Patriots Pregame Thread Week 4 discussion: Pats @ Niners

[Real fan 02]

In 2009, filming for A Football Life, BB complained that he couldn't get his players to play for him. That is the number one requirement for a coach and what we saw in Week One suggests that Mayo had that. Whether he can sustain it after a string of losses I don't know.

The defense, which was supposed to be the team's strength, given its personnel and how much money was spent on extending players, was a disappointment in Weeks 2 and 3. They seemed bamboozled by the hurry-up and quarterbacks moving outside the pocket.

It's certainly true that AVP's offense has been "vanilla". I'd have expected more inventive use of sweeps, motion, play-action, and so on, to try to disguise the limitations of the quarterback and O-line. And what's the point of having a veteran if he can't read defensive formations and change plays at the line?

It's too early to tell with Wolf, I think. Very few players come out of college "pro-ready" these days. Likewise the O-line coach, Peters, has a terrible situation to work with.

So, yes, I'll give them a chance too.

Good post. I'm not worried personally about Mayo loosing his players. They still play hard and believe I'm him. They know it wasn't going to be easy this season. But every rebuilding franchise needs to go through the growth movements.

I want the team to be competitive for a few reasons.

Need to show progress in setting the new regime, and moving into the Drake era.

Need to attract potential FAs to come to NE. I imagine guys aren't going want to endure the weather, bad traffic and a bad QB all together.

 

[Real fan 02]

Knowing his numbers are going in Reverse wouldn't surprise me if has a record 70yds passing on Sunday reach for the stars bullseyes.

I say when maye day takes over.. the league will be able to take note.. imagine next season tee Higgins, KB, Tyquan, Polk and pop, baker.. his WR corps.

 

[Real fan 02]

IF the Plan was to Sit Maye for a year you get a BETTER QB than Brissett. A lot of you are acting surprised with Brissett I could have told our Brass He Sucks his play or lack their of doesn't surprise me. AVP Needs to be questioned I see why the Browns moved on.

Brissett is a AVP QB.. he's probably all we could get. We probably couldn't get gardner Minshew.. out QB room was so bad last few seasons. Bow n arrow Brissett.

 

[mgteich]

Robinson sits as soon as Sow is healthy enough to replace him; and Wallace cannot - nay, Must Not - play Left Tackle for the Rest of the season.

Of course, the issue is that if Lowe is out, it is not at all clear who should be our starting and our backup LT.

I suspect that Wallace would start. I am not at all sure that we have any "better". Even if he doesn't start, Wallace would be the backup LEFT tackle.
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We all WANT Jacobs to be a starting LT. Of course, there is little reason to believe that he is any better than a future backup. He was an UDFA in 2023 who spent a year on the Practice Squad. This year he competed to be DEN's swing OT. He was beaten out by a 2024 UDFA.
Jacobs COULD have a future with us, or not. It is unlikely that he is hugely better than Wallace now, or even a better prospect to eventually be a starter for us.
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Personally, I'd like to see us start Wallace for a month at RT. However, I have little confidence that he is starter quality in 2024. I suspect that Onwenu will stay where he is while folks come back from injury and the lineup is wore stable.

Lowe-Strange/Sow-Andrews-Sow/Robinson-Onwenu seems to be the best that we have. When Lowe is injured, we only have very bad options. Even with Lowe and Onwenu at the tackles, we have poor options as backups on both sides.

 

[PatsFan2]

Of course, the issue is that if Lowe is out, it is not at all clear who should be our starting and our backup LT.

I suspect that Wallace would start. I am not at all sure that we have any "better". Even if he doesn't start, Wallace would be the backup LEFT tackle.
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We all WANT Jacobs to be a starting LT. Of course, there is little reason to believe that he is any better than a future backup. He was an UDFA in 2023 who spent a year on the Practice Squad. This year he competed to be DEN's swing OT. He was beaten out by a 2024 UDFA.
Jacobs COULD have a future with us, or not. It is unlikely that he is hugely better than Wallace now, or even a better prospect to eventually be a starter for us.
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Personally, I'd like to see us start Wallace for a month at RT. However, I have little confidence that he is starter quality in 2024. I suspect that Onwenu will stay where he is while folks come back from injury and the lineup is wore stable.

Lowe-Strange/Sow-Andrews-Sow/Robinson-Onwenu seems to be the best that we have. When Lowe is injured, we only have very bad options. Even with Lowe and Onwenu at the tackles, we have poor options as backups on both sides.

Onwenu is not a Good RT serviceable at that position shouldn't be getting the $$$$$ he's making.

 

[mgteich]

Onwenu is not a Good RT serviceable at that position shouldn't be getting the $$$$$ he's making.

Is this just another post about possible mistakes in the past?

We have the players we have, under their contracts.

The question is not who is overpaid and who should be working for Home Depot.

The question is where to play the players we have. Sure, we could play Onwenu at RG and have FOUR players competing to start at LG: Strange, Sow, Jordan and Robinson (PLUS backups Leverett and Thomas). That doesn't seem to be a reasonable use of resources.

 

[PatsFan2]

Is this just another post about possible mistakes in the past?

We have the players we have, under their contracts.

The question is not who is overpaid and who should be working for Home Depot.

The question is where to play the players we have. Sure, we could play Onwenu at RG and have FOUR players competing to start at LG: Strange, Sow, Jordan and Robinson (PLUS backups Leverett and Thomas). That doesn't seem to be a reasonable use of resources.

The Rookie GM mistake Wolf made was paying him like RT desperation move right there because No Real FA'a wanted to come to Taxachusetts.

 

[PatsFan2]

Is this just another post about possible mistakes in the past?

We have the players we have, under their contracts.

The question is not who is overpaid and who should be working for Home Depot.

The question is where to play the players we have. Sure, we could play Onwenu at RG and have FOUR players competing to start at LG: Strange, Sow, Jordan and Robinson (PLUS backups Leverett and Thomas). That doesn't seem to be a reasonable use of resources.

They are going have to sink or swim @ LT that said our OL for the rest of the year barring injuries should be...

Lowe - Sow - Andrews - Onwenu - Wallace.

IF Cole Strange finally gets' healthy I would try him @ LT that can't hurt.

 

[Stu Pidassle]

Even scar brother probably couldn't coach this collection of talent.. of all the BB left overs they had to keep these guys..

The whole team was a leftover, this years crisis is owned by the new leadership and another year of bad injuries. Basically Wolf chose to invest in QB and WR this year, including multiple attempts at adding top tier WR talent. As a result, the OL is not improved from last year. It boggles my mind why WR was a priority over OL in the draft, especially if the team was looking to bring in a high dollar WR that would force a young player to be released. Realistically things might not look much better if a couple of inexperienced second round draft choices were playing. At least Scar could help knowing that the next core of OL was being developed.

 

[PatsFan2]

The whole team was a leftover, this years crisis is owned by the new leadership and another year of bad injuries. Basically Wolf chose to invest in QB and WR this year, including multiple attempts at adding top tier WR talent. As a result, the OL is not improved from last year. It boggles my mind why WR was a priority over OL in the draft, especially if the team was looking to bring in a high dollar WR that would force a young player to be released. Realistically things might not look much better if a couple of inexperienced second round draft choices were playing. At least Scar could help knowing that the next core of OL was being developed.

J Polk was graded as a Second Rounder he wasn't a Reach. We NEEDED WR Talent Desperately I am not with the we should have taken a Tackle crowd I am strictly biased to WRs.

 

[Stu Pidassle]

J Polk was graded as a Second Rounder he wasn't a Reach. We NEEDED WR Talent Desperately I am not with the we should have taken a Tackle crowd I am strictly biased to WRs.

That is a valid perspective, clearly WR is also a place of need. I am not saying that Polk was a wasted pick, we just disagree on which position should have been the priority. Time will tell on how this works out.

 

[Real fan 02]

J Polk was graded as a Second Rounder he wasn't a Reach. We NEEDED WR Talent Desperately I am not with the we should have taken a Tackle crowd I am strictly biased to WRs.

Polk must be wondering why did I get drafted here.. My coach at Washington told me we would be taking a QB..

 

[upstater1]

The Rookie GM mistake Wolf made was paying him like RT desperation move right there because No Real FA'a wanted to come to Taxachusetts.

Oh please stop with this, the money is so small. I'll say it again, it's chicken feed. When we were competing for Aiyuk, there was barely any difference between Mass. and Pitt., and California is obviously more expensive.

 

[upstater1]

J Polk was graded as a Second Rounder he wasn't a Reach. We NEEDED WR Talent Desperately I am not with the we should have taken a Tackle crowd I am strictly biased to WRs.

But we had the 34th pick in the draft. That's a premium pick. That's not a 2nd and 3rd WR type of pick.

 

[Gumby]

FA 24 was the straw that broke our Offensive Camel's back nobody wanted to come here unless they were desperate. We basically resigned all our FA's some I wish we didn't.

You and most other posters complaining about the lack of trying in FA are forgetting how the rebuild plan was screwed by the nyJfl and over exaggerating the Taxachussets problem.

The league raised the cap unexpectedly by ?? (I forget $10 -20M ).

So, All of a sudden:
1. all those cuts that were going to be on the street; didn’t get cut/their teams had cap room instead of cap hell.
2. half the potential FAs could get extensions from their current team
3. the other half of FAs who did make it to the market were being dramatically overpaid their worth.

Result was The Pats walked into a rebuild year with a big checkbook in probably the worst FA market in 15 years.

So yeah they extended their own in some part as a fall back strategy. And yes; not having a big Gun-arm QB maybe scared off some WRs. But I don’t think it was as much of an issue w all the other positions. The fact is it was just a ****ty year to be bad and want to get better.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Onwenu is not a Good RT serviceable at that position shouldn't be getting the $$$$$ he's making.

The good news is that is essentially only a two year deal and he'll be kicked to the curb by year 3 of his contract.

The Rookie GM mistake Wolf made was paying him like RT desperation move right there because No Real FA'a wanted to come to Taxachusetts.

Unfortunately the Pats are being used for players to get more ammo to sign with teams they really want to go to. Hopkins did last season and Ridley/Aiyuk did it this season.

 

[Stu Pidassle]

You and most other posters complaining about the lack of trying in FA are forgetting how the rebuild plan was screwed by the nyJfl and over exaggerating the Taxachussets problem.

The league raised the cap unexpectedly by ?? (I forget $10 -20M ).

So, All of a sudden:
1. all those cuts that were going to be on the street; didn’t get cut/their teams had cap room instead of cap hell.
2. half the potential FAs could get extensions from their current team
3. the other half of FAs who did make it to the market were being dramatically overpaid their worth.

Result was The Pats walked into a rebuild year with a big checkbook in probably the worst FA market in 15 years.

So yeah they extended their own in some part as a fall back strategy. And yes; not having a big Gun-arm QB maybe scared off some WRs. But I don’t think it was as much of an issue w all the other positions. The fact is it was just a ****ty year to be bad and want to get better.

You are right about the impact of the cap increase. Making bets on how the salary cap will work is risky. It reminds me of the Bruins stripping their roster to the bare bones to create a lot of money for when the NHL introduced a cap only to have the league institute a 25% rollback to help the teams that were over the cap. Then result put the team out of the playoffs for a number of years.

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

Breer suggests signing a backup QB in case Brissett gets injured rather than playing Maye before the Pats think he's ready

If only we already had a veteran QB with starting experience and familiarity with the AVP system on the roster or PS. I seem to remember us having one. Just throw Milton out there, I guess.

 

[Jim Beankie]

In 2009, filming for A Football Life, BB complained that he couldn't get his players to play for him. That is the number one requirement for a coach and what we saw in Week One suggests that Mayo had that. Whether he can sustain it after a string of losses I don't know.

The defense, which was supposed to be the team's strength, given its personnel and how much money was spent on extending players, was a disappointment in Weeks 2 and 3. They seemed bamboozled by the hurry-up and quarterbacks moving outside the pocket.

It's certainly true that AVP's offense has been "vanilla". I'd have expected more inventive use of sweeps, motion, play-action, and so on, to try to disguise the limitations of the quarterback and O-line. And what's the point of having a veteran if he can't read defensive formations and change plays at the line?

It's too early to tell with Wolf, I think. Very few players come out of college "pro-ready" these days. Likewise the O-line coach, Peters, has a terrible situation to work with.

So, yes, I'll give them a chance too.

At the end of the day Week 3, Pats are still 10th best in points allowed. We'll see how it goes...

 

[sb1]

Some of their fans are calling this a get right game for the Pats

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