Patriots Pregame Thread Week 4 discussion: Pats @ Niners

[archstanton543]

Mail it in == lose your job. In a league with short carreers and a lifetime of millions to make, they don't typically mail in games accept maybe week 17 with a coach on the way out. And even then, typically not.

Trent Brown's been mailing it in for a long time and he still has a job.

 

[mgteich]

I agree. If with stranger and Sow coming back could make us look like a practice squad O line even would be a upgrade.

Even ignoring the stats, the OL will improve with Strange-Sow replacing Jordan-Robinson as starters.

We await Lowe coming back for us to improve at OT.

Andrews-Leverett are our centers until and unless Hudson passes Leverett in the depth chart. It is likely that the staff is working very hard on improving Leverett's techniques.
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The open question is how much improvement is necessary before we start Maye.

For me, we should start Maye as soon as Lowe is healthy enough to play, whether he starts, or Jacobs or Wallace.

 

[Real fan 02]

Even ignoring the stats, the OL will improve with Strange-Sow replacing Jordan-Robinson as starters.

We await Lowe coming back for us to improve at OT.

Andrews-Leverett are our centers until and unless Hudson passes Leverett in the depth chart. It is likely that the staff is working very hard on improving Leverett's techniques.
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The open question is how much improvement is necessary before we start Maye.

For me, we should start Maye as soon as Lowe is healthy enough to play, whether he starts, or Jacobs or Wallace.

Yes. Strange should be available after week 5.. so I'm guessing if Strange is a go and we have Lowe back.. should we start maye week 5?

 

[mgteich]

Yes. Strange should be available after week 5.. so I'm guessing if Strange is a go and we have Lowe back.. should we start maye week 5?

That has been my hope all along.

 

[signbabybrady]

Yes. Strange should be available after week 5.. so I'm guessing if Strange is a go and we have Lowe back.. should we start maye week 5?

I think the window actually opens after week 4.

 

[Sicilian]

I think the window actually opens after week 4.

Yeah, he's allowed to practice after week 4. I'd be surprised if he's ready to play in the Miami game after almost a year away, but he's eligible at least. Once he starts practicing, they have three weeks to add him to the 53 or place him on season-ending IR.

 

[Real fan 02]

I think the window actually opens after week 4.

So do you anticipate strangers back by week 5? Or is that just the window for his potential availability?

 

[signbabybrady]

So do you anticipate strangers back by week 5? Or is that just the window for his potential availability?

I thought based on him working on the lower fields during camp that he was close so I suspect they would start the practice window after week 4 they then would have 3 weeks for him to practice. He's been out a long time so he might need all 3 weeks but hopefully as soon as possible. Based on the state of the line I wouldn't rule anything out.

I think Bourne is in a similar spot. He was working on the lower fields too.

I forget where Takitaki stood because I wasn't as worried with LB at the time. But without Bentley we need him too.

 

[Real fan 02]

I thought based on him working on the lower fields during camp that he was close so I suspect they would start the practice window after week 4 they then would have 3 weeks for him to practice. He's been out a long time so he might need all 3 weeks but hopefully as soon as possible. Based on the state of the line I wouldn't rule anything out.

I think Bourne is in a similar spot. He was working on the lower fields too.

I forget where Takitaki stood because I wasn't as worried with LB at the time. But without Bentley we need him too.

Got it! Yes if Strange is ready to go then yes ASAP he is needed. I remember at the beginning of mini camp Mayo saying he was doing well and would be ready for TC.. so he must not have been all the way through the process... this injury happened last season right. Yeah I was hoping Takitaki would be in a role like sub rusher.. but now he'll be asked to play a bigger role.. I'd even take Mac Wilson back if he were available.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

506 Sports - NFL Maps: Week 4, 2024

Wow! I got lucky af this week with that random blue dot in southwestern pa. Maybe they know me

No Tom Brady for our game like some were hoping

 

[ViperGTS]

I feel like ths fan base, people in the organization and Mayo as well. All collectively know Maye is ready. Beer keeps saying maye will play. I say this.. strange is available after week 5.. Lowe is back at practice. Brissett putting up another 88 yards passing game will only justify the reason to play your talented 3rd overall pick. Maye is QB 2 for a reason.

Yeah but then you have Bedard whining that his footwork was ass again etc etc. He looked a bit rattled and took 2 sacks. I don't know who to trust on Mayes progress. Thats what sucks about not be able to see some of practice. Nobody knows.

 

[Real fan 02]

Yeah but then you have Bedard whining that his footwork was ass again etc etc. He looked a bit rattled and took 2 sacks. I don't know who to trust on Mayes progress. Thats what sucks about not be able to see some of practice. Nobody knows.

Bedard seems like he makes stuff up.. whenever I see him on 98.5.. when he's questioned he lashes out at people. Your right practice sessions aren't available to the media. One reputable reporter I'll say is great is Taylor Keyes. CLNS media.

 

[ViperGTS]

Bedard seems like he makes stuff up.. whenever I see him on 98.5.. when he's questioned he lashes out at people. Your right practice sessions aren't available to the media. One reputable reporter I'll say is great is Taylor Keyes. CLNS media.

Yeah I know that practices aren't available to the media but man, the broadcast guys get to watch a practice right? Why can't a local reporter or two do the same? Can't say crap about what they are doing but at least it would be interesting. Is Maybe out performing Brisket in practice by a country mile? I would actually hope he is at this point because if he isn't something is wrong.

 

[turkeyneck]

At the end of the day Week 3, Pats are still 10th best in points allowed. We'll see how it goes...

Unsustainable if the O won't let the D stay off the field for a blow.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Yeah but then you have Bedard whining that his footwork was ass again etc etc. He looked a bit rattled and took 2 sacks. I don't know who to trust on Mayes progress. Thats what sucks about not be able to see some of practice. Nobody knows.

I don’t doubt bedard there but the hope is the line can get healthier and looks more like the first 2 weeks than week 3. It still wasn’t very good but could be helped by a better qb. Plus id hope this is the last we see of layden as a full time rg until he cleans up the pass blocking

 

[Sicilian]

Bedard seems like he makes stuff up.. whenever I see him on 98.5.. when he's questioned he lashes out at people. Your right practice sessions aren't available to the media. One reputable reporter I'll say is great is Taylor Keyes. CLNS media.

I think Bedard does his homework, and certainly does more film study and analysis than most of the hosts he talks to (100% certainly when he's on Felger and Mazz). But at some point early in his career he got penned by some as THE authority on interpreting what we see on the field, and he's really not. There was this weird thing with him on Patsfans where if you had an opinion, but Bedard said otherwise, people would just drop that like it won the argument.

So while I appreciate the work he puts into his analysis, no one should listen to Bedard and think, "That's it. That's the only truth there can be, because Greg watched some film."

 

[Thelonious]

I was listening last night to Tom E Curran, whom I generally admire. He talked about Purdy "running all over the place with no purpose," as if that offered some hope for the Pats in the upcoming game. Utter horseshit, in my view. If you look at Purdy's numbers (as the redoubtable and hyper-responsible Phil Perry did), it's obvious that Purdy is doing great. I watched that game, and that was certainly my impression. To my eye, Purdy is in the top five among NFL qb's.

What does this have to do with the Pats' game? Only this: we are going to get clobbered, abused, wasted, razed to the ground and plowed under with salt. It's gonna be moidah I tell ya. If you watch the game, cover your eyes. Send the kids to their aunt's house.

The interesting question to me is, "What then?" I have supported the idea that not playing Maye has been the right approach, given what a **** show the O-line and WR rooms are. I have been not so much worried about Maye getting injured - though that is a legitimate concern - as that his development might be arrested playing behind such a lousy line, throwing to receivers who can't get open, and playing a style of offense outside his experience and arguably ill-suited to his skills under an OC who may or may not be up to the job.

I am beginning to wonder, though, whether after Sunday's bloodbath that will still be the right take, whether damage to the team as a whole, to its sense of itself, to the teams' development wrought by continuing failure with Jakoby at the helm might make starting Brisset a luxury we can no longer afford. Maybe it's time to set aside our concerns for Maye in favor of our concerns for the team as a whole.

 

[Jim Beankie]

Unsustainable if the O won't let the D stay off the field for a blow.

Some will see the glass as 92% empty. I see it more like it's 8% full of unicorns, show ponies, and beef.

 

[Thelonious]

I think Bedard does his homework, and certainly does more film study and analysis than most of the hosts he talks to (100% certainly when he's on Felger and Mazz). But at some point early in his career he got penned by some as THE authority on interpreting what we see on the field, and he's really not. There was this weird thing with him on Patsfans where if you had an opinion, but Bedard said otherwise, people would just drop that like it won the argument.

So while I appreciate the work he puts into his analysis, no one should listen to Bedard and think, "That's it. That's the only truth there can be, because Greg watched some film."

I too think Bedard does his research and that he is generally right in his takes. I'm not always aware of his thoughts though, because his podcast with Cattles (sp?) is so awful it's almost unwatchably creepy, and when he's on with Felger, he's on with...Felger.

 

[Sicilian]

I too think Bedard does his research and that he is generally right in his takes. I'm not always aware of his thoughts though, because his podcast with Cattles (sp?) is so awful it's almost unwatchably creepy, and when he's on with Felger, he's on with...Felger.

There are two kinds of podcasts/radio shows I can't stand: The ones where it's just one guy talking to himself, and the ones where there are two guys, but one's only job is to present questions for the other guy to monologue about. Bedard and Cattles are the latter. Cattles just says stuff like, "Greg, what do you think of X?" And then Bedard talks for 14 minutes and Nick says nothing.