Belichick remarks on Mayo's "soft" comments on Pat McAfee Show - "They're not soft"

[sb1]

There's no doubt Bill did a terrible job between 2020-2023. I won't be able to convince you otherwise, but, Payton is a good comp of going on a stretch of only making the playoffs once in four years with no playoff victories, and 3 straight years not making the playoffs WITH Drew Brees at QB. It was also just brought to our attention that he actually had full player control as well, but wasn't fired. Starting in 2017, he hits on the drafts which ignited their last run of relevance. How does Payton get a longer leash with Drew Brees than Bill without Tom Brady?

Payton rebuilt the team twice. They finished 7-9 3 seasons in a row while rebuilding. They weren’t deteriorating like the Patriots were in the last few seasons under Bill. To answer that question I’d guess at least he had a plan. I’m not sure what our plan was since Brady left.

 

[signbabybrady]

Payton rebuilt the team twice. They finished 7-9 3 seasons in a row while rebuilding. They weren’t deteriorating like the Patriots were in the last few seasons under Bill. To answer that question I’d guess at least he had a plan. I’m not sure what our plan was since Brady left.

How many times did Bill rebuild on the fly?

It wasn't just 7-9 3 times. There was also the year he was suspended that also was 7-9 so there was a 4 out of 5 year span with a suspension included.

Bill's last 5 included 2 playoff appearances. You'd think the extra 5 trophies might get him a little more leeway with his ownership and certainly with fans.

I'll never understand why you guys bend over backwards to make things fit your hating narrative.

 

[sb1]

How many times did Bill rebuild on the fly?

It wasn't just 7-9 3 times. There was also the year he was suspended that also was 7-9 so there was a 4 out of 5 year span with a suspension included.

Bill's last 5 included 2 playoff appearances. You'd think the extra 5 trophies might get him a little more leeway with his ownership and certainly with fans.

I'll never understand why you guys bend over backwards to make things fit your hating narrative.

I hope you’re not calling 2020-23 a rebuild.

A coaching job isn’t a lifetime achievement or tenure award. The red and yellow jackets are for that. It was time to move on.

 

[signbabybrady]

I hope you’re not calling 2020-23 a rebuild.

A coaching job isn’t a lifetime achievement or tenure award. The red and yellow jackets are for that. It was time to move on.

You brought up Payton was rebuilding I was just pointing out Bill did it a few times while on the fly during the run too.

I think it's funny that something comparable gets brought up and you do the same old thing you always do you twist and ignore things to make it serve your anti Bill bias.

Bottom line a one time SB champ went thru a very difficult 5 year span and didn't get fired when a 6 time SB champ did. Not to mention what happened if you go 6 years back. You can choose to do what you want with that info but it only goes to show your true colors further.

 

[Clonamery]

Let me guess, you loved N’Keal Harry.

You’re like a guy alone in a closet who farts badly and keeps repeating, he who smelt it, dealt it.

No duh.

You’re like a guy with 150 overdue library books and you show up every week to return one classic. Today’s was One Flew Over The ****oo’s Nest and you tell the Librarian, the movie was better.

No duh.

 

[Huckleberry1]

You’re like a guy alone in a closet who farts badly and keeps repeating, he who smelt it, dealt it.

No duh.

You’re like a guy with 150 overdue library books and you show up every week to return one classic. Today’s was One Flew Over The ****oo’s Nest and you tell the Librarian, the movie was better.

No duh.

Wow, that’s some really clever stuff. Really impressive.

 

[sb1]

You brought up Payton was rebuilding I was just pointing out Bill did it a few times while on the fly during the run too.

When? Sure he reloaded a few times but a total rebuild? No he never did that. In 2000 the team already had a good young foundation on defense drafted by Parcells. In 2020 he tried to retool to stay competitive. That wasn’t a rebuild either.

I think it's funny that something comparable gets brought up and you do the same old thing you always do you twist and ignore things to make it serve your anti Bill bias.

“Anti-Bill bias”

Bottom line a one time SB champ went thru a very difficult 5 year span and didn't get fired when a 6 time SB champ did.

A 6 time SB champ got fired because the team deteriorated fast under his watch. I also would have thanked him for everything as I was showing him the door.

Not to mention what happened if you go 6 years back. You can choose to do what you want with that info but it only goes to show your true colors further.

Unrelated to this but I think isn’t discussed enough how underrated pizza is for breakfast.

 

[signbabybrady]

When? Sure he reloaded a few times but a total rebuild? No he never did that. In 2000 the team already had a good young foundation on defense drafted by Parcells. In 2020 he tried to retool to stay competitive. That wasn’t a rebuild either.

I'm sorry you're right Bill never rebuilt anything on the fly the roster was the exact same the entire time.

Again other than just spitting out lip service your ability to never credit Bill for anything is extremely transparent.

 

[sb1]

I'm sorry you're right Bill never rebuilt anything on the fly the roster was the exact same the entire time.

This tells me you don't really understand what a rebuild is.

Rebuilding teams make moves like this:
- Firing their GM because the team is about to take a different direction
- Trade Judon for draft picks
- Trade Uche for draft picks
- Flush the QB room out and start over.
- Playing youth as much as possible and evaluating what you have in a live game
- Send underperforming guys packing

This is NOT rebuilding
- Anytime when you have the GOAT QB
- Trading a 2nd round pick for Sanu
- Trading a draft pick for Fat Albert
- Franchising Thuney for no reason instead of trading him or letting him walk for the comp pick
- Not trading an aging Gilmore at his peak value for draft picks
- Overpaying a bunch of aging and mediocre stop gap vets instead of playing kids
- Playing Cam Newton in meaningless games to chase some coaching wins record that doesn't mean a lot

I'm not saying these were bad moves, but these moves are not what rebuilding teams do. Shouldn't be hard to compare what the Pats are doing now vs what they did then.

Retooling (which Bill did quite a bit) is not even close to the same as rebuilding.

Again other than just spitting out lip service your ability to never credit Bill for anything is extremely transparent.

"never"

 

[signbabybrady]

This tells me you don't really understand what a rebuild is.

Rebuilding teams make moves like this:
- Firing their GM because the team is about to take a different direction
- Trade Judon for draft picks
- Trade Uche for draft picks
- Flush the QB room out and start over.
- Send underperforming guys packing

This is NOT rebuilding
- Anytime when you have the GOAT QB
- Trading a 2nd round pick for Sanu
- Trading a draft pick for Fat Albert
- Franchising Thuney for no reason instead of trading him or letting him walk for the comp pick
- Not trading an aging Gilmore at his peak value for draft picks
- Overpaying a bunch of aging and mediocre stop gap vets instead of playing kids
- Playing Cam Newton in meaningless games to chase some coaching wins record that doesn't mean a lot

I'm not saying these were bad moves, but these moves are not what rebuilding teams do. Shouldn't be hard to compare what the Pats are doing now vs what they did then.

Retooling (which Bill did quite a bit) is not even close to the same as rebuilding.


"never"

So by your definition you're good with firing the GOAT without even letting him do one rebuild.

 

[sb1]

So by your definition you're good with firing the GOAT without even letting him do one rebuild.

You know he's 73 years old and rebuilds can take years right? And who says Bill wasn't perfectly ok himself with the team moving on?

Bill had his chance to blow it all up and rebuild the day Brady said he wasn't coming back. Maybe the rebuild would be done and we'd be back in contention this season. Instead he tried to retool and stay competitive as long as possible. Not saying that was a good or bad approach but let's not pretend he never got a chance.

 

[signbabybrady]

You know he's 73 years old and rebuilds can take years right? And who says Bill wasn't perfectly ok himself with the team moving on?

Bill had his chance to blow it all up and rebuild the day Brady said he wasn't coming back. Maybe the rebuild would be done and we'd be back in contention this season. Instead he tried to retool and stay competitive as long as possible. Not saying that was a good or bad approach but let's not pretend he never got a chance.

I'm just going by your definition.

 

[sb1]

I'm just going by your definition.

Sure but if that was me I start a real rebuild the day Brady leaves. It was the perfect season to start it all. If they suck who cares nobody was attending games anyway and many of us were paying a bit of attention to Brady tearing it up in Tampa.

Parcells created the foundation for Dynasty 1.0. He was a builder. I can't see Bill as a builder and maybe that played in to his decision to not blow it up after Brady left.

 

[signbabybrady]

Sure but if that was me I start a real rebuild the day Brady leaves. It was the perfect season to start it all. If they suck who cares nobody was attending games anyway and many of us were paying a bit of attention to Brady tearing it up in Tampa.

Parcells created the foundation for Dynasty 1.0. He was a builder. I can't see Bill as a builder and maybe that played in to his decision to not blow it up after Brady left.

Parcells wasn't the GM and left specifically because he wasn't allowed to shop for the groceries.

Just more twisting of facts to give credit to anyone but BB while simultaneously trying to discredit BB.

It seems more and more with every post you further prove yourself to be a troll.

 

[sb1]

Parcells wasn't the GM

You sure about that?

Just more twisting of facts to give credit to anyone but BB while simultaneously trying to discredit BB.

Oh right, BB drafted Ty Law, Lawyer Milloy, Curtis Martin, Ted Johnson, Tedy Bruschi and signed Adam Vinatieri while not being on the team. Wow! That's impressive.

Without Parcells, there is no BB 6 time Super Bowl winning coach. Period.

"discrediting BB"

It seems more and more with every post you further prove yourself to be a troll.

Pizza...yes a yummy breakfast. Try it!

 

[signbabybrady]

You sure about that?



Oh right, BB drafted Ty Law, Lawyer Milloy, Curtis Martin, Ted Johnson, Tedy Bruschi and signed Adam Vinatieri while not being on the team. Wow! That's impressive.

Without Parcells, there is no BB 6 time Super Bowl winning coach. Period.

"discrediting BB"

Pizza...yes a yummy breakfast. Try it!

 

[sb1]

That's what usually happens when the owner meddles directly with football decisions. Interesting how that stopped when BB arrived and they started winning championships.

 

[Clonamery]

Wow, that’s some really clever stuff. Really impressive.

No duh.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Payton rebuilt the team twice. They finished 7-9 3 seasons in a row while rebuilding. They weren’t deteriorating like the Patriots were in the last few seasons under Bill. To answer that question I’d guess at least he had a plan. I’m not sure what our plan was since Brady left.

I'm confused at how you are still giving Payton a pass over Bill. Bill never had a losing season with Tom as his QB. And as we all know, there were really rough seasons where the offense or defense (mostly) was a problem, yet they still finished no worse than 10-6 with 9-7 being the worst in 2002. Payton had 3 consecutive losing season with Brees and a combo of players such as: Mark Ingram, Brandin Cooks, Marques Colston, Michael Thomas, Jimmy Graham, solid OL, Cameron Jordan, Akiem Hicks.

Bill without Tom and another other players worth mentioning starting in 2020 went 7-9, 10-7, 8-9. Bill averaged more wins in those 3 with 8 or even 7.25 if you count the fourth season than Payton with the players above.

 

[sb1]

I'm confused at how you are still giving Payton a pass over Bill. Bill never had a losing season with Tom as his QB. And as we all know, there were really rough seasons where the offense or defense (mostly) was a problem, yet they still finished no worse than 10-6 with 9-7 being the worst in 2002. Payton had 3 consecutive losing season with Brees and a combo of players such as: Mark Ingram, Brandin Cooks, Marques Colston, Michael Thomas, Jimmy Graham, solid OL, Cameron Jordan, Akiem Hicks.

Bill without Tom and another other players worth mentioning starting in 2020 went 7-9, 10-7, 8-9. Bill averaged more wins in those 3 with 8 or even 7.25 if you count the fourth season than Payton with the players above.

But they still didn't completely crash and burn like the Pats did. Payton is also a lot younger than Bill


This chart shows a negative point differential 2 seasons out of 3 in that 3 year gap in the middle. The offensive points numbers there look fine, the defense was really bad - I mean almost 30 points allowed a game in 2015... doubtful even Brady could overcome that. I don't follow them closely enough to know why that happened but point remains this was not a deteriorating team where the Pats after Brady were.