PATRIOTS NEWS Jerod Mayo FIRED per Schefter

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[signbabybrady]

They hate their owner lol

 

[Steve102]

I beginning to think the Krafts wanted the #1 overall more than the Fans.

Quite possibly. We've all talked about the possible bounty they could have gotten. Even in a down draft year, #1 is still #1. Someone would have given them a Patriot friendly deal. Now, they really have to take the BPA at #4, or trade down a little and get a little bit back. I am sure they discussed this in the offices, even if Mayo was not part of the conversation.

 

[archstanton543]

So they wanted him out of the building as soon as he eff'd them out of the #1 pick.

 

[ViperGTS]

So I guess Ben Johnson has accepted and interview with the Patriots so that tells me that...drumroll..guys around the league really think there is something with Maye. He will not interview with the Jets who requested him as well.

 

[Simpelton]

Yes but the problem is Year 1 was so bad it did not imbue confidence in Year 2.

We all know the roster is brutal - except for QB, CB and handful of position players and STers. Need a coach with a plan and discipline to make it work.

No, you need a roster that can be made to work.

No matter what, with the roster this bad, you weren't winning 10 games and making the playoffs and at that point, what the hell does it matter how much you win?

No amount of discipline and leadership can squeeze blood from a turnip. Put the LinkedIn buzzwords away and remember that all these guys are human with human limitations. This roster is what it is, and if you feel like Mayo didn't make the most of what we had to work with -- well, we disagree.

And again -- 4 wins is probably better than most peoples' week 1 projections for this team, The only reason the fans turned on Mayo is that we've forgotten how messy and ugly a rebuild can be when it's in the middle of the process.

Mayo got the team as far as the resources he was given allowed. He did his job. A new coach will not fix this train wreck.

 

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@Pape @RobertWeathers

What if...

The timeline was that Kraft didn't want to lose Mayo so he penned that ridiculous contract, naming Mayo Bill's successor, and then Bill the GM failed Bill the Coach sooner than expected, so Mayo was promoted early. Meanwhile, Vrabel becomes available, and Kraft essentially goes "oh ****" and is that distracted guy meme, calls Mike. He tells RKK he wants to take the year off. Mayo is named, but the commitment is meh at best. Rumblings about misgivings early on last summer/early fall, spent very little money in free agency, couldn't fill out a staff with great guys because, essentially, no one wanted to hitch their wagon to a rookie coach with no experience and no network of associates. Kraft watched for signs of growth, and then when he didn't see it after the Chargers game and the Tavai mess (which was supposed to be Mayo's strong suit, the relationship thing), they pulled the ripcord because the guy they wanted is there flirting with the Jets. Remember, they wanted to hire Bill before Pete Carroll and didn't because the timing was wrong with the Parcells mess. So Vrabel does this visit thing just to communicate via the back channels or the media or whatever, basically sending the "don't eff this up" message.

I guess we will wait and see what happens. Seems plausible to me.

I do not like how this was handled from the get go. Obviously the Krafts thought BB would be here for at least another year (2024) and quite possibly a total of 3 more seasons in the pursuit of Shula. I believe Jonathans growing influence in the franchise was the root cause of Belichick being fired sooner than projected. In the interim, they flinched. There was a wee bit of panic among the Krafts a year or two earlier because of the attention Mayo was getting from outside the team. They over estimated his value, failing to realize that he was now just considered another Rooney Rule candidate given his resume and lack of tenure as a coach. In a move that baffles the mind, they gave him, a position coach with no leverage, the succession clause.

The successor clause was ruinous on multiple levels. First, if you want to develop a successor to a current head coach, the current head coach needs to be on board with it. It poisoned the well. There is no way Belichick was on board with Mayo being his designated successor, not when he had two of his sons on the staff. The Krafts caused an unnecessary rift in the coaching staff. They slowly stripped power away from BB, adding to it. There was the whole dog and pony show at the draft... "everyone on board?" just ugh. This rift was further widened by them forcing BoB into the role of OC. While O'Brien and Belichick was a pairing that worked in the past, I can see that power play rankling Belichick; it caused even more dissension in the coaching ranks. When the stuff the came out - the dysfunction of guys not talking to each other, coaches not talking to coaches, coaches not talking to players etc, bears this out in my mind... ymmv on that point.

The second aspect of the successor clause that just out ruined any chance of success (in wins or more importantly, growth) was Mayo himself. He was not ready in any way to take over the operations of the New England Patriots as the Head Coach. The Krafts should have approached him about buying out that clause last year. The didn't, rolled the dice, and we all lost. There are a myriad of facets that make up the duties of a head coach. Mayo wasn't ready for any of them. From walking back statements, to building a staff, to game planning, to making adjustments (how many times did we see Mayo talking to a position group this year? I dont think I can remember that happening one time). Mayo just flat out did not possess the knowledge of how to run an entire team. This should not have been a surprise to anyone.

I think Robert Kraft regretted that succession clause the second Amy Strunk fired Mike Vrabel last year. But by then it was too late. Mayo was already the heir apparent, anointed by Thunder's own words about just how special he was.

 

[Thelonious]

I beginning to think the Krafts wanted the #1 overall more than the Fans.

Then they should (and could) have done something about it. The underlying issue, I think, is that Robert no longer has what it takes to do his job as owner. He's past it. It is time for Johnathan to take the lead, which might be a difficult and painful. I say this with no glee. I'm retired: I retired when I felt I was no longer able to do my job, at which I was excellent, to my own standards. That the ethical thing to do, and I hope Robert can get to that decision without too much pain. It comes to everyone, after all.

Hopefully Johnathan will have what it takes. In the meantime, and perhaps beyond, they need a strong, capable HC/GM duo who can run the football team. The Krafts themselves have acknowledged they do not have the skills or background to do so. So hire strong people. let them work, and if they fail, fire them and try again. There is no other way, certainly not Curran's Overseer ********. Adding a layer of bureaucracy NEVER works. That's the government way, and we see what a perpetual ****show government is.

 

[RobertWeathers]

No, you need a roster that can be made to work.

No matter what, with the roster this bad, you weren't winning 10 games and making the playoffs and at that point, what the hell does it matter how much you win? No amount of discipline can squeeze blood from a turnip.

And again -- 4 wins is probably better than most peoples' week 1 projections for this team, The only reason the fans turned on Mayo is that we've forgotten how messy and ugly a rebuild can be when it's in the middle of the process. Mayo got the team as far as the resources he was given allowed. A new coach will not fix this train wreck.

Disagree. You need leadership and vision to build a roster and a culture. You can acquire all the talent in the world but if the coach and GM suck you will lose.

Mayo was sacked because of his on/off the field incompetence. If they won 4 games but the team was a tight operation and he was cogent he'd still be here

 

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[archstanton543]

The Krafts caused an unnecessary rift in the coaching staff. They slowly stripped power away from BB, adding to it. There was the whole dog and pony show at the draft... "everyone on board?" just ugh. This rift was further widened by them forcing BoB into the role of OC.

He still had the final say. He could have not drafted Mac Jones if he wanted to.

 

[Pape]

He still had the final say. He could have not drafted Mac Jones if he wanted to.

way to miss the ****ing point.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Then they should (and could) have done something about it. The underlying issue, I think, is that Robert no longer has what it takes to do his job as owner. He's past it. It is time for Johnathan to take the lead, which might be a difficult and painful. I say this with no glee. I'm retired: I retired when I felt I was no longer able to do my job, at which I was excellent, to my own standards. That the ethical thing to do, and I hope Robert can get to that decision without too much pain. It comes to everyone, after all.

Hopefully Johnathan will have what it takes. In the meantime, and perhaps beyond, they need a strong, capable HC/GM duo who can run the football team. The Krafts themselves have acknowledged they do not have the skills or background to do so. So hire strong people. let them work, and if they fail, fire them and try again. There is no other way, certainly not Curran's Overseer ********. Adding a layer of bureaucracy NEVER works. That's the government way, and we see what a perpetual ****show government is.

The bureaucracy that Curran implies is the Krafts are not astute enough to run the football operation and need a CEO-type with a football brain to do it. Think a Howie Roseman, John Elway, Carmen Policy type.

 

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@archstanton543

You completely miss the point. Its not about Mac Jones. Its not about him still having "final say". It was about the erosion of Belichicks powerbase. It was about the Krafts forcing him into a situation where he had to acknowledge a more "collaborative effort".

Belichick eating crow. Thats the point.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I do not like how this was handled from the get go. Obviously the Krafts thought BB would be here for at least another year (2024) and quite possibly a total of 3 more seasons in the pursuit of Shula. I believe Jonathans growing influence in the franchise was the root cause of Belichick being fired sooner than projected. In the interim, they flinched. There was a wee bit of panic among the Krafts a year or two earlier because of the attention Mayo was getting from outside the team. They over estimated his value, failing to realize that he was now just considered another Rooney Rule candidate given his resume and lack of tenure as a coach. In a move that baffles the mind, they gave him, a position coach with no leverage, the succession clause.

The successor clause was ruinous on multiple levels. First, if you want to develop a successor to a current head coach, the current head coach needs to be on board with it. It poisoned the well. There is no way Belichick was on board with Mayo being his designated successor, not when he had two of his sons on the staff. The Krafts caused an unnecessary rift in the coaching staff. They slowly stripped power away from BB, adding to it. There was the whole dog and pony show at the draft... "everyone on board?" just ugh. This rift was further widened by them forcing BoB into the role of OC. While O'Brien and Belichick was a pairing that worked in the past, I can see that power play rankling Belichick; it caused even more dissension in the coaching ranks. When the stuff the came out - the dysfunction of guys not talking to each other, coaches not talking to coaches, coaches not talking to players etc, bears this out in my mind... ymmv on that point.

The second aspect of the successor clause that just out ruined any chance of success (in wins or more importantly, growth) was Mayo himself. He was not ready in any way to take over the operations of the New England Patriots as the Head Coach. The Krafts should have approached him about buying out that clause last year. The didn't, rolled the dice, and we all lost. There are a myriad of facets that make up the duties of a head coach. Mayo wasn't ready for any of them. From walking back statements, to building a staff, to game planning, to making adjustments (how many times did we see Mayo talking to a position group this year? I dont think I can remember that happening one time). Mayo just flat out did not possess the knowledge of how to run an entire team. This should not have been a surprise to anyone.

I think Robert Kraft regretted that succession clause the second Amy Strunk fired Mike Vrabel last year. But by then it was too late. Mayo was already the heir apparent, anointed by Thunder's own words about just how special he was.

My gut tells me Bob doesn't think Jonathan can handle running the team. I question it as well...hes too short-tempered and emotional.

 

[Pape]

My gut tells me Bob doesn't think Jonathan can handle running the team. I question it as well...hes too short-tempered and emotional.

I have to say, I agree with you.

But, there is no one else. Daniel Kraft isn't going to suddenly appear the the right hand of his father next year.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I have to say, I agree with you.

But, there is no one else. Daniel Kraft isn't going to suddenly appear the the right hand of his father next year.

Yep. Part if it is Bob's ego and how ownership gives him relevance in the sporting world and with celebrities.

Deferring that to Jonathan is something he clearly is not ready to do (whatever the reason is..)

 

[signbabybrady]

Sounds like he's going to give it a try next year so that's some added comp at center.