Pats front office at the deadline

[Real fan 02]

They were the best at it for a long time I would welcome McDaniels back as a OC. Dude made Mac Jones pla like a Pro Bowler.

I would too. I'll take McDaniels back ASAP. I just can't give this coaching staff any more passes. I don't see any adjustments every part of the offense sucks except Drake.

 

[VJCPatriot]

I am really feeling B Johnson and K Kingsbury I hope the Krafts have the same inclinations. They would be fools to pass on either, they would help Drake Maye reach his ceiling. AVP will Never be the answer.

Kingsbury would be a good get to mentor Drake Maye. He's a former QB and knows how to tailor offenses to make the QB life easier.

AVP is mediocre at best. He's an upgrade from Matt Patricia who should never have flipped from defense to offense, but he's never set the world on fire either.

We can definitely upgrade at OC, OL, and WR. It would make a world of difference for Drake Maye to:
1. learn a good offensive system,
2. not have to run for his life and,
3. actually get a reliable downfield target for throws.

 

[Patriot Missile]

One for the ages. They crushed it

 

[TheRainMaker]

No reason to trade for anyone.

They just to do way better than how they did last off-season. That was straight the worst GM'ing I've seen from the Pats since the late 90's.

 

[lancerman]

Yo Tard, 4 years is up and its time to pay youre snowflake axx with interest.

Ita all good and give a shout out to yo ***** Maust for me.

Sorry we didn't bet this year, but I don't pay people who cheat like you anyways.

Also you don't get to be a massive ****y for four years and cry like you have no stones between your legs when this gets brought up and then act like badass now. You still a ***** bro.

 

[signbabybrady]

Problem with giving up on AVP is that if we truly want one of the good offensive coordinators on another team we are going to have to fire both Mayo and AVP.

Then you hire the OC as your HC and he needs to find his own OC.

Not a terrible plan I just don't see Kraft doing that yet.

Unfortunately I think the more likely plan is to spend in free agency but leave the coaches alone. Then next year if AVP is struggling again they probably fire him mid season and use Macadoo.

And something else that doesn't get mentioned enough we all jump down AVPs throat but Covington deserves as much guff if not more.

 

[UGAPatsfan]

Problem with giving up on AVP is that if we truly want one of the good offensive coordinators on another team we are going to have to fire both Mayo and AVP.

Then you hire the OC as your HC and he needs to find his own OC.

Not a terrible plan I just don't see Kraft doing that yet.

Unfortunately I think the more likely plan is to spend in free agency but leave the coaches alone. Then next year if AVP is struggling again they probably fire him mid season and use Macadoo.

And something else that doesn't get mentioned enough we all jump down AVPs throat but Covington deserves as much guff if not more.

100% Covington has been trash.

 

[Real fan 02]

Problem with giving up on AVP is that if we truly want one of the good offensive coordinators on another team we are going to have to fire both Mayo and AVP.

Then you hire the OC as your HC and he needs to find his own OC.

Not a terrible plan I just don't see Kraft doing that yet.

Unfortunately I think the more likely plan is to spend in free agency but leave the coaches alone. Then next year if AVP is struggling again they probably fire him mid season and use Macadoo.

And something else that doesn't get mentioned enough we all jump down AVPs throat but Covington deserves as much guff if not more.

That's just it. I believe every one on defense are all Mayo's guys. The defense is running the same defense as Bill ran. Difference is they don't have the horses.. the 1st and 2nd string guys are all on IR or playing in roles where they aren't accustomed too. Pelligrino, Belichick, , covington of course were all part of bills regime on defense. They can coach them up all they want they just don't have the team speed in the front 7 or the containment in the Interior to stop the run with consistency.

 

[captain stone]

100% Covington has been trash.

Yep… No surprise really, when one considers that in Little Bill’s fantasy world, college (& very briefly pro) Safeties are allowed to coach RBs; and small-college WRs are allowed to coach Defensive Lineman & to become Defensive Coordinators… But hey a good coach is a good coach is a good coach amirite?

#FireThemAllBobby

 

[Real fan 02]

Yep… No surprise really, when one considers that in Little Bill’s fantasy world, college (& very briefly pro) Safeties are allowed to coach RBs; and small-college WRs are allowed to coach Defensive Lineman & to become Defensive Coordinators… But hey a good coach is a good coach is a good coach amirite?

Yep! I've mentioned this plenty the last few seasons hence.. why Patricia was coaching the offense.. that ideology I'll never being to fathom unless of course you think 1950s football is being played in 2024.

 

[signbabybrady]

That's just it. I believe every one on defense are all Mayo's guys. The defense is running the same defense as Bill ran. Difference is they don't have the horses.. the 1st and 2nd string guys are all on IR or playing in roles where they aren't accustomed too. Pelligrino, Belichick, , covington of course were all part of bills regime on defense. They can coach them up all they want they just don't have the team speed in the front 7 or the containment in the Interior to stop the run with consistency.

That's why my off-season plan would be to add proven Vets at WR and OL and go hard in the draft for defensive talent because if we can combine some draft hits with Barmore and Bentley coming back we could have a good D again.

 

[signbabybrady]

Yep… No surprise really, when one considers that in Little Bill’s fantasy world, college (& very briefly pro) Safeties are allowed to coach RBs; and small-college WRs are allowed to coach Defensive Lineman & to become Defensive Coordinators… But hey a good coach is a good coach is a good coach amirite?

#FireThemAllBobby

In what world is Bill to blame for Covington? He was a good position coach who got promoted way before he should. Kind of like our HC. That pattern is not on Bill he made his guys prove themselves typically with a year or two as unnamed promotions before officially giving it to them.

 

[Real fan 02]

That's why my off-season plan would be to add proven Vets at WR and OL and go hard in the draft for defensive talent because if we can combine some draft hits with Barmore and Bentley coming back we could have a good D again.

Great plan. I like that. I'm not giving up on polk and baker too. They will be fine NFL players for Drake as he continues to ascend. But yes.. with Bentley, Barmore and peppers as well as Dugger makes us a much better unit as a whole. We just need to speed on the edges and the interior and I believe we stand to be a far better unit next season.

 

[Real fan 02]

In what world is Bill to blame for Covington? He was a good position coach who got promoted way before he should. Kind of like our HC. That pattern is not on Bill he made his guys prove themselves typically with a year or two as unnamed promotions before officially giving it to them.

Every HC has thier own style... Mayo's already knee deep in this.. I'm sure he knows where he's made mistakes and knows that in order for him to become a good coach he needs to learn and understand what's effective and what's not. I have no doubt Mayo's a great Xs and Os guy.. however being a position coach and being a HC is far different territory. He's got the longest rope of everyone including wolf so if things don't look up starting in September 2025 then I'd say start the clock on him.

 

[Stu Pidassle]

Problem with giving up on AVP is that if we truly want one of the good offensive coordinators on another team we are going to have to fire both Mayo and AVP.

Then you hire the OC as your HC and he needs to find his own OC.

Not a terrible plan I just don't see Kraft doing that yet.

Unfortunately I think the more likely plan is to spend in free agency but leave the coaches alone. Then next year if AVP is struggling again they probably fire him mid season and use Macadoo.

And something else that doesn't get mentioned enough we all jump down AVPs throat but Covington deserves as much guff if not more.

I agree that the only way to hire a rising star that is currently an OC on another team is to bring him in as HC. The idea of finding an emerging offensive mind and bringing them in as OC would be very risky with an inexperienced HC. The only option that keeps Mayo as HC is to find a fallen angel that needs to resurrect their career with a couple of good years as an OC. If Brian Daboll gets fired by the Giants he would fit that bill. Too much baggage with JMD for that to work here. BB's shadow is already too long in Foxboro as demonstrated by Wolf and Mayo trying to prove that they are the Anti-BB in their respective roles and RKK's rhetoric. JMD would complicate the situation and delay the closure this organization so desperately needs.

 

[Stu Pidassle]

Every HC has thier own style... Mayo's already knee deep in this.. I'm sure he knows where he's made mistakes and knows that in order for him to become a good coach he needs to learn and understand what's effective and what's not. I have no doubt Mayo's a great Xs and Os guy.. however being a position coach and being a HC is far different territory. He's got the longest rope of everyone including wolf so if things don't look up starting in September 2025 then I'd say start the clock on him.

I agree that Mayo is in the process of trying to figure out what it takes to be an NFL coach. Based on the team reacted to softgate, I feel his strength is his ability to communicate and lead the players. I also like the fact that he hasn't gone into a defensive shell despite the well deserved criticism that he has received. His sideline behaviour indicates that he is not involved in the X's and O's which means that he needs better coordinators to be successful.

 

[Real fan 02]

I agree that Mayo is in the process of trying to figure out what it takes to be an NFL coach. Based on the team reacted to softgate, I feel his strength is his ability to communicate and lead the players. I also like the fact that he hasn't gone into a defensive shell despite the well deserved criticism that he has received. His sideline behaviour indicates that he is not involved in the X's and O's which means that he needs better coordinators to be successful.

I agree there. I think that he stays by himself on the sidelines is as he says he's listening to the communication from.his coaches and allowing them to make calls. I have to commend him though he does take mental notes well of every facet of his teams performances. He grow and I fully expect this team to be a far different roster come September 2025 with Drake at the helm.

 

[Real fan 02]

I agree that the only way to hire a rising star that is currently and OC on another team is to bring him in as HC. The idea of finding an emerging offensive mind and bringing them in as OC would be very risky with an inexperienced HC. The only option that keeps Mayo as HC is to find a fallen angel that needs to resurrect their career with a couple of good years as an OC. If Brian Daboll gets fired by the Giants he would fit that bill. Too much baggage with JMD for that to work here. BB's shadow is already too long in Foxboro as demonstrated by Wolf and Mayo trying to prove that they are the Anti-BB in their respective roles and RKK's rhetoric. JMD would complicate the situation and delay the closure this organization so desperately needs.

I had mentioned this earlier in the season regarding the current coaching roster. Macadoo is from what I heard like and Assistant to Mayo and Slater in that role as well. I don't think I've heard Macadoo speak to the media at all since he came here. Dabol is the guy I want as OC. I believe he could be excellent for Drake.

 

[mgteich]

I think I'd rather see the Sow at RG & Onemenu at RT than Onemenu at RG & Jacobs at RT, even after acknowledging that Onemenu is a clearly superior RG than RT.

If we are going to develop one of the two, I choose Jacobs rather than Sow. I doubt that Sow will be on the 53 next year. Onwenu, Strange, Robinson and Jordan will keep him off the 53. Of course, I hope an addition does that.

 

[mgteich]

Yup, we will continue the list of folks we want at OC and hope that we offer them the job, they take it, and that we add enough personnel to make success possible.

Drawing to an inside straight comes to mind.