Wolf on the OL: I *Think* We Have the Pieces to Compete... Oy Vey...

[Wozzy]

PFF ranked the Saints dead last in their Oline rankings, so that’s not an achievement. At least Okorafor locked up a starting role.

PFF told us Stephon Gilmore was a bad player when we acquired him back in 2017.

I wipe my azz with PFF player grades, they’re worthless.

 

[Wozzy]

They could have, perhaps, but they didn't. Some people see either/ors where both/ands are possible. Such people also tend to form a plan then stick to it, driven by anxiety or by fear of having to make a more complex or bold decision. I think we see that in the present leadership group. We see it in their foolish insistence on sticking, blindly, to their over-timid approach to Mayeis development. Anxious in the face of having to make decisions, their relief over having decided to draft Maye blinded them to what the next step could be. I suppose they might say they felt that their second priority, after "getting their QB," was, given the nature of the draft class, to try to give the new QB "weapons" by focusing on drafting WR's rather than O-linemen. In my mind, that was a foolish decision as to their priorities. A young QB can't make USE of whatever weapons they might provide if he only gets a second and a half for the inexperienced receivers to get open and for him to find them. The fundamental problem is that there seem to be a regime staffed at every level with rank amateurs, chosen apparently for how "nice" they are, crippled by the rigid thinking newbies tend to in challenging jobs. I know it's early in the regime, but to this point the jury is out on the HC, who seems almost pathologically fiddly in his thinking, and the GM, who just seems utterly incompetent.

This is a long winded way of saying they fcked up the offensive line build… but I agree with most all of it.

 

[Wozzy]

So people posting in a message board shouldn’t have opinions? We should all take turns saying “if Wolf did it must be right, he is a professional”?

No, we’re all supposed to blindly agree with Mgteich otherwise we’re not supposed to have opinions… even when I was correct months ago.

 

[Thelonious]

This is a long winded way of saying they fcked up the offensive line build… but I agree with most all of it.

A chacun son gout. I had no idea there was a word limit.

 

[Fuzz]

PFF told us Stephon Gilmore was a bad player when we acquired him back in 2017.

I wipe my azz with PFF player grades, they’re worthless.

lol, well It’s pretty common knowledge that the Saints have one of the worst lines in the league. And your boy still cant crack their starting lineup.

 

[Wozzy]

lol, well It’s pretty common knowledge that the Saints have one of the worst lines in the league. And your boy still cant crack their starting lineup.

Trevor Penning is a blue chip athlete who needed some development entering the league. It’s common knowledge not a single game has been played this season. Not sure how something can be known before its happened.

 

[Fuzz]

Trevor Penning is a blue chip athlete who needed some development entering the league. It’s common knowledge not a single game has been played this season. Not sure how something can be known before its happened.

Ok, aren't Okorafor and Wallace in the same boat then? Or is that only an excuse when it suits you?

 

[Wozzy]

Ok, aren't Okorafor and Wallace in the same boat then? Or is that only an excuse when it suits you?

Penning is a first round thoroughbred, Okorafor and Lowe are fit for the glue factory. What are you smoking?

 

[Fuzz]

Penning is a first round thoroughbred, Okorafor and Lowe are fit for the glue factory. What are you smoking?

I was talking about Udoh and Peat. Penning has nothing to do with this conversation. Although, if you want to bring him up, theyre not happy with him either:

Trevor Penning's progress at right tackle may be too little, too late

It's tough to feel much better about the New Orleans Saints' outlook at right tackle at the end of August than we regarded it back in May, when Trevor Penning started taking his first snaps at right tackle. He's made some progress. But it may have been too little, too late…

saintswire.usatoday.com

 

[Wozzy]

I was talking about Udoh and Peat. Penning has nothing to do with this conversation. Although, if you want to bring him up, theyre not happy with him either:

Trevor Penning's progress at right tackle may be too little, too late

It's tough to feel much better about the New Orleans Saints' outlook at right tackle at the end of August than we regarded it back in May, when Trevor Penning started taking his first snaps at right tackle. He's made some progress. But it may have been too little, too late…

saintswire.usatoday.com

Udoh, Peat and Nijman have already played and played well. It’s not a matter of “if,” it’s only a matter of health and the offense around them. These aren’t kids…

Lowe and Okorafor have never played well… they’re not playing well now. But sure… maybe that will change with a change of shirt.

 

[goheels22002]

Udoh, Peat and Nijman have already played and played well. It’s not a matter of “if,” it’s only a matter of health and the offense around them. These aren’t kids…

Lowe and Okorafor have never played well… they’re not playing well now. But sure… maybe that will change with a change of shirt.

Looking at the various cutdown lists from around the league, the average number of offensive linemen being released is three or four per team. One has to assume the Patriots are looking carefully at those cuts for free agents and will be combing the practice squads for possible trades.

There are several teams with excellent offensive lines, so my guess is that teams in the top ten have a numbers game and will be shedding some decent players.

As desperate as this situation is after the Sidy Sow injury and Cole Strange no-show, the Patriots must make a move here in the next couple of days.

 

[Wozzy]

Looking at the various cutdown lists from around the league, the average number of offensive linemen being released is three or four per team. One has to assume the Patriots are looking carefully at those cuts for free agents and will be combing the practice squads for possible trades.

There are several teams with excellent offensive lines, so my guess is that teams in the top ten have a numbers game and will be shedding some decent players.

As desperate as this situation is after the Sidy Sow injury and Cole Strange no-show, the Patriots must make a move here in the next couple of days.

The problem is there are very few good offensive linemen released and last year Vederian Lowe looked like a good option to Wolf. Color me skeptical...

 

[mgteich]

Oli Udoh and Andrus Peat have both struggled this preseason. Peat is on the roster bubble by some accounts, and 30 years old. I would have liked Patrick Paul at 37 too, but Polk has looked good in camp also, so the jury is still out on that one.

So people posting in a message board shouldn’t have opinions? We should all take turns saying “if Wolf did it must be right, he is a professional”?

fair enough

Perhaps, I am putting too fine a point on my opinion.

I have no problem at all with folks having the belief that Wolf is making lots of mistakes, and even illustrating some options that were available. And, yes, I am fine with someone showing rosters cutting folks that they believe don't belong in the league. That may be a bit of hype, but not much.

My problem, and it is mine, is folks continually listing all the people they would have drafted and signed (and at what contract amounts). I find these approaches very differently.

 

[mgteich]

No, we’re all supposed to blindly agree with Mgteich otherwise we’re not supposed to have opinions… even when I was correct months ago.

Yup, you thought that one of the UDFA's was going to start at LT. You have had hundreds of "predictions" and "positions". We all could go back, find the ones we think are now right, and say "told ya'. I don't have enough time left in the season to list all the times your predictions and positions have been wrong since the season ended.

 

[Wozzy]

Yup, you thought that one of the UDFA's was going to start at LT. You have had hundreds of "predictions" and "positions". We all could go back, find the ones we think are now right, and say "told ya'. I don't have enough time left in the season to list all the times your predictions and positions have been wrong since the season ended.

I thought one of the UDFA's was going to start... that's a lie, start there. I said the best case scenario was the young guys ascend because Lowe and Okorafor were terrible, I also said it was pie in the sky thinking.

Again, you're just upset that I railed against Wolf for not taking an offensive tackle in the second, and I slammed his quick trigger finger to sign Okorafor who sucked in Pittsburgh. You're upset because I called Jordan and Leverett jags and both were regularly abused by backups in the preseason.

In short, you're upset because I was correct about the offensive line this offseason, while you were arguing these jags were smart signings... and now that take looks foolish. Don't get salty... cope.

 

[mgteich]

In short, you're upset because I was correct about the offensive line this offseason, while you were arguing these jags were smart signings... and now that take looks foolish. Don't get salty... cope.

rofl

I only criticize your nonsense so that other can see the absurdity.

I laugh and am not at all upset at your positions.
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BTW, there a dozens of posters (almost all) whose positions I take seriously. Yours is one of the few that have little chance of getting me upset.

 

[Ring 6]

fair enough

Perhaps, I am putting too fine a point on my opinion.

I have no problem at all with folks having the belief that Wolf is making lots of mistakes, and even illustrating some options that were available. And, yes, I am fine with someone showing rosters cutting folks that they believe don't belong in the league. That may be a bit of hype, but not much.

My problem, and it is mine, is folks continually listing all the people they would have drafted and signed (and at what contract amounts). I find these approaches very differently.

Do you really need to list players when the 4-13 teams talent is less now than it was last year at most positions and they chose not to spend 50,000,000?
The only players we acquired were borderline guys who are unlikely to be starters. Surely the free agents other teams that were better than 4-13 signed to be starters and make their team better would have made this one better, no?

 

[Fuzz]

Udoh, Peat and Nijman have already played and played well. It’s not a matter of “if,” it’s only a matter of health and the offense around them. These aren’t kids…

Lowe and Okorafor have never played well… they’re not playing well now. But sure… maybe that will change with a change of shirt.

You're making things up at this point. Nijman is now in his 6th year in the league and has never played well. The panthers were crazy (and desperate) to give him an $8M contract. Peat was a serviceable starting guard 3 years ago but has never played a full season and is now clearly over the hill. Udoh has never played well either. He can't even crack the starting lineup of the worst line in the league. Okorafor was a serviceable starter for the steelers for 3 years before he got benched for disciplinary reasons, not performance. Lowe was drafted as a project and is still early in his career. He was put in a bad situation last year with the Pats but the coaching staff believes in him and think his mistakes are correctable. I'm willing to give him a chance before writing him off.

 

[Wozzy]

rofl

I only criticize your nonsense so that other can see the absurdity.

I laugh and am not at all upset at your positions.
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BTW, there a dozens of posters (almost all) whose positions I take seriously. Yours is one of the few that have little chance of getting me upset.

Yeah… it’s not like I was completely right to slam Wolf’s offensive line moves this offseason.

Because they’re really good right now… laugh riot.

 

[Wozzy]

You're making things up at this point. Nijman is now in his 6th year in his league and has never played well. The panthers were crazy (and desperate) to give him an $8M contract. Peat was a serviceable starting guard 3 years ago but has never played a full season and is now clearly over the hill. Udoh has never played well either. He can't even crack the starting lineup of the worst line in the league. Okorafor was a serviceable starter for the steelers for 3 years before he got benched for disciplinary reasons, not performance. Lowe was drafted as a project and is still early in his career. He was put in a bad situation last year with the Pats but the coaching staff believes in him and think his mistakes are correctable. I'm willing to give him a chance before writing him off.

Not making anything up at all. Udoh, Peat and Nijman have made starts on great lines and played really well.

No need to dance around… either Okorafor and Lowe play well or they don’t. They won’t, they haven’t yet so why would they now.