Mayo Made The Right Call, The Only Call - Brissett over Maye

[Real fan 02]

Interesting... I had not thought too much on the potential length of Mayo's tenure... I figure a minimum of at least three years...

So, imo, Mayo has a long leash right now... His fortunes are all tied to the front office - I think Coach is in a unique position, one that is difficult for me to define beyond "Coach". First and foremost - he is the hand picked successor to Belichick. That will grant him leeway because quite frankly I don't think RKK's ego will allow him to admit he made the wrong choice, if indeed he did... There was a Kraft quote, i cant remember it exactly - but it was along the lines of - having three coaches in his tenure as owner, all super bowl caliber guys. Thats a bit of ego, and not much hubris, in that statement.

Second, to a degree we have not seen since 1995, he is subject to internal pressures that Belichick never had to face. I think you have three distinct personalities in that front office that are wielding influence over the future of the franchise - RKK, Wolf & to a lesser degree but is a growing influence, Jonathan "Little Enos" Kraft - Mayo's along for the ride, without much say, if any, in the personell department. As long as we hear the refrain "its a colaboration", it says to me Mayo has no say in picking players beyond telling the triad "we need a tackle or we need a safety", etc... This protects him to a degree.

I hope Mayo is "the guy"... I hope he grows into the role of HC... Im doubtful because of his complete lack of experience... 5 years coaching experience in total... thats a short resume... But, It is a good story, no? First round Pats draft pick to winning Head Coach? I can sell that to the Hallmark channel 24/7/365... If not Hallmark, then its worthy at the very least of a 30 for 30, lol...

Great stuff. In short. A couple of things.

Mayo doesn't strike me as a guy who an ass kisser and will take **** for long terms.

He will grow more into his role as time goes on.

This season is to keep our heads above water until we get to 2025.

I agree Mayo's got at least 3 seasons. As does wolf and AVP.

Mayo admitted he defers the offensive side to AVP & wolf. Ryan's did the same thing in Houston with CJ.

 

[Ring 6]

I'm open to the argument.



I do suspect, by most metrics, that OL had more going for it than this one. Time will tell.

With the power of hindsight it’s easy to say. But light was a rookie, woody was good but flawed and the other 3 were JAGs.

If Wallace plays LT and comes close to Light (as a rookie)
You then have Onwenu=Woody, Okorafir = GRR Anderson and Sow = Compton and Andruzzi.
Those 4 look like a dead heat.

Certainly not enough of a difference to say we can’t play Maye because this OL would ruin a QB, when we see how that OL didn’t ruin Brady.

 

[Ring 6]

Throw away is probably too strong. More like they are taking a page from the BB handbook and treating them as part of an extended preseason.

Let’s be honest they’ve thrown away 2024

 

[lancerman]

Does anyone else feel that the Patriots have decided to throw away the first few games?

I mean that presumes there was decision. Tangibly the QB isn't going to make a difference with this roster anyways. The Jets game is the only game that looks winnable and that's only if we assume Rodgers does not come back to form or anything approaching it.

The decision was made when we were saddled with a **** roster and free agency didn't pan out

 

[Ring 6]

I mean that presumes there was decision. Tangibly the QB isn't going to make a difference with this roster anyways. The Jets game is the only game that looks winnable and that's only if we assume Rodgers does not come back to form or anything approaching it.

The decision was made when we were saddled with a **** roster and free agency didn't pan out

If I put a new management structure in place and hand them $100,000,000 of cap space and the 3rd pick in every round and at the start of the season they report to me that
The chose the franchise QB in the 1st round and he loos good
They only spent 60 of the 100 million
The result of their efforts is we have a roster that is **** we probably can’t win games and we are so bad we can’t put that franchise QB on the field, who let’s them get away with that?

 

[PatsFan2]

I agree. I know many have advocated to start Maye right away. I still remember how the Colts ruined Andrew Luck. The kid came into the game with all world talent and retired a broken and hobbled man by age 29.

This line isn't even close to ready and we made 2 waiver claims for OL. Once the line shows enough cohesion and competence to protect the QB, it will be safe to get Maye some experience. Until then shelter him from a horrible and unproductive start, getting blown up constantly and developing happy feet from an OL he can't trust to protect him or even handle basics like getting the SNAP off.

Next offseason hopefully we can either draft a stud LT with our 1st round pick or find one through free agency. Until then the key is patience. Maye has a vast upside, let's practice the patience needed to nurture him to that ceiling, instead of ruining him unnecessarily.

Brissett is there to provide veteran leadership and absorb the hits that Maye won't. Rome wasn't rebuilt in a day. We do have a key building block in our pocket, let's use that block wisely, when the time is right.

Sorry but we don't have the sit and wait luxury with Maye whether he starts or not he's the next man up right now with Zappe gone. I got news for you Brissett is not exactly Mr Iron man: I think Maye will be playing sooner rather than later with the current line what then? I am sure we are not going skip Maye and play Milton because of the state of the OL. My take you have to play the hand you're dealt Wolf and Mayo constructed this current Team.

 

[Real fan 02]

Sorry but we don't have the sit and wait luxury with Maye whether he starts or not he's the next man up right now with Zappe gone. I got news for you Brissett is not exactly Mr Iron man: I think Maye will be playing sooner rather than later with the current line what then? I am sure we are not going skip Maye and play Milton because of the state of the OL. My take you have to play the hand you're dealt Wolf and Mayo constructed this current Team.

That's exactly what I been trying to tell you my guy! The team knows maye daye is the better QB. Either injury or bad QB will get him benched. Maye is the *back up for now.

I will also tell you something if Brissett look anything like last seasons QB play expect ownership to make the call.

 

[sturmrider]

Just watched the QB school analysis of Drake Maye's third game in preseason. He still has footwork issues and other things to work on. Here is a link to the video. He really explains what he sees very well.



I hope with a little time to work things out as the season goes some of these issues will be reduced. I don't expect all of them to be gone in one season, but maybe with the second. I think this is the biggest argument for starting Brisset at least for the first four games maybe longer depending on Maye's progress.

 

[PatsFan2]

That's exactly what I been trying to tell you my guy! The team knows maye daye is the better QB. Either injury or bad QB will get him benched. Maye is the *back up for now.

I will also tell you something if Brissett look anything like last seasons QB play expect ownership to make the call.

I don't expect him to look any better in the regular season Brissett is what he is and that's not very good.

 

[PatsFan2]

Just watched the QB school analysis of Drake Maye's third game in preseason. He still has footwork issues and other things to work on. Here is a link to the video. He really explains what he sees very well.



I hope with a little time to work things out as the season goes some of these issues will be reduced. I don't expect all of them to be gone in one season, but maybe with the second. I think this is the biggest argument for starting Brisset at least for the first four games maybe longer depending on Maye's progress.

 

[Real fan 02]

I don't expect him to look any better in the regular season Brissett is what he is and that's not very good.

Me neither and basically all of here posting agree. I've just accepted that Brissett will start. He's on borrowed time PF2 my guy. Maye is the QB here, he is the face of the organization. Not wolf not AVP.. if things got ugly Ownership will back mayo over anyone.

 

[1960Pats]

Andrew Luck is the example of what not to do. Most point to Carr, and rightly so because 76 sacks in one season is ridiculous. But Luck started in Indy, they knew how good he was, and despite all that promise, they never built around him. He got so beat up, he quit. There are other guys, who may not have had the highest ceiling who also got so battered, they never were able to fully develop or became so debilitated due to injury, it was game over. Drew Lock, Sam Bradford, Tim Couch, Baker Mayfield... well maybe not Baker... but I think you get the point... they come to mind right away...

not starting for a half season isn't going to negatively impact Drake Mayes development.

but starting too soon while the pieces around them get sorted out? that can turn a Brady into an Eason.

Eason was lousy because he wasn't good enough. The same goes for every failed QB, no matter when they start. It's all about being in there and learning the speed of the pro game.

Waiting to give Maye his chance absolutely slows his development by whatever amount of games it takes for him to become a top pro QB. It's possible he'll be learning next year instead of this year.

And listening to his comments it sounds like Maye thinks he got the short end of the stick. He was never given a chance to win the job.

Starting a less talented jag QB over the 3rd pick in the entire draft is nonsense and I doubt very much that it's coming from Maye.

 

[Pape]

Waiting to give Maye his chance absolutely slows his development by whatever amount of games it takes for him to become a top pro QB. It's possible he'll be learning next year instead of this year.

so, what... you think he's just going to be sitting around with his thumb up his ass doing absolutely nothing, learning absolutely nothing, while he's biding his time on the bench? thats the vibe I'm getting from the Maye needs to start now posts... and we, more than any other fan base, should know that is not true.

Not starting all 17 games this year will have a negligible effect on his development.

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

Great stuff. In short. A couple of things.

Mayo doesn't strike me as a guy who an ass kisser and will take **** for long terms.

He will grow more into his role as time goes on.

This season is to keep our heads above water until we get to 2025.

I agree Mayo's got at least 3 seasons. As does wolf and AVP.

Mayo admitted he defers the offensive side to AVP & wolf. Ryan's did the same thing in Houston with CJ.

What if Kraft has come to regret his decision to give Mayo the head coaching job? Kraft wants to be a winner. He enjoyed being the toast of the NFL, the accolades for his brilliant leadership of the franchise to sustain greatness, etc. Suppose he's decided Mayo is not up to the challenge. If they wanted to orchestrate his departure in a way that gives plausible deniability without torpedoing the future prospects of the team (beyond this year), then this offseason makes a lot more sense.

 

[Real fan 02]

What if Kraft has come to regret his decision to give Mayo the head coaching job? Kraft wants to be a winner. He enjoyed being the toast of the NFL, the accolades for his brilliant leadership of the franchise to sustain greatness, etc. Suppose he's decided Mayo is not up to the challenge. If they wanted to orchestrate his departure in a way that gives plausible deniability without torpedoing the future prospects of the team (beyond this year), then this offseason makes a lot more sense.

I think it's very early to really determine that. Mayo's been with the organization for 16 years. He knows mayo inside and out. So that also factors into his decisions.

The way as Curran reported is mayo doesn't report to wolf. He reports directly to ownership. Wolf & mayo work collaborative with wolf having final say on the roster. If by next season with Drake the starter and things still went bad than maybe you could entertain the conversation.

However it's far to early for RK to pull the plug.

 

[Pape]

Great stuff. In short. A couple of things.

Mayo doesn't strike me as a guy who an ass kisser and will take **** for long terms.

He's a people pleaser. He tries way too hard in his press conferences to be nice and amiable to everyone, answering just about every question. And he's walked away a few times with his foot in his outh.

He will grow more into his role as time goes on.

I am banking on that.

This season is to keep our heads above water until we get to 2025.

Agreed. Lessen that steep incline of the learning curve everybody is on.

I agree Mayo's got at least 3 seasons. As does wolf and AVP.

Mayo admitted he defers the offensive side to AVP & wolf. Ryan's did the same thing in Houston with CJ.

Mayo shouldn't defer to anyone. Hes the Head Coach.

 

[FredFromDartmouth]

What if Kraft has come to regret his decision to give Mayo the head coaching job? Kraft wants to be a winner. He enjoyed being the toast of the NFL, the accolades for his brilliant leadership of the franchise to sustain greatness, etc. Suppose he's decided Mayo is not up to the challenge. If they wanted to orchestrate his departure in a way that gives plausible deniability without torpedoing the future prospects of the team (beyond this year), then this offseason makes a lot more sense.

I think that Mayo is a good coach in an impossible situation. He will be the the fall guy, but the real blame is elsewhere. And you are right, they will get rid of him in a way that gives plausible deniability. And after he is gone, anon leaks from the organization will smear him in the same way Judon was smeared.

It is too bad; if they just had made a few positive moves such as shoring up the line, the offense would be just good enough to complement the D and win a few games.

 

[1960Pats]

Yes, but honestly the 1st 4 would be losses even with Maye, imo.

I don't think we can say either way what would happen. But if Maye is the better QB he belongs in there.

 

[1960Pats]

Not starting all 17 games this year will have a negligible effect on his development.

It certainly delays it in my mind. No amount of film study makes up for game experience.

Overall it's good to have a QB who it looks like could end up being the real deal. I can wait for him to start playing in games. I'll try not to be too hard on Jalopy if he struggles to reach Thornton with his passes.

 

[Pape]

I'll try not to be too hard on Jalopy if he struggles to reach Thornton with his passes.

lmao,

be hard on him. thats why he's here making the < relatively > big bucks. to take the lumps.