just 6 years, they have more than doubled and now premium Edge rushers are getting over $40MM. Hard to compete through a long season when your cap is so top heavy. The secret to our long-term success was the existence of a strong middle class and the depth to survive the inevitable injuries that pop up. The failures of those talented Pats teams of the late 90's stemmed from the fact they couldn't survive the injuries that occurred.

Thats the point of my dividing the dynastic era into two dynasties. During the first dynasty Brady would spread the ball around to anybody who was open. The WRs were middle class and interchangeable, so as long as the depth on the bench had the next man up who could also get open the train kept rolling. After Brady got a taste of having a cheat code WR with Moss, and after his injury, he was not as quick to throw to any receiver he didn’t already trust, so when injuries put one of his binkies down it wasn’t as easy for the next man up to step in and produce at the same level. I think there were some other nuances as well but that’s good enough to make the point.

ATM I think it’s the coaches who are making the decisions about what players they trust. They’re putting the ones they see as giving the best chance to win on the field, and developing the depth behind them. We’ll see how well those developmental players do when given the opportunity. To me the important thing is that as long as the pipeline is well stocked if one of the developmental players doesn’t step up when given the chance there will be another one waiting in line to be next man up. As long as that’s true it becomes a matter of ensuring quality in the pipeline. So far I think Vrabel and Josh are doing that well enough that I’m not willing to put a cap on the prospects of team success this year or in the foreseeable future.

 

[n1997y]

Probably not for fear of this.......

Great, but should be wearing green, not the silver star. Just saying.

 

[NFL Mystique]

I don't know all the contract details, but Drake has 3 more years (with his option) on the rookie deal. Now I'm sure he will be extended before that comes to pass, but how hard is it to get out of Myles contract after the 27 season?
Myles would make us e serious contenders for the SB this year, and the next two imho. The timing of resigning Maye while getting out of Myles contract could sync up nicely.
This is pure BS however, Myles isn't getting traded.

If Maye extends in 2027, would his new contract kick in for that season?

 

[rkarp1]

I may be wrong here (I know, there's a first time for everything ) but from what I understand not only would trading him completely cripple Cleveland for the next few years but the cap hit for us would really limit our flexibility as we continue this rebuild. So as much as I'd like to have a beast like Garrett unless there's something I'm unaware of I'd pass.

with all due respect completely wrong on both counts

Myles Garrett Contract Details, Salary Cap Charges, Bonus Money, and Contract History | Over The Cap

Myles Garrett contract and salary cap details, including signing bonus, guaranteed salary, dead money, roster bonuses, and contract history

overthecap.com

 

[TommyD4207]

If Garrett was 25 absolutely you do it. As great as he is he is pushing 30.... have to take this into account.

Denver absorbed a huge hit from Wilson.. so as it's been proven over and over again if two teams legitimately want to make a deal they will figure it out. We as fans worry more about cap space then NFL teams do.

The only consideration to his age at this point is that he's not 35.

He's right in the middle of his prime, and he's going to be able to come into a situation where he can be rotated with other good players.

Again, like I said, this isn't just 2nd/3rd tier Vet Pass Rusher like Trey Hendrickson who's already 31.

This is a guy who got 5 sacks in a game *4 days ago*.

 

[TommyD4207]

I may be wrong here (I know, there's a first time for everything ) but from what I understand not only would trading him completely cripple Cleveland for the next few years but the cap hit for us would really limit our flexibility as we continue this rebuild. So as much as I'd like to have a beast like Garrett unless there's something I'm unaware of I'd pass.

It doesn't.
They're already crippled.
Moving Garrett's raw numbers off the books allows them to have a free agency the next couple of years, before Watson's money can finally be dealt with.

As it stands now, they have no chance to sign any sort of free agent. It's not just Watson's contract either, it's Jerry Jeudy (who nobody wants anymore) that's hamstringing them, along with Garrett. Garrett's the only one who any other team would want.

 

[TommyD4207]

will preface this by saying I do not think the brownies will trade Garrett...

If you feel your "window of contention" is open, that you have a legit chance to compete for hardware (and I don't mean the 2021 "Oh happy days we're smiling because we made the playoffs" contention) - so i reiterate - a legit shot, then you do it... age be damned...

Over the last 25 years we have seen/are seeing two legendary coach/player combos... most teams like KC fade off after three, maybe four appearances in the SB... so what we have witnessed in the last 25 years has warped the vision of what is possible...

Its a risky proposition, all those picks for a 29/30 year old player... but damn baby, if you are there.... oooman... The Great One (or his dad) once said "You miss 100% of the shots you don't take" ... So if that SB window is open now? You.Get.The.****ing.Player.

This is how my thinking usually goes.

The difference is that, this changes your equation. This actually opens your window of contention where it might not have been before, for *this* year.

This isn't Micah Parsons, this is Myles ****ing Garrett. I'd love to try to express my opinions on the two players better than that, but I can't.

This isn't a 'puts you over the top' move. This is a 'opens the window wide open for the next 2 years before you have to pay Maye' move. This is any offense trying to do anything against Garrett/Barmore/Williams/Chaisson with the AFC Defensive Player of the Month at slot corner, and an All-Pro on the boundary.

This is, people will cry that we can't cover tight ends, because it's literally the only thing we can't do.

 

[JoeSixPat]

Halloween would be a great day to pull the trigger on a trade for Garrett

How Myles Garrett became the NFL's king of Halloween

Cleveland Browns defensive end Myles Garrett opens up about his favorite Halloween costumes and what makes the holiday special for him.

www.nbcsandiego.com

They're spending $40 mil a season on this guy and don't even have a QB. Between that and what they are paying Watson not to pay, that's a good chunk of owners money and cap space committed to NOT being a contender for the next few years.

That's a big contract for the Pats to take on, but they can actually afford it while Maye is on his rookie contract

 

[TommyD4207]

Halloween would be a great day to pull the trigger on a trade for Garrett

How Myles Garrett became the NFL's king of Halloween

Cleveland Browns defensive end Myles Garrett opens up about his favorite Halloween costumes and what makes the holiday special for him.

www.nbcsandiego.com

They're spending $40 mil a season on this guy and don't even have a QB. Between that and what they are paying Watson not to pay, that's a good chunk of owners money and cap space committed to NOT being a contender for the next few years.

That's a big contract for the Pats to take on, but they can actually afford it while Maye is on his rookie contract

This.
It's a big number, but it's less than what Micah Parsons/Aiden Hutchinson are making.

 

[Pape]

This is how my thinking usually goes.

The difference is that, this changes your equation. This actually opens your window of contention where it might not have been before, for *this* year.

This isn't Micah Parsons, this is Myles ****ing Garrett. I'd love to try to express my opinions on the two players better than that, but I can't.

This isn't a 'puts you over the top' move. This is a 'opens the window wide open for the next 2 years before you have to pay Maye' move. This is any offense trying to do anything against Garrett/Barmore/Williams/Chaisson with the AFC Defensive Player of the Month at slot corner, and an All-Pro on the boundary.

This is, people will cry that we can't cover tight ends, because it's literally the only thing we can't do.

hard to argue with this logic...

i have the von miller to the rams, the reggie white to the packers, the chirefs getting frank clark, charles haley jumping to the cowboys rolling around in my head, trying to weight the benefit... so far its hard to argue against it ...

 

[TommyD4207]

hard to argue with this logic...

i have the von miller to the rams, the reggie white to the packers, the chirefs getting frank clark, charles haley jumping to the cowboys rolling around in my head, trying to weight the benefit... so far its hard to argue against it ...

And really, this is Reggie White to the Packers, or maybe Charles Haley to the Cowboys depending on how highly you think about Charles Haley (I'm biased because he was JMU).

I'm sort of splitting hairs at this point. But even in the Hall of Fame there are levels. Von Miller, to me, is a Hall of Famer. Reggie White is an all-timer, up there with Lawrence Taylor and Bruce Smith.

Micah Parsons/Maxx Crosby, hall of famers. Myles Garrett, all-timer.

 

[rkarp1]

yeah, I am not concerned with Garrett's age or contract
my concern is what is the cost going to be in draft revenue?
I draw the line at 2 number 1's. I believe there will be teams offering more

 

[TommyD4207]

yeah, I am not concerned with Garrett's age or contract
my concern is what is the cost going to be in draft revenue?
I draw the line at 2 number 1's. I believe there will be teams offering more

Possibly. There are still quite a few teams that couldn't afford Garrett on their cap despite the reduced rate you'd be getting him for.

We'll see. My guess is the Browns do nothing, because that's the most Browns thing to do.

 

[rkarp1]

Possibly. There are still quite a few teams that couldn't afford Garrett on their cap despite the reduced rate you'd be getting him for.

We'll see. My guess is the Browns do nothing, because that's the most Browns thing to do.

they could wait until the offseason, hire a new management team/hc, and see how the draft order shakes out.

 

[patfanken]

If Maye extends in 2027, would his new contract kick in for that season?

That's what extension means. HOWEVER, there would be some obscene signing bonus of something like $40-50MM that he'd collect right away, so he wouldn't need to borrow his lunch money.

BTW- I think this thread has run its course. Cleveland said they aren't going to trade him so it's moot. I posted this because I thought it COULD happen, and perhaps SHOULD happen, but it isn't going to happen. Time to move on and concentrate our discussions on other possible trades and the upcoming game.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Could happen.

Browns are perennially horrible for a reason. They are adept at making horrible decisions.

It would take Garrett becoming completely fed up with his situation THIS WEEK, wanting a trade and throwing rocks (or helmets) inside their glass house.

If Vrabel, Kraft, and Wolf are confident that our first rd picks will be late, giving up 2 of them is reasonable.

There's 30 other teams... even if all of the above happens. So, it's very improbable, but possible.

I don't believe this will happen, and I'm not a fan of giving up two firsts. However, if you look at it from this perspective it does change the context. Looking at the next draft, and its strengths and weaknesses there is a good chance that they will use a first round pick for an Edge rusher. In that light the idea of using two firsts for the best edge rusher in football, and as Tommy has said a sure fire 1st ballot HOF player then the price doesn't seem that bad.