AVP; could be great for this team.

[Real fan 02]

AVP could be good for this team or he could be terrible.

I mean, was anyone envious of the Cleveland Browns offense these last couple of years?

Here's what the Cleveland offense was in 2023... hence having 5 different QBs, going 11-5, making the playoffs. They had a 1,200 yard WR as well.

I would have loved for us to even had sniffed this last season...

 

[Real fan 02]

Collaboration was announced in 2021, that wasn't a mirage or my imagination... it happened.

Bill's coaches left because they were wildly successful and got opportunities as head coaches elsewhere that they probably didn't earn. Scar stayed the entirety of the dynasty, it wasn't about money... he liked his job as a line coach and knew his limitations.

The collaboration drafted Mac, that part of the failure doesn't get mentioned enough.

Wozzy I like you man... your a stand up comedian. LOL. Speak of facts wich you have none.. you speak on opinion wich is fine.. your love affair with Bill is understandable. He is the GOAT HC.

Brady won right away
The collaboration according to Curran began in 2020-21 offseason..

However according to Bill apologist Lombardi the collaboration was there when he was in the organization he says.

Scar retired and was asked to come back. Guugs was fired on the plane ride home.

Again the FACTS speak for themselves... when an organization has stability at QB the job of a GM is much easier. If Bill was a GM now In any organization there is no way he would get around not having to pay a good QB.. not everyone accepts gift cards you know...

 

[Real fan 02]

Collaboration was announced in 2021, that wasn't a mirage or my imagination... it happened.

Bill's coaches left because they were wildly successful and got opportunities as head coaches elsewhere that they probably didn't earn. Scar stayed the entirety of the dynasty, it wasn't about money... he liked his job as a line coach and knew his limitations.

The collaboration drafted Mac, that part of the failure doesn't get mentioned enough.

Show me the success Patricia, Joe and Josh had????

 

[Real fan 02]

And yet gave Bill an extension before the 2023 season.

Seems like an odd thing to do if Kraft really took all of Bill's power away... which he didn't. There is no report anywhere that says Bill gave up final say over the football ops. Also nobody is saying Bill was a dictator...of course he's going to ask people if they're ok with it before he selected Jones.


Lol. Nobody says BB sucks. But his record without Brady sure does and so has the coaching the last couple of seasons.

He knows lol we are speaking facts.. wozzy likes to go against the grain..

 

[PatsFan2]

Show me the success Patricia, Joe and Josh had????

Waiting...

 

[Real fan 02]

Waiting...

That is like asking show me the success of N'Keal Harry

 

[PatsFan2]

That is like asking show me the success of N'Keal Harry

He had success...success at sucking if we could turn back time and redo that Draft.

 

[Real fan 02]

He had success...success at sucking if we could turn back time and redo that Draft.

Oh boy! Could we!..only thing is I wish wolf would had been making the pick!

 

[sb1]

One year extension... lol

Two year extension. Point still stands.

Or is it that all good decisions are because of Bill and all bad decisions are on some collaboration. Lol

Kraft announced the collaboration very publicly at the owners meeting in 2021. Facts suck for you.

There is no report anywhere that said Bill lost his final say over the football ops. Bill had full power as he always did to override anything that any collaboration tells him if he chose to do so.

BB lives rent free in your head.

Brady without Arians had a losing record,

Such a large sample size too. Lol

 

[Wozzy]

Show me the success Patricia, Joe and Josh had????

Who said they did? Also you forgot Flores...

Wozzy I like you man... you're a stand up comedian. LOL. Speak of facts wich you have none.. you speak on opinion wich is fine.. your love affair with Bill is understandable. He is the GOAT HC.

Brady won right away
The collaboration according to Curran began in 2020-21 offseason..

However according to Bill apologist Lombardi the collaboration was there when he was in the organization he says.

Scar retired and was asked to come back. Guugs was fired on the plane ride home.

Again the FACTS speak for themselves... when an organization has stability at QB the job of a GM is much easier. If Bill was a GM now In any organization there is no way he would get around not having to pay a good QB.. not everyone accepts gift cards you know...

I don't even know what you're arguing at this point. That's ^ just a hodge hodge of nonsense.

 

[Wozzy]

Or is it that all good decisions are because of Bill and all bad decisions are on some collaboration. Lol

Nobody has absolved BB of any decisions. You're denying the collaboration existed, the only in denial is you.

Such a large sample size too. Lol

Facts suck for you.

Brady never had a losing record without BB or Arians, without them... yep.

 

[Real fan 02]

Who said they did? Also you forgot Flores...

I don't even know what you're arguing at this point. That's ^ just a hodge hodge of nonsense.

Nobody has absolved BB of any decisions. You're denying the collaboration existed, the only in denial is you.

Facts suck for you.

Brady never had a losing record without BB or Arians, without them... yep.

Absolutely correct, we have him speechless lol

 

[dliverey44]

Brings back memories of 2 a days. Can’t help feel that coaching has gone soft, almost coddling listening to him. I never remember coaches talking like that. Lots more yelling in the old days…new times I guess. Wonder if the transfer of information is better this way?

Different era my friend. In my opinion the firm hand doesn't work as well as it used to, based on my experience in the military(22 years).

 

[Huckleberry1]

Looking for breadcrumbs of optimism here.
The pundits have the Pats as the worst team with the worst roster win the league.

AVP I am hoping will be one bright spot.
Albert Einstein was not available

I’m just going to give you props for optimism Sam.

 

[Real fan 02]

Who said they did? Also you forgot Flores...

I don't even know what you're arguing at this point. That's ^ just a hodge hodge of nonsense.

Oh you mean flo? Who unlocked the defense and who was on the staff for over 15 years that Bill accidentally texted when he didn't get the bills job..

 

[vicspats]

Different era my friend. In my opinion the firm hand doesn't work as well as it used to, based on my experience in the military(22 years).

First off thank you for your service. College was 40 years ago… ya totally different times

 

[dliverey44]

First off thank you for your service. College was 40 years ago… ya totally different times

Thank you.
By the time I retired communicating with my troops was much different than when I had earlier in my career.

 

[sb1]

Nobody has absolved BB of any decisions. You're denying the collaboration existed, the only in denial is you.

I'm denying any collaboration had any final say over the football ops. That was all Bill.

Facts suck for you.

Brady never had a losing record without BB or Arians, without them... yep.

Patriot way = the Brady way. Facts.

 

[Wozzy]

I'm denying any collaboration had any final say over the football ops. That was all Bill.

Patriot way = the Brady way. Facts.

Nobody takes biased opinions seriously, except other biased people.

 

[PancakeBlockPaul]

Which doesn’t explain why he was coaching zone blocking schemes when it was not called for.

The offense was better in 2022 than it was in 2023, it might have improved a lot if the owners left coaching to the guy they hired to do the job… and allowed Bill to replace Mac when he wanted to instead of shoving him down his throat.

Back when they said they were making the changes to more zone blocking, shouldn’t they have brought in more linemen for this scheme? If I’m not mistaken they only brought in strange. Color me wrong…or stupid even but I would think it would take more than 1…