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Hs contract was made of pixie dust with escalators and bonuses... TB12 even said he was all about the team.. as his career wore on he felt that the organization wasn't putting thier best effort to retain key players.. so he and people felt it was best to invest in his brand as he wasn't going to play forever.. so the equipment manager wasn't signing guys... I'm sorry bill wasn't.
Bill made Gilmore, Wilfork, Gronk, Seymour and others among the highest paid players at their positions. Just because he didn’t overpay JC Jackson or Asante Samuel didn’t make him cheap, those were flawed players… overrated. Chandler Jones was a head case who didn’t warrant 100 million. Choosing who to pay is just as important as not overpaying for “average.”
 
Bill made Gilmore, Wilfork, Gronk, Seymour and others among the highest paid players at their positions. Just because he didn’t overpay JC Jackson or Asante Samuel didn’t make him cheap, those were flawed players… overrated. Chandler Jones was a head case who didn’t warrant 100 million. Choosing who to pay is just as important as not overpaying for “average.”
Gilly got a bump money taken from that year into the next. He was gone soon after... Vince almost walked out the door if not for RK getting involved. Yeah.. no arguments on JC, Samuel. To me those guys were fake #1s.. when here. They never shut anyone down.. they got a bunch of INTs wich is great for getting paid! Jones was phenomenal when he went to Arizona... guy was a 15 sack guy each year... big Sey had to fight with his contract as well.. Bill was being paid to coach, and be GM.. so alot of bills work was also so he could retain, and justify his own salary.
 
McAdoo was fired as the NY Giants Head Coach in a shorter timeframe than Joe Judge. Being worse than Joe Judge is a remarkable accomplishment, and now we are to believe that McAdoo is somehow an amazing OC/play caller? WOW!
Different jobs.
 
Gilly got a bump money taken from that year into the next. He was gone soon after... Vince almost walked out the door if not for RK getting involved. Yeah.. no arguments on JC, Samuel. To me those guys were fake #1s.. when here. They never shut anyone down.. they got a bunch of INTs wich is great for getting paid! Jones was phenomenal when he went to Arizona... guy was a 15 sack guy each year... big Sey had to fight with his contract as well.. Bill was being paid to coach, and be GM.. so alot of bills work was also so he could retain, and justify his own salary.
In regards to Gilmore, the original contract for Gilmore was the most guaranteed the Pats had given to a defensive player ever. He had the highest guaranteed amount for a CB in the league at the time and was the 6th highest paid by APY. This is what he was referring to, his original contract.
 
Gilly got a bump money taken from that year into the next. He was gone soon after... Vince almost walked out the door if not for RK getting involved. Yeah.. no arguments on JC, Samuel. To me those guys were fake #1s.. when here. They never shut anyone down.. they got a bunch of INTs wich is great for getting paid! Jones was phenomenal when he went to Arizona... guy was a 15 sack guy each year... big Sey had to fight with his contract as well.. Bill was being paid to coach, and be GM.. so alot of bills work was also so he could retain, and justify his own salary.
most every player that resigned here, had to beg for their money. they all ultimately left too soon, had more in the tank, and were disgruntled players. can't fault Bill, because he won.
even Brady was given the same treatment, but that one backfired and was the beginning of the end for Bill
 
Bill had the final say as GM and HC regardless of what any collaboration's input might have been. They didn't replace him they supported him.

Bill was a great HC who became a lousy HC therefore he was let go. Not rocket science.
I do not believe that to be accurate
Bill was always a great HC. always
he always a good to very good to arguably the best GM.
when he started slipping as a GM, he hurt himself as the coach.
 
The owner has final say genius, wrong again.
Not with the football ops.
The collaboration was responsible. I'm sure BB was responsible for some of the bad decisions along the way. You guys are the only one in denial the collaboration existed or had a hand in it even thought the owner announced it to the world in 2021.

Weird way to spell "collaboration".
 
The collaboration was responsible. I'm sure BB was responsible for some of the bad decisions along the way. You guys are the only one in denial the collaboration existed or had a hand in it even thought the owner announced it to the world in 2021.
Bill drafted Jones. It was 100% his decision, nobody else's.
 
His staffers.. had to ask for pay day loans and go fund me donations becuase they were making anything.
BB did not adjust with the times when it came to developing his coaching staff. He treated the development of his coaches by testing to see how much they loved football by paying them peanuts and making them work hard. The ones who stuck around took on additional roles and made more money, only after paying their dues. Just like he learned to coach. The system broke down because coaches with potential could make more elsewhere and develop faster. Additionally the coaching drain forced a number of battlefield promotions before the guy was ready for the job.
 
I do not believe that to be accurate
Bill was always a great HC. always
he always a good to very good to arguably the best GM.
when he started slipping as a GM, he hurt himself as the coach.
Not the last couple of seasons. Undisciplined play, bad special teams, awful coaching hires, botching a young QB's development, having his team completely unprepared for big games against good teams (think 2021 WC game), two historic blowouts in a row, 3 games in a row allowing 10 points or less and losing all 3 - also a historic accomplishment... 4-13....those are all not attributes of a well coached team.
 
I do not believe that to be accurate
Bill was always a great HC. always
he always a good to very good to arguably the best GM.
when he started slipping as a GM, he hurt himself as the coach.
Without getting into the Brady and Bill debate. Just making this to make my point. Bill was was great HC, and solid GM. Alot the roster moves made during 2002-19. Was due to #12.. stability at the QB position for so long will make any GMs job easy. Bill even said himself if an organ has stability at the most important position in football it makes GM and owners job easier.
 
Not the last couple of seasons. Undisciplined play, bad special teams, awful coaching hires, botching a young QB's development, having his team completely unprepared for big games against good teams (think 2021 WC game), two historic blowouts in a row, 3 games in a row allowing 10 points or less and losing all 3 - also a historic accomplishment... 4-13....those are all not attributes of a well coached team.
Great stuff as always!! I'll add if any organization had a brady esque type QB.. constantly taking less for the team.. a GM would have a much easier time handling the roster. I get the feeling wolf isn't going to play penny pincher.. you missed a meeting becuase you had the flu so I can't pay you mantra Bill pulled so to speak.
 
In regards to Gilmore, the original contract for Gilmore was the most guaranteed the Pats had given to a defensive player ever. He had the highest guaranteed amount for a CB in the league at the time and was the 6th highest paid by APY. This is what he was referring to, his original contract.
Thank you. Yes, I remember that contract. It caused alot of friction with butler... but butler had himself to blame he tuned down a 50 million contract from the team in 2016, he bet on himself and got paid from the Titans. Gilly wanted more money due to him being DPOY. At the time Gilly contract was. But I believe as far as annual salary ever given to a CB it was ty law.. at that time early 2000s.
 
BB did not adjust with the times when it came to developing his coaching staff. He treated the development of his coaches by testing to see how much they loved football by paying them peanuts and making them work hard. The ones who stuck around took on additional roles and made more money, only after paying their dues. Just like he learned to coach. The system broke down because coaches with potential could make more elsewhere and develop faster. Additionally the coaching drain forced a number of battlefield promotions before the guy was ready for the job.
Well said. To further your point caley was offered the OC role prior to it being foolishly given to Patricia. He declined as he wouldn't be named OC as average annually OCs make 1 million and up... so that was another manipulation done to avoid paying coaches. I'm a firm believer of paying your good players.. becuase contracts aren't fully guaranteed so the risk is not as much on team owners as it is the players. Players want the upfront Money. That's where you capitalize.
 
I know it's already been discussed but we could have had A.J. Brown and George Pickens but BB preferred choir boys over real football players. Yess BB like guy she thinks he can control.
Like N'Keal Harry who got drafted as WR.. now has to play TE..
 
Lol.. ok well bill typically made good coaching choices over his stellar career.. can you pull up some stats of who hired a DC to be an OC? By that logic I'll hire my electrician to do my windows.
I think the owner of the Chargers made some bad coaching choices. So did LV with McDaniels, the Lions when they scooped up Patricia and the Giants with Judge. There's probably more but I don't care enough to look into it. Bad coaching choices are a dime a dozen.
 
I think the owner of the Chargers made some bad coaching choices. So did LV with McDaniels, the Lions when they scooped up Patricia and the Giants with Judge. There's probably more but I don't care enough to look into it. Bad coaching choices are a dime a dozen.
Bill loyalist Lombardi said the coaching decision made in 2022 had never been done in nfl history.. at that time given we had a 2nd year QB. It was a bad decision. There's a reason those types if things don't occur in the NFL
 
Whose fault was it that the quality of the roster cratered over the last few seasons to one of the least talented teams in the league going into 2024.
Ooh! I know. The good picks (if there were any) were made by Bill and the bad ones were made by someone else. So the answer must be ABB, anyone but Bill.
 
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