Should Belichick Retain Personnel Duties?

[venecol]

I think in a perfect world, someone else would take over personnel duties and BB could stay as HC. It hasn't been his best year in that regard either, but I think people are underestimating how crappy the majority of NFL head coaches are nowadays. Willingly entering that carousel again is a major gamble.

I don't know about that, 60% of the teams are at or above .500

Look at some rookie and recent coaches:
PHI - 3rd yr (10-2) 2nd RD QB
DET - 3rd yr (9-3) 1st RD QB
MIA - 2nd yr (8-3) 1st RD QB
HOU - rookie (7-5) rookie QB
IND - rookie (7-5) rookie QB / back-up QB
MIN - 2nd yr (6-6) back-up QB
ATL - 2nd yr (6-6) back-up QB

Even Payton, who started DEN's season at 1-5 and now has them at 6-6 ( they should've won yesterday).

There's plenty of talented young coaches out there. We can't be scared of trying to find one just because he'll be working in the shadows of Belichick.

HOWEVER, we don't live in a perfect world. Even if BB agreed to give up personnel control (which I doubt he would), what happens the first time he gets a player who he wouldn't have picked, and that player gets off to a slow start? As much as one would hope he'd stick it out and give the kid a chance, more than likely that kid is getting buried. It's really hard to suppress those biases when you've had final say for so long, and that's not just Belichick, that's every human being.

100%, this won't work.

It's time for a fresh start. Definitely for the Patriots, and if BB wants to keep coaching he'd probably benefit from a change of scenery himself.

100%

 

[patsinthesnow]

Letting bill either coach a rookie qb or pick the groceries for them is batshit insane.

 

[palialka]

This is sarcasm right?

 

[venecol]

That's true. I believe an owner like tepper would accept that. However as someone mentioned I'm sure there is already something agreed upon between Bill and RK. They have had lasting success together. I think they just mutually agree to part ways. Mayo feels like he's the next coach in waiting.

Mayo should be considered but it shouldn't just be handed to him. I'd rather see an offensive minded HC myself.

 

[Real fan 02]

Mayo should be considered but it shouldn't just be handed to him. I'd rather see an offensive minded HC myself.

I want an offensive HC as well. But Mayo of course was a great LB for us. He's with the times. He game plans each week to slow offenses. I'm sure he'll have his staff littered with offensive minds. Another thing here is I think once BB leaves so will BOB.. I see Mickey D back here as Mayos OC.

 

[Steve102]

I just don't know what you people are thinking. This is out of hand.

@Ian can we make it so when a poll is started, one of the answers defaults to RLKAG?

 

[upstater1]

It's not even a question. He's always wanted players that fit into his mold. So unless he totally trusts a new GM, he wouldn't continue. The question is moot.

Most coaches and GMs that have some success are a tandem. Andy Reid in KC gets a huge say, McDermott in Buffalo, Shanahan in SF.

When GMs and coaches aren't on the same page, the result is spotty at best. So say he gave up GM duties, the only real way to run it would then be to get a lot of input from Belichick. You'd essentially have the same parameters in place as you do now.

One big change that might happen with a new GM though is less emphasis on the All Star games and more emphasis on the combine. The selections of people like Mapu were influenced by being around them at the All-Star games, but the same goes for people like Demario Douglas, Kyle Dugger and Julian Edelman. There are a lot of examples of the Patriots becoming comfortable with players because of coaching them at these games. I imagine a GM with more authority would veer away from that.

Make no mistake though: there is no good example that I know of where a GM selects players and the coach doesn't have a great deal of input. Where does that happen? Detroit maybe?

 

[ahmed]

There's a good argument to be made that if he goes back to being a DC he would be the best in the league right now even at age 71. Much lighter workload than what he's got now. But he won't agree to a career move like that.

How do we know the D is not because of Mayo or even his son? Out Ds have always had different characteristics based the DC.

That said we have played a who's who of crappy teams lately. We got killed by good offensive teams.

The only thing I am ok with from this coaching regime is Mayo as HC. Everything else needs a full reboot.

 

[Water Boy]

Mayo should be considered but it shouldn't just be handed to him. I'd rather see an offensive minded HC myself.

The concerning thing with Mayo is that his only coaching and playing experience is with BB. How willing or able is he to bring in new ideas and approaches?

 

[Nehalem]

I think people are missing the problem. The defense is good(despite missing its 2 best players).

What should happen is for him to have no say in the offense

 

[Thelonious]

Good God, of course not.

As he would likely regard being HC only as a demotion and an affront, I expect he would decline such an offer. So be it. It seems to me he is showing signs of failing at his HC responsibilties as well.

I feel sorry for him: I really do. It was painful to watch him struggle in th post-game press conference, notwithstanding that he has largely to blame for the increasingly (and appropriately) aggressive questioning. But the changes must be made. Sic transit gloria mundi.

 

[Thelonious]

Regarding Mayo, I share some of the concerns expressed here re his candidacy. I would hope there would be a genuine wide-net search and hiring process in which Mayo would have no particular advantage over any other applicant. (I hope the Krafts have not been foolish enough to have accepted contractual terms which prevent this.) If Mayo wins in a fair fight for the job, so be it. We gotta get going.

 

[sb1]

I can't find any old polls to prove it but it would be interesting to check if the sentiment of this poll is a lot different than it was at this time last year. I think it is.

 

[VectorPrime]

I can't find any old polls to prove it but it would be interesting to check if the sentiment of this poll is a lot different than it was at this time last year. I think it is.

It was pathetic that he wasn’t fired after what he did at OC. Anyone else would be. But fine the GOAT gets a mulligan I guess. But now they’re TWO AND TEN. It’s over. It should be over today, it would be for ANY other coach in league history.

 

[sb1]

It was pathetic that he wasn’t fired after what he did at OC. Anyone else would be. But fine the GOAT gets a mulligan I guess. But now they’re TWO AND TEN. It’s over. It should be over today, it would be for ANY other coach in league history.

Yup. It's just time.

 

[Kdo5]

Should Belichick have to give up control over the Draft, Free Agency, and Personnel Decisions? Should he still be kept as HC? Or should he be fired entirely?

neither, a parting of the ways is clearly necessary.

 

[Family]

I think in a perfect world, someone else would take over personnel duties and BB could stay as HC. It hasn't been his best year in that regard either, but I think people are underestimating how crappy the majority of NFL head coaches are nowadays. Willingly entering that carousel again is a major gamble.

HOWEVER, we don't live in a perfect world. Even if BB agreed to give up personnel control (which I doubt he would), what happens the first time he gets a player who he wouldn't have picked, and that player gets off to a slow start? As much as one would hope he'd stick it out and give the kid a chance, more than likely that kid is getting buried. It's really hard to suppress those biases when you've had final say for so long, and that's not just Belichick, that's every human being.

It's time for a fresh start. Definitely for the Patriots, and if BB wants to keep coaching he'd probably benefit from a change of scenery himself.

As I have said in other posts Kraft can easily justify giving all personnel decisions to Groh and Wolf simply by telling Belichick that it’s in the best interests of the franchise to find out starting now if they are the people to entrust the future of the team with, or whether he needs to clean house completely and create an entirely new football operations structure. If Belichick says that’s not the deal Kraft can tell him he can resign if he wants to, but that any team looking to hire him before his contract expires will have to pay a 1st for his rights. If they don’t want pay that they can wait until his deal expires.

Bellichick is in a similar position to where Tom Brady was when he left. People will say Brady had more skills than BB currently has, and that is probably true, but neither was/is going to win here again. With Brady, after the team working the cap to stay on top for years, the Patriots needed too much of a rebuild, and by the time that could have happened, Brady would have likely moved on anyway.

BB needs a ready made team like Tampa Bay was for Brady. If he coaches the Jets or Bills next year with key players healthy, does anyone think they won't be in it?

I think Kraft and Bill shake hands, and agree to let Bill out of his contract, provided the next stop is not the AFC East. If a team like the Bears make some right moves, they could be interesting. Would Dallas fire McCarthy if BB is available for free? Is Parcells still his mentor?

 

[MrTibbs]

Should Belichick have to give up control over the Draft, Free Agency, and Personnel Decisions? Should he still be kept as HC? Or should he be fired entirely?

Is this really a question right now? No disrespect but have you been off the grid hiding out somewhere for the last few years or something?

 

[VrabelJr]

This topic is boring because we aren't privy to the internal workings of the scouting/draft and FA personnel department. It looks like BB has delegated some responsibility in recent years. Does he still have final say? Probably, but it does look like he receives quite a lot of influence.

Rather than looking at drafting by itself you also need to consider the trajectory of the team under the draft. The 2014-2020 drafts were under a perennial Super Bowl contender with a very determined set of starters year to year. We just weren't going to draft your binky WR, TE, Guard, or Tackle, or whatever when we have known winners at those positions. The misses on CBs like JoeJuan. Cyrus, and Duke Dawson suck but ultimately reflected trying to build depth at the one part of the roster that needed it and is costly to spend in FA when you have a HOF QB, TE, and other pro bowl players you're trying to keep around.

My biggest BB personnel gripe is letting Thuney walk but I also understand why. At the end of 2020 we looked headed for a rebuild so spending top dollar on a Guard just wouldn't move the needle in that scenario. 2021's wild card appearance was a surprise last gasp that none of us expected at the time and the last two seasons show why.

If drafting in 2014-2020 was about adding a few sprinkles to a contender then drafing the last 3 years has been about building a new foundation.

Unfortunately Mac Jones and Jack Jones were misses. Thornton is looking like one too. It's too bad Gonzalez and Marcus Jones got injured. However, we already have big contributors in Barmore, Strange, Anfernee Jennings, Keion White, Douglas, Baringer, and Sow in just a couple years. Let's see how others like Mapu, Mafi, and Jake Andrews come along.

There seems to be at least 5 starting QBs in the draft and experience shows the ones taken highest aren't usually the best. I lean towards trading out and grabbing a cornerstone OT or generational prospect at DL or WR and figure out QB by adding a QB in the late 1st or 2nd with a journeyman free agent.

 

[Real fan 02]

I can't find any old polls to prove it but it would be interesting to check if the sentiment of this poll is a lot different than it was at this time last year. I think it is.

I'll tell ya.. I owe Matty p an apology. His team is likely going to be in the NFC championship. I'm sure Bills got his heart n soul all prepared for the ARMY , NAVY game coming up. The QB for either team could do better than what we have.