BB THE GOAT

[Triumph]

I can't argue with you on that Triumph...

His pristine legacy and clout is slowly eroding away.

The optics of ownership calling out his drafting, win - loss record, playoff drought and personnel moves is concerning.

The Championships and Super Bowl rings will always be there, but the demise of the franchise post Brady is a bitter ending.

 

[Pape]

but the demise of the franchise post Brady is a bitter ending.

We ain't dead yet.

We've tried a few things that have not worked out well... with that said we do have some talent here... Looking forward to a better, more competitive 2023

 

[RobertWeathers]

I can't argue with you on that Triumph...

Yes you can. The difference is back then there were better players and a HOF QB to hide the bad moves.

Duane Starks, Monty Beisel, Steve Martin, Donald Hayes, etc..

Every GM makes the wrong move from time to time.

Idiots like the ones bashing Bill won't acknowledge that because it destroys their narrative and stupid way of thinking about what reality is.

 

[RobertWeathers]

His pristine legacy and clout is slowly eroding away.

The optics of ownership calling out his drafting, win - loss record, playoff drought and personnel moves is concerning.

The Championships and Super Bowl rings will always be there, but the demise of the franchise post Brady is a bitter ending.

By that **** logic Brady's legacy took a huge hit as well.

 

[Real fan 02]

Yes you can. The difference is back then there were better players and a HOF QB to hide the bad moves.

Duane Starks, Monty Beisel, Steve Martin, Donald Hayes, etc..

Every GM makes the wrong move from time to time.

Idiots like the ones bashing Bill won't acknowledge that because it destroys their narrative and stupid way of thinking about what reality is.

Was being fecicous lol

 

[Wozzy]

Belichick had a better record with Vinnie Testeverde than Bernie Kosar… in other shocking news BB has a better record with better players and after the first couple seasons of rebuilding.

That matches the careers of Bill Walsh, Parcells, Chuck Noll and the greatest coaches in history.

Jimmy Johnson - season one: 1-15 - season two: 7-9
Bill Walsh - season one: 2-14 - season two: 6-10
Chuck Noll - season one: 1-13 - season two: 5-9 - season three: 6-8
Tom Landry - season one: 0-11-1 - season two: 4-9-1 - season three: 5-8-1
Bill Parcells - season one: 3-12-1 - season two: 9-7

BB drafted Brady… we don’t have to qualify his career without Tom. That’s just what haters do.

 

[Real fan 02]

We ain't dead yet.

We've tried a few things that have not worked out well... with that said we do have some talent here... Looking forward to a better, more competitive 2023

Yes whole heartily agree, I feel that the decisions made in 2022 just put such a stain on the organization that some are basing his whole entire body of work based on 1 season.

When Peter King and BB loyalists like Mike Lombardi were critical of him then we knew something was Amiss.
However I still want BB as my HC,

I'd like it if he would defer some of the responsibilities as his did earlier in his tenure with Weiss and crennel..

This would greatly benefit him and the team as a whole.. 2023 can only go up!!

 

[Real fan 02]

Yes you can. The difference is back then there were better players and a HOF QB to hide the bad moves.

Duane Starks, Monty Beisel, Steve Martin, Donald Hayes, etc..

Every GM makes the wrong move from time to time.

Idiots like the ones bashing Bill won't acknowledge that because it destroys their narrative and stupid way of thinking about what reality is.

Absolutely agree, we were able to function and do business as business was done due to 12...

Add Ocho Cinco to that mix as well..

Brady was so instrumental as well becuase he was able to carry the leadership from BB to the team..

I don't want posters to jump all over me here ... but he and Mac have similar characteristics.. according to Charlie Weiss is why Mac was drafted..

 

[p8ryts]

Belichick had a better record with Vinnie Testeverde than Bernie Kosar… in other shocking news BB has a better record with better players and after the first couple seasons of rebuilding.

That matches the careers of Bill Walsh, Parcells, Chuck Noll and the greatest coaches in history.

Jimmy Johnson - season one: 1-15 - season two: 7-9
Bill Walsh - season one: 2-14 - season two: 6-10
Chuck Noll - season one: 1-13 - season two: 5-9 - season three: 6-8
Tom Landry - season one: 0-11-1 - season two: 4-9-1 - season three: 5-8-1
Bill Parcells - season one: 3-12-1 - season two: 9-7

BB drafted Brady… we don’t have to qualify his career without Tom. That’s just what haters do.

Not only drafted him but kept as a 4th QB on the roster, and had the nerve and intelligence to continue to start him when Drew returned.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I don't want posters to jump all over me here ... but he and Mac have similar characteristics.. according to Charlie Weiss is why Mac was drafted..

uh oh. I'm concerned for your safety.

 

[PatsWSB47]

BB is a great coach and he and Brady made the perfect storm. That BB drafted Brady is a very small feather in his cap. It's feather but a very small one. He had to be talked into taking him at 199 by **** Rehbein. After he got here he gets credit for keeping him as the 4th quarteback and recognizing he had something. Another coach on another team might not have.

 

[Real fan 02]

uh oh. I'm concerned for your safety.

Lol

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Context is important in regards to judging bb without brady. Bb’s bad years (2000, 2020,2022) without tom mostly happened to be in rebuilding seasons . 2022 should have been better yes but it was mainly because of a mistake thats now been fixed. Id give it another year or 2 before killing bb without brady. When brady missed time on teams that were actually built up over time bb went 11-5 and 3-1, and 2.5 games were with a 3rd stringer . Im not saying hed still have 6 sbs, he wouldn’t, but id guess that hed still have a heck of a resume.

This is like the people that bring up manning being 3-1 against tom in conference championships. These were 3 of tom’s worst teams that made the afcc and 3 of mannings best. If they met in the afcc in 2007, 2014, 2003, and 2004 Brady would be 4-0. Same way that if brady happened to not be here in 2007, 2003, 2004, all of 2016 ., etc bb’s record without him would be way better.

 

[The Trickster]

BB is a great coach and he and Brady made the perfect storm. That BB drafted Brady is a very small feather in his cap. It's feather but a very small one. He had to be talked into taking him at 199 by **** Rehbein. After he got here he gets credit for keeping him as the 4th quarteback and recognizing he had something. Another coach on another team might not have.

Maybe he didn't draft him earlier because he already had a plethora of QB's including a 1st overall on the team.

 

[PatsWSB47]

Maybe he didn't draft him earlier because he already had a plethora of QB's including a 1st overall on the team.

A quarterback wasn't much on Belichick's radar obviously. I just think that he drafted him only looks good on his resume in hindsight.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Context is important in regards to judging bb without brady.

His detractors do not care about context.

Bb’s bad years (2000, 2020,2022) without tom mostly happened to be in rebuilding seasons . 2022 should have been better yes but it was mainly because of a mistake thats now been fixed. Id give it another year or 2 before killing bb without brady. When brady missed time on teams that were actually built up over time bb went 11-5 and 3-1, and 2.5 games were with a 3rd stringer . Im not saying hed still have 6 sbs, he wouldn’t, but id guess that hed still have a heck of a resume.

This is like the people that bring up manning being 3-1 against tom in conference championships. These were 3 of tom’s worst teams that made the afcc and 3 of mannings best. If they met in the afcc in 2007, 2014, 2003, and 2004 Brady would be 4-0. Same way that if brady happened to not be here in 2007, 2003, 2004, all of 2016 ., etc bb’s record without him would be way better.

In 1991 BB inherited a 3-13 Browns team and without the benefit of FA his first 2 yeas and an owner with deep pockets (and sanity), he got them to 11-5 and the playoffs 3 years later which IMO is a pretty good achievement. Things might have gone differently in 1995 had the owner not f__cked the team culture by announcing the move to BAL in the middle of the season.

In 2000 he inherited a 5-11 NEP team with cap problems and an overpaid, underperforming and imbalanced roster. In 2001 he made a whole bunch a FA acquisitions, started the QB he felt was best for the team and won the SB with great defense and special teams and just enough offense.

In 2008 he went 11-5 without the GOAT QB, a true shutdown CB and an aging defense with a horrible pass defense.

In 2020 he cleaned up the cap. Rebuilding again.

In 2021 they drafted a QB who went to the Pro Bowl and they were back in the playoffs.

IMO 2022 was really the only year BB can look in the mirror and truly blame coaching for their horrible year.

2015 injuries did them in. We can argue all day about the MIA game. They were protecting Tom b/c the line sucked. No JE and the throws to Gronk were protecting him as the 2 catches on 7 targets indicates.

I blame 2006 on BB the GM. Being a penny wise and a pound foolish re: Deion was the difference between them and the Dolts.

 

[Ring 6]

What do you call 0 division titles and 2 postseason appearances in 10 years?

Who is that?

 

[Ring 6]

if that is what you call mediocre, then without Tom Brady, Bill Belichick is downright garbage

So in other words if you remove the greatest run in history from a coaches record, it changes your view? Guess what, you can’t remove it, he accomplished it.

 

[Ring 6]

according to this logic BB is not a goat coachBelichick

How do you figure that?
Belichick has 6 rings. Belichick has 19 playoff appearances and 31 playoff wins in 28 years.
“This logic” is RESULTS. And of course Belichick is the GOAT

 

[TheRainMaker]

Bill has become just an average Coach scrambling to find ways to win just like every other Coach did during that 20 year run with his cheat code #12. He's currently a .500 Coach who can beat up on bad teams, but gets overmatched by the better teams going 10-20 against teams .500 or better since 2020. The formula for every Coach is you need the QB.

Now Andy Reid is that guy going to 5 straight AFCCG's, 3 Super Bowl appearances and 2 Super Bowl wins in 4 years with his cheat code at QB.