Game Day Thread Official Post Game Thread- Bears beat the Pats

[PatsFanSince74]

Other than KC and Buffalo the rest of the AFC has major question marks. So yes the Pats are still in it. They must win next game though no excuses

Yeah. I guess it's pretty much a given that if you're in last place in your division at 3--4 coming up on the half way point in the season and you're playing a 5--2 division opponent (even the Jetes) you probably have to win that game.

 

[captain stone]

BB talking about Jake Bailey's wonderful performance last night like only he can. I'm not sure if the beat reporter expected BB to go into details, but as one might expect, BB did not disappoint and gave the reporter the exact in-depth answer that he was looking for:

Well he's not wrong... And neither were some of us regarding our "pro-bowl"(snicker) Punter.

 

[raduray]

Fields threw for 179 yards on 13 for 21..with an INT and 4 sacks,,,and the Pats get blown out of their own building?...HUH?

That would have been admirable had we been able to stop the run.

 

[raduray]

Commit to Zappe, trade Wynn, trade Agholor, trade Mac in the off-season. Use your cap next year to build around Zappe and see what you can make happen.

No idea what the outcome of that would be but it’s one approach you could take.

Who drafted Wynn? Who resigned Wynn for $10M this off season? Who signed Agholor as a FA? Who drafted Mac? As far as I'm concerned, Bill's busts on personnel outweigh his wins. Time for a personnel guy.

 

[VrabelJr]

Who drafted Wynn? Who resigned Wynn for $10M this off season? Who signed Agholor as a FA? Who drafted Mac? As far as I'm concerned, Bill's busts on personnel outweigh his wins. Time for a personnel guy.

Extending Wynn was our only option at the time. All of the LT/RTs we'd want went to contenders.

 

[Thelonious]

Remarkable level of handwringing and panty-twisting on the talk shows today. Even Gresh and Keefe, usually solid, are in a tizzy. Curran has lost his mind, and his perspective. We have a qb competition: it ain't the end of the world. I suspect the fact we had such a ridiculously stable qb situation for two decades has made us too squeamish. Was the manner in which Mac was pulled awfully harsh? Arguably, but we may as well find out sooner rather than later whether Mac is just too soft to stand up to the bumps and bruises, the stress, the need to keep it together under duress, on and OFF the field, which just come with the job. Secondarily, but also importantly, let's find out just what sort of ceiling Zappe has. I suspect Mac will be the starter in the end, frankly, but he sure as heck hasn't earned that status based on this year's dismal showing. I'd start Zappe against the Jets: no question. To this point - if you look at the facts and quit the worrying abouyt Mac's emotional state - there is no question Zappe is winning the competition.

 

[archstanton543]

Well he's not wrong... And neither were some of us regarding our "pro-bowl"(snicker) Punter.

All-pro.

 

[archstanton543]

Extending Wynn was our only option at the time. All of the LT/RTs we'd want went to contenders.

There's this thing called the Draft...

 

[upstater1]

Who drafted Wynn? Who resigned Wynn for $10M this off season? Who signed Agholor as a FA? Who drafted Mac? As far as I'm concerned, Bill's busts on personnel outweigh his wins. Time for a personnel guy.

Judon is a good player. So is Mills. Agholor's average was $10m. And it was for 2 years. Go have a look at what even worse WRs signed for last year.

 

[upstater1]

There's this thing called the Draft...

6 OTs went before our pick at #21. The next ones were taken 2 rounds later. A couple of them in that 3rd round are getting their QBs killed right now (like Parham)

 

[TheRainMaker]

What was up with the delayed snaps last night? Andrews seemed off by a split second. QB calls for the ball and T's would start a split second before Andrews would snap it.

I see this with Jimmy G in SF a lot as he gets engulfed in the pocket as the snap is so slow getting to him.

 

[zydecochris]

No one was complaining about the coaching last week.

The issues are clear.

1. Mac is still hurt and struggling with this offense.
2. The team has a serious talent issue at LB and other areas

About no complaints about the coaching last week, to the contrary there were scores of news articles about how genius BB "has done it again" with the 2022 draft and the strong play of the Pats in the last couple of games (before last night). I feel like I'm getting whiplash after the changed narrative after one game.

1. Obviously Mac is still hurt as you say, the recovery time for a high ankle sprain is 6-8 weeks and it's only been 3 weeks (EDIT: evidently I can't count, it has been 4 weeks, not 3). It is admirable that Mac has tried to play through injury after being beat up so much (especially last year), but this time the coaches should have kept him on the bench until he was more recovered.

And if I can add my own:
3.) It doesn't happen often, but the Pats got thoroughly out-coached. For one thing, the coaching staff didn't have the team ready to play, they evidently had already mentally checked off a win. And, on the Bears coaching side, from what I read in a Chicago news article about the game, the the Bears have never had so many designed QB runs for Fields before, and I think that wrinkle surprised and flummoxed the Pats and their run defense went down the drain. That error was really on the Pats coaches, having a bunch of designed runs for Fields may not be a sustainable long term strategy (just look at what happened to Cam Newton after years of repeated big hits on his designed runs) but Fields was super effective running the ball at Ohio State and the Pats coaches should have been ready for some new wrinkles on a Monday night football stage where BB was about to overtake Halas for career wins.

 

[raduray]

LBs and tackles can be found inFA and the draft.
This is not a hugely difficult thing to improve

Yet our personnel guy has failed to do so, several years running. Maybe time for a real GM.

 

[RobertWeathers]

About no complaints about the coaching last week, to the contrary there were scores of news articles about how genius BB "has done it again" with the 2022 draft and the strong play of the Pats in the last couple of games (before last night). I feel like I'm getting whiplash after the changed narrative after one game.

1. Obviously Mac is still hurt as you say, the recovery time for a high ankle sprain is 6-8 weeks and it's only been 3 weeks. It is admirable that Mac has tried to play through injury after being beat up so much (especially last year), but this time the coaches should have kept him on the bench until he was more recovered.

And if I can add my own:
3.) It doesn't happen often, but the Pats got thoroughly out-coached. For one thing, the coaching staff didn't have the team ready to play, they evidently had already mentally checked off a win. And, on the Bears coaching side, from what I read in a Chicago news article about the game, the the Bears have never had so many designed QB runs for Fields before, and I think that wrinkle surprised and flummoxed the Pats and their run defense went down the drain. That error was really on the Pats coaches, having a bunch of designed runs for Fields may not be a sustainable long term strategy (just look at what happened to Cam Newton after years of repeated big hits on his designed runs) but Fields was super effective running the ball at Ohio State and the Pats coaches should have been ready for some new wrinkles on a Monday night football stage where BB was about to overtake Halas for career wins.

Running QBs get their yards against everyone. It is what it is.

What cannot be tolerated is how disorganized and slow we are when trying to stop it.

 

[VrabelJr]

There's this thing called the Draft...

That sounds nice and all but who would you have drafted and at which spot?

 

[Triumph]

Zappe came in with the team down by two scores and got them the lead (14-10). Then the Pats D allowed this in the next 5 drives (23 pts):
TD
FG
FG
FG
TD
Game Over.

The TOP was lopsided with NE stalled out drives. The Bears basically had the ball for 37 minutes and NE 23 minutes. 1 whole additional quarter. NE was 5 for 10 on 3rd down and 0 for 1 on 4th down.

Chicago shut down the NE running game and forced Zap to beat them. The Bears figured him out at halftime.

The NE Defense and Run game was MIA. The game was determined by who the better QB was.

What's good for Mac is good for Zappe. Zap did not deliver last night and looked 3rd string. Zaps next game will say a lot.

 

[upstater1]

Yet our personnel guy has failed to do so, several years running. Maybe time for a real GM.

Cole Strange, Tyquan Thornton, Marcus Jones, Jack Jones, Bailey Zappe

These are all good players.

In a universe of unlimited draft picks, maybe we'd have more picks to fill more positions, but that's not the real world.

If you think this was a poor draft, we're not going to have much agreement. I will say however that defensive backfield was a huge area of need after JC Jackson left, much more so than tackle, and Belichick addressed it. We also grabbed a potentially explosive WR who has already shown he runs great routes, can get off the line, and so far he's shown he has great hands.

 

[raduray]

Wait for the raves about the throw to Meyers, next.

It was within Meyers' catch radius. Barely.

 

[archstanton543]

That sounds nice and all but who would you have drafted and at which spot?

Don't know. I don't follow college football or the Draft. I leave that up to NFL coaches and scouts and the super hard core fans.

 

[TheRainMaker]

While I do agree with posters regarding how Bill has mismanaged things (personnel, coaches, etc.), why does the board only go crazy when there's a loss?