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What do you mean ancient history?? Did Brady's injury have any impact on the 2008 superbowl? Did gronks ankle have anything to do with 2012? Point I'm making is flowers didn't play he's the Ravens best playmaker at WR.. anyhow when a team is without key pieces it's tough to win in the NFL. Did we win a superbowl in the 2008 season? We didn't even make the playoffs.. why becuase our best player was out. Injuries matter Wozzy
Lamar needs a lot of excuses playing on the best team in the AFC annually…. but you don’t see that.
 
You also know that if BB had listened to the fans they would have drafted Sergio Kindle rather than Rob Gronkowski, right?
I remember those days.
A lot of Kindle fans going nuts.
 
Maybe but not too many teams in NFL history had that kind of talent at TE.

For SB teams, maybe GB w/ Keith Jackson and Mark Chmura come close.
Bennett was closer to the end of his career than the beginning. They were a good deep team. Nothing unusual about that on playoff teams.
 
Bennett was closer to the end of his career than the beginning. They were a good deep team. Nothing unusual about that on playoff teams.
Regardless, Bennett had numbers which a TE1 would kill for.

It is not as common as you think for teams to have two starting caliber TEs.
 
Lamar needs a lot of excuses playing on the best team in the AFC annually…. but you don’t see that.
Not excuse making. Ravens should have won the game simply put.
 
This conversation is impossible anyway, BB never got Tom weapons… it has to be wrong.
BB made plenty of efforts to surround TB12 with guys.. the problems were he sometimes got guys trying to put square pegs in round holes.. golloway, Wayne, holt, Ocho... I wish more got spoken of the excellent 1200 yard season Brandon Lloyd had here!
 
BB made plenty of efforts to surround TB12 with guys.. the problems were he sometimes got guys trying to put square pegs in round holes.. golloway, Wayne, holt, Ocho... I wish more got spoken of the excellent 1200 yard season Brandon Lloyd had here!
He was being sarcastic
 
He was being sarcastic
I should have known.. LOL.. he made it appear to me as if Lamar is the only problem and not having your top weapon in a road payoff game doesn't matter..

It amazing we won 6 superbowls with TB12 throwing and catching..
 
I should have known.. LOL.. he made it appear to me as if Lamar is the only problem and not having your top weapon in a road payoff game doesn't matter..

It amazing we won 6 superbowls with TB12 throwing and catching..
I'm actually on Wozzy's side of the LJ argument. I do think LJ is an absurd talent and is improving as a passer.

The problem with LJ and his career to this point is he has not proven himself to be the QB that can get it done consistently in the passing game when he NEEDS to. I think missing Zay hurt him vs BUF. Maybe they win if he plays. Not sure. Andrews didn't do him any favors vs BUF but in that game IMO that was LJs best playoff game. Hes just not there- yet.
 
I'm actually on Wozzy's side of the LJ argument. I do think LJ is an absurd talent and is improving as a passer.

The problem with LJ and his career to this point is he has not proven himself to be the QB that can get it done consistently in the passing game when he NEEDS to. I think missing Zay hurt him vs BUF. Maybe they win if he plays. Not sure. Andrews didn't do him any favors vs BUF but in that game IMO that was LJs best playoff game. Hes just not there- yet.
Yes you made my exact point I was making to Wozzy. I agree that Jackson hasn't proved himself in the post season where the pressures on. No argument there. This past post season it was actually different. No flowers and his ALL Pro TE got stone hands for some odd reason. Some QBs they have to endure loosing in the post season to get to the next level. This is something brady Excelled at early on in his career as a starter. As good as coach Harbaugh is.. he defers to his coordinations alot more than he should in big games. That also is another reason Baltimore hasn't gotten over the hump in the post season.. play calling.
 
Yes you made my exact point I was making to Wozzy. I agree that Jackson hasn't proved himself in the post season where the pressures on. No argument there. This past post season it was actually different. No flowers and his ALL Pro TE got stone hands for some odd reason. Some QBs they have to endure loosing in the post season to get to the next level. This is something brady Excelled at early on in his career as a starter. As good as coach Harbaugh is.. he defers to his coordinations alot more than he should in big games. That also is another reason Baltimore hasn't gotten over the hump in the post season.. play calling.
Not sure it's playcalling. LJ had a bad pick and a bad fumble. Sometimes he tries to do too much.

With that said BUF hasn't gotten over the hump either. As great as Allen is he hasn't taken his team past KC....and the playcalling hasn't helped either.
 
Not sure it's playcalling. LJ had a bad pick and a bad fumble. Sometimes he tries to do too much.

With that said BUF hasn't gotten over the hump either. As great as Allen is he hasn't taken his team past KC....and the playcalling hasn't helped either.
The AFCD against the titans in 2019-20 they kept chucking it down field to Hollywood brown.. getting away from the run game.. leading to turnovers.. same thing against the Chiefs in the AFCCG.. they kept trying to hit Bateman and flowers when it wasn't there.. getting away from what they do best... so yeah.. pla y calling. BB never kept doing the same thing that's not working in big games.. he would veto a play call. I agree LJ does try to do alot on his own. With you on Buffalo.. give Vrabel Allen instead of tanenhill in 2019 titans get to the superbowl.
 
I hope this doesn’t continue to fester.

 
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