2025 Draft: WRs

[PatsFan2]

Imagine getting him and his running mate Higgins Hmmmmm.

 

[dliverey]

I am not that tall though, but Everything else is on target

 

[dliverey]

I like Chris Simms. I say it every year, people single him out to **** on him for whatever reason, but I enjoy his takes.

Say what you say about him, but when you listen to his breakdowns he gives very in depth reasoning behind his ranking, he breaks it down why he feels the way he does about a player, and it's obvious he's actually watched the tape.

I find too many of the draft experts are just regurgitating the consensus and give very vague and shallow analysis which leads me to wonder how much tape they actually watched. You mightn't always agree with Simms, but he's not afraid to give an honest opinion and stray away from the consensus.

Also, you can cherry pick bad takes with hindsight from any draft guru, it's the nature of the beast. But I don't see you pointing to Simms "hot takes" that got ridiculed but that he got right.

Last year he was higher on Nix and Penix than everyone else. He got absolutely ridiculed for having Nabers and Brian Thomas Jr ahead of Harrison Jr. He had Lamar and Josh Allen as 1 & 2 when everyone else was going with Darnold, Baker and Rosen as their top 3. He had Mahomes as his 1 in 2017. He had Zay Flower's as joint 1 with JSN when most didn't have him in top 10.

Everyone has bad takes. The thing i like about Simms is that he owns his take when it's bad. It's also still early to claim any of his takes from last year are right or wrong. Alot of players regress in the 2nd season because there is more tape on them.

I don't always agree with him but appreciate the reasoning behind his take. I also have my own takes and don't follow consensus. With that in mind it's refreshing to see him do his thing

 

[dliverey44]

Dude was already off my list but this seals it. Gronk has said that he was kinda the same way.

 

[bakes781]

Dude was already off my list but this seals it. Gronk has said that he was kinda the same way.

I had remember seeing this clip and couldn't find it again. I wonder if he tried to get it removed.

 

[dliverey44]

I had remember seeing this clip and couldn't find it again. I wonder if he tried to get it removed.

This is the 1st time I have seen it. Might explain his lack of route salesmanship. Not always but often.

 

[Hammer of Thor]

Dude was already off my list but this seals it. Gronk has said that he was kinda the same way.

One of the last players I recall saying he doesn’t like watching football that we drafted was Dominique Easley.

 

[Joey007]

Dude was already off my list but this seals it. Gronk has said that he was kinda the same way.

Nope nope nope.

I can tolerate those questions from another position. But given our track record with receivers?

Nope nope nope. Keep him far the hell away from me.

 

[dliverey44]

Just putting this reminder out there for everyone

 

[Rdforty2]

All the time before the draft and you talk yourself in circles. I find myself wondering how good Luther Buden could be in a McDaniels offense. If he can be developed as a route runner, hes a more explosive Amon Ra. He has the bulk and strength to be a high volume slot but is also a home run threat. There are certainly questions but the potential is through the roof.

 

[manxman2601]

All the time before the draft and you talk yourself in circles. I find myself wondering how good Luther Buden could be in a McDaniels offense. If he can be developed as a route runner, hes a more explosive Amon Ra. He has the bulk and strength to be a high volume slot but is also a home run threat. There are certainly questions but the potential is through the roof.

his 2023 tape is much better than his 2024. I only have two doubts. Firstly, there's some question marks about his character which gives me pause, and secondly, I think we really need an X so I would prioritise Higgins and maybe even Ayomanor over Burden.

 

[Rdforty2]

his 2023 tape is much better than his 2024. I only have two doubts. Firstly, there's some question marks about his character which gives me pause, and secondly, I think we really need an X so I would prioritise Higgins and maybe even Ayomanor over Burden.

I get that. And we'll see where he goes and how big of an issue that actually is.

And I agree that we don't necessarily need a slot. But he's got the ability to play inside and out, and he has the talent to be the best slot the Patriots have ever had. As important as that role has been, that could be huge.

With that said, I'm definitely not taking Ayomanor over him. I can get the need of Higgins because he's just a better prospect than Ayomanor, but I do think Burden is a better prospect than Higgins.

 

[manxman2601]

I was watching PFF breakdown some day 3 receivers and they stated that Jaylin Lane has a 99th percentile separation grade. So add the fact that he is one of the best separators in CFB too his testing, and you have an excellent fall back to missing out on Jaylin Noel.

 

[manxman2601]

I get that. And we'll see where he goes and how big of an issue that actually is.

And I agree that we don't necessarily need a slot. But he's got the ability to play inside and out, and he has the talent to be the best slot the Patriots have ever had. As important as that role has been, that could be huge.

With that said, I'm definitely not taking Ayomanor over him. I can get the need of Higgins because he's just a better prospect than Ayomanor, but I do think Burden is a better prospect than Higgins.

I would have said the same about Ayomanor until I read about how physical he is in the run game and that just said to me 'Vrabel guy'. Also, at least for next season, Burden is a little redundant with Diggs on the roster. I realise we're drafting for more than one season but it's a question of priorities. Give me Higgins and Jaylin Noel / Kyle Williams over Burden and a later day two/three X. Not that I would be too disappointed if we drafted Burden, he's still a good receiver.

 

[manxman2601]

Just putting this reminder out there for everyone

I would trade up for him in the same way I would for Conerly if we went LT at 4.

 

[dliverey44]

I get that. And we'll see where he goes and how big of an issue that actually is.

And I agree that we don't necessarily need a slot. But he's got the ability to play inside and out, and he has the talent to be the best slot the Patriots have ever had. As important as that role has been, that could be huge.

With that said, I'm definitely not taking Ayomanor over him. I can get the need of Higgins because he's just a better prospect than Ayomanor, but I do think Burden is a better prospect than Higgins.

Why do you say Burden is better than Higgins?

 

[bakes781]

I was watching PFF breakdown some day 3 receivers and they stated that Jaylin Lane has a 99th percentile separation grade. So add the fact that he is one of the best separators in CFB too his testing, and you have an excellent fall back to missing out on Jaylin Noel.

We're bound to end up with a Jaylin just depends on the spelling lol

 

[Rdforty2]

Why do you say Burden is better than Higgins?

Because he's much more explosive and elusive. He's a big play threat any time he touched it. He absolutely needs work(and questions off the field) but there's a reason he was considered a top 10 pick at one point. Not to mention, history in this offense tends to go with a high volume slot.

I like Higgins but he doesnt play as fast as his 40. I'd have no problems with him in the 2nd. You csn definitely argue X is a bigger need, so i wouldn't throw a fit if he's the guy. But I dont think his upside is as high as Burden's. And I don't know the extent of any off the field issues, so i tend to judge generally just on the field.

 

[dliverey44]

Because he's much more explosive and elusive. He's a big play threat any time he touched it. He absolutely needs work(and questions off the field) but there's a reason he was considered a top 10 pick at one point. Not to mention, history in this offense tends to go with a high volume slot.

I like Higgins but he doesnt play as fast as his 40. I'd have no problems with him in the 2nd. You csn definitely argue X is a bigger need, so i wouldn't throw a fit if he's the guy. But I dont think his upside is as high as Burden's. And I don't know the extent of any off the field issues, so i tend to judge generally just on the field.

I agree that Higgins does not play as fast and his upside is not as high as a just flat out playmaker. Burden has too many issues on the field for me too get behind him in the first round. I am looking at strictly on field stuff as well because I don't look into their backgrounds at all.

I get why you prefer Burden.

 

[Rdforty2]

I agree that Higgins does not play as fast and his upside is not as high as a just flat out playmaker. Burden has too many issues on the field for me too get behind him in the first round. I am looking at strictly on field stuff as well because I don't look into their backgrounds at all.

I get why you prefer Burden.

I'd add, I wasn't necessarily advocating for him in the 1st, either. Just if he fell to the 2nd. If we've moved down from 4, or up from 38, I think it has to be for an LT in that range. If we addressed OT 1st, then I was just thinking out loud about his upside.