Brady: I wouldn't have had the success I've had without Bill

[BTTA]

I disagree. BB carried Brady as a fourth QB. He recognized something. It was only a matter of time before he benched Bledsoe. Moe just expedited the decision.

And very, very few coaches would have had the guts to follow their instincts and keep Bledsoe on the bench. Not many coaches would have the guts to even allow themselves to notice that the unheralded kid was a better QB than the highly paid star.

If he got drafted by almost any other coach, Brady may not have had a chance to start an NFL game for four or five years.

 

[farn]

I miss Bill and Brady. Truly a magical duo and seeing them contemplate with one another on the sideline encouraged so much confidence as a fan, and I imagine was terrifying for anyone else who wasn't a Patriot or a fan.

I truly miss the dynamic. I'm 28, that duo literally engulfed a majority of my life and defined my perception of football. Couldn't be a luckier fan, honestly. I witnessed a rare form of greatness.

I’m 47. There was a time before BB and before Brady. It was mostly a horrendous wasteland of despair. I don’t miss BB-Brady. I’m thankful it existed at all and amazed it lasted so long.

Lots of posters are being irrational. The evidence suggests that neither would’ve enjoyed the same success on their own, but given a proper chance, both can be winners. Fans using the « Bill can’t win w/o Brady » are saying that after two decades of unprecedented success, a team cannot reset for the future w/o facing wrath and scorn. 100% of coaches in the league not named BB have had to restructure their entire organization after a few years of success.

 

[Pats1971]

And very, very few coaches would have had the guts to follow their instincts and keep Bledsoe on the bench. Not many coaches would have the guts to even allow themselves to notice that the unheralded kid was a better QB than the highly paid star.

If he got drafted by almost any other coach, Brady may not have had a chance to start an NFL game for four or five years.

It was not some genius move man. Hey look we are losing with Bledsoe and when I put Brady in we started winning. Yeah that is not brain surgery. Brady had one chance to make it. If he struggled and did not start winning, he would have went back to the bench. Bill would not even have drafted Brady had it not been for **** Rehbein, and then when Brady got there, he worked his ass off to be what he was. Nobody handed him anything.

 

[Pats1971]

I’m 47. There was a time before BB and before Brady. It was mostly a horrendous wasteland of despair. I don’t miss BB-Brady. I’m thankful it existed at all and amazed it lasted so long.

Lots of posters are being irrational. The evidence suggests that neither would’ve enjoyed the same success on their own, but given a proper chance, both can be winners. Fans using the « Bill can’t win w/o Brady » are saying that after two decades of unprecedented success, a team cannot reset for the future w/o facing wrath and scorn. 100% of coaches in the league not named BB have had to restructure their entire organization after a few years of success.

Well there is no evidence that says neither would have had success so I am not sure where you are getting that. Whate evidence?

 

[farn]

Well there is no evidence that says neither would have had success so I am not sure where you are getting that. Whate evidence?

League history. Unless you also believe Montana, Aikman, Bradshaw were also winning as many SBs w/o head coaching. How many QBs have multiple rings while starting with substandard coaches ? How many QBs have multiple rings with HoF coaches ?

 

[Pats1971]

League history. Unless you also believe Montana, Aikman, Bradshaw were also winning as many SBs w/o head coaching. How many QBs have multiple rings while starting with substandard coaches ? How many QBs have multiple rings with HoF coaches ?

Belichick had a losing record and was just fired as a coach when Brady arrived. Brady didnt go to a coach with 6 superbowls and the most wins through 2 decades. Like I said, there is no evidence what either would have been. Things changed for Belichick as a head coach when Brady became the QB. If Brady had not become the QB, it was not trending that he even would have been at NE that long. He was 5-13 to that point.

 

[Tony2046]

It was not some genius move man. Hey look we are losing with Bledsoe and when I put Brady in we started winning. Yeah that is not brain surgery. Brady had one chance to make it. If he struggled and did not start winning, he would have went back to the bench. Bill would not even have drafted Brady had it not been for **** Rehbein, and then when Brady got there, he worked his ass off to be what he was. Nobody handed him anything.

Why did he carry Brady as a fourth QB?

 

[farn]

Belichick had a losing record and was just fired as a coach when Brady arrived. Brady didnt go to a coach with 6 superbowls and the most wins through 2 decades. Like I said, there is no evidence what either would have been. Things changed for Belichick as a head coach when Brady became the QB. If Brady had not become the QB, it was not trending that he even would have been at NE that long. He was 5-13 to that point.

We’ll have to agree to disagree. The David, while sculpted by a master, was made of marble, not manure. While there were imperfections to that marble that a great artist could work around - it was still marble.

BB was given manure in both Cleveland and NE. Had Cleveland stuck to him (and not moved - uprooting the entire building process), things would’ve been different. He had started to build something there.

He also got NE on its way as well. obv. But many posters feel Brady was the Atlas holding up the entire world.

 

[sb1]

Belichick would likely be out of the league now as a HC if he didn’t have Brady. Bill being Bill is fine when you’re winning not so much when you aren’t.

Thats the real reason why the Browns didn’t retain him. Bill wasn’t endeared by anyone there.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Belichick would likely be out of the league now as a HC if he didn’t have Brady. Bill being Bill is fine when you’re winning not so much when you aren’t.

Thats the real reason why the Browns didn’t retain him. Bill wasn’t endeared by anyone there.

Belichick is a great coach/GM and would have been very successful without Brady.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Belichick would likely be out of the league now as a HC if he didn’t have Brady. Bill being Bill is fine when you’re winning not so much when you aren’t.

Thats the real reason why the Browns didn’t retain him. Bill wasn’t endeared by anyone there.

Again, enough with the "Belichik sucks without Brady" crap...if you and others don't like Bill, you should move on to another team. Bill is likely to be here for a while.

 

[sb1]

Belichick is a great coach/GM and would have been very successful without Brady.

The reason why I say that is Im not doubting he is a great coach but his temperament and the way he deals with people in the org and the media. Playing the political game. That’s what got him run from Cleveland not his W-L record. They never forgave him for Kosar and Bill didn’t care about that. The media despised him and they kind of do here too.

Say he was hired by someone like Jerruh. No way he lasts long if Bill is Bill and they don’t win.

We also know now how Kraft felt about him. That doesn’t bode well for a long career in NE if he didn’t start winning soon.

 

[Tottie]

Belichick is a great coach/GM and would have been very successful without Brady.

I agree with the first part and luckily for all of us we will find out on the second part if he indeed goes into his 70s.

 

[amfootball]

Belichick is a great coach/GM and would have been very successful without Brady.

Define "very successful"

 

[sb1]

Again, enough with the "Belichik sucks without Brady" crap...if you and others don't like Bill, you should move on to another team. Bill is likely to be here for a while.

?

Who says I don’t like Bill?

 

[farn]

Belichick would likely be out of the league now as a HC if he didn’t have Brady. Bill being Bill is fine when you’re winning not so much when you aren’t.

Thats the real reason why the Browns didn’t retain him. Bill wasn’t endeared by anyone there.

Mostly because people (billionaire owners VERY much included) are whiny babies who fall apart when faced with a no-nonsense personality.

While the babies cry because they want ANSWERS to every mundane, stupid question, not everyone cares about that. Example : me. I don’t feel like I DESERVE cliché BS from the HC of the team I root for. I want to watch wins. And BB brings you that. I choose to believe BB would’ve turned things around in Cleveland if given the chance.

Endeared is such BS. He’s not our babysitter. He is just there to win as many football games as possible. Which is why I love me some BB.

 

[venecol]

Again, enough with the "Belichik sucks without Brady" crap...if you and others don't like Bill, you should move on to another team. Bill is likely to be here for a while.

This is a football forum. As long as people are discussing football, who are you to dictate what people choose to believe and discuss. Maybe you should leave since you follow the Washington Nationals, Capitals, Wizards and DC United.

Nobody listens to you anyway so fv&k the fv&k off assh0!e

 

[RobertWeathers]

The reason why I say that is Im not doubting he is a great coach but his temperament and the way he deals with people in the org and the media.

What is his temperament? How does he deal with people in the org? Are you asking Scott Pioli or Bobby Grier?

Playing the political game.

What does that mean?

That’s what got him run from Cleveland not his W-L record. They never forgave him for Kosar and Bill didn’t care about that. The media despised him and they kind of do here too.

Bill isn't a PR savant. Big f-ing deal. Art Modell was one of the worst owners in professional sports. Do you agree?

Say he was hired by someone like Jerruh. No way he lasts long if Bill is Bill and they don’t win.

Win what? Super Bowls or regular season. You mean like Jason Garrett or Dave Campo?

We also know now how Kraft felt about him. That doesn’t bode well for a long career in NE if he didn’t start winning soon.

How did Kraft feel about him?

 

[RobertWeathers]

Define "very successful"

It means he wins and has a long career.

How do you define successful?

 

[Pape]

Belichick had a losing record and was just fired as a coach when Brady arrived. Brady didnt go to a coach with 6 superbowls and the most wins through 2 decades. Like I said, there is no evidence what either would have been. Things changed for Belichick as a head coach when Brady became the QB. If Brady had not become the QB, it was not trending that he even would have been at NE that long. He was 5-13 to that point.

technically, he had just resigned as a head coach when he drafted brady... there was a four year gap (spent 1 yr with the pats, 3 with the jete with Parcells) between him getting fired by a nameless team and him getting hired here...